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angelito
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posted March 30, 2006 03:27 PM |
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....And why do you persist in trying to make me change my mind and persist in trying to prove that I am wrong about the Titans?
Because u mention your beloved Titans in 9 out of 10 of your posts maybe?
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Evil_Warrior
Famous Hero
Duke of Demon
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posted March 30, 2006 03:58 PM |
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LOL
You (william) should pay more attention in other creatures especially that have nearly same power or even more power.
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Meph
Adventuring Hero
Rampaging Rampart
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posted March 30, 2006 04:38 PM |
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It gets boring. I have Mephala as my favorite hero, but I don't mention her everywhere because I KNOW she isn't the best around. It'd be the same.
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william
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Undefeatable Hero
LummoxLewis
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posted March 31, 2006 09:16 AM |
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Ok everyone I will stop mentioning my fav heroes and creatures every second post.
If you like I could put my fav creature the Titan in my signature, I already have it as one, but would you all like me to include my signature with the posts I make instead of posting a post that has 'I love Titans' in it?
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Solmyr77
Hired Hero
noob
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posted June 11, 2006 06:56 PM |
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1.Read 100 posts before you make one.
2.Make that one post in one thread.
3.Using Armageddon isn't really a mentionable tactics, it definitely doesn't belong into Frank's thread. It's just a cheap way to win when there is no counter art and pointless when there is such an art. And it is by no means reliable, you'll get Arma in about every 10th Dungeon town.
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God2
Adventuring Hero
Your benevolent deity
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posted June 11, 2006 08:23 PM |
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I feel like I have been answering to at least 393 topics like this one recently. Now well, here goes..
I consider Hydra and Behemots to be the best level 7 creatures. The reason is that you can get them both in week 1 without a problem. At least on 130%.
I consider the Titan to be one of the worst, because it is probably the most difficult to get to of all level 7 units.
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armchairknight
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posted June 12, 2006 12:40 AM |
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I personally feel that the Black Dragon is the most fun to play and is therefore the best level 7 unit in HoMM3, though I must admit that the Arch Angel and Titan also play well for me. I'm not sure why so many people go on about speed in recruiting. In my experience speed is very useful, but on bigger maps (my preferred map size is XL) recruiting speed is reduced in importance. I'm looking at this question of prominence without consideration of map size, hero, artifact, or spell, or even accompanying units. I've only rarely played with Ancients, but I've often played against them. It may just be that I'm better than my human opponent, but the Stroghold troops tend to do poorly against my troops (usually Castle or Dungeon, but I play most city types). On smaller maps they are truly a force to fear, of course. Chaos Hydras have been fun for me, but they take a little more work for me to use properly. All in all, in my opinion, no level 7 troop can be considered weak. It just comes down to fit. What works best with our style of play. Good topic.
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william
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LummoxLewis
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posted June 12, 2006 01:21 AM |
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ArchAngels and Titans are some of the best units in the game, they both beat Blackies in power, strength and speed although Titans are not as fast, but they deal way more damage and they have better attack and defense skills I think, but ArchAngels and Titans will both beat Blackies easily.
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armchairknight
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posted June 12, 2006 03:44 AM |
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Your mileage may vary, but while I must admit that Titans have been known to give me fits, they haven't killed my Black Dragons easily. What has this to do with Titans or any other unit being best? Titans are cool. Ancients are cool. So are Black Dragons and Arch Angels. I thought this was a discussion of the relative merit of troop types, not a squabble over 'my favorite troops can kill your favorite troops'. A moot discussion since tactical competence and strategic ability are more important to the outcome of the game than the actual units used. A skilled player can win with a variety of troop types.
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william
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LummoxLewis
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posted June 12, 2006 05:37 AM |
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A skilled player can also win with just one type of unit, so whats your point?
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God2
Adventuring Hero
Your benevolent deity
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posted June 12, 2006 06:10 AM |
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ArchAngels and Titans are some of the best units in the game, they both beat Blackies in power, strength and speed although Titans are not as fast, but they deal way more damage and they have better attack and defense skills I think, but ArchAngels and Titans will both beat Blackies easily.
You say this over and over again, yet this is not the truth. I have already posted test results as well as calculations before showing that both Black Dragons and Archangels will defeat Titans as long as they get to move first, which they will. On top of that, Titans cost 1000 gold more.
Also, the info you have posted is wrong. Titans have less attack and defence than Black Dragons and Archangels.
I do not think you should go around claiming stuff like "Titans will beat Black Dragons easily" without sound proof, at least not in the library of enlightment where people are looking for advice.
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william
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LummoxLewis
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posted June 12, 2006 06:14 AM |
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And I dont think you should go around telling people they are seriously wrong without proof.
You may not even get what I am saying mate.
Titans dont cost 1000 more, ArchAngels cost the same, actually they cost more, because they cost 3 gems or something i think or i may be wrong or something lol.
Blackies are not as powerful as Titans, they may be faster but their damage doesnt equal that of the Titans, and Titans have the most damage in the game.
And look God2, I have also done my calculations so stop saying I am wrong with everything, because im right with this mate. 
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God2
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posted June 12, 2006 06:24 AM |
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Edited by God2 at 06:29, 12 Jun 2006.
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I did not post anything that was incorrect. Titans cost 1000 more than Black Dragons.
Also, Titans do deal good damage, no doubt. But their attack skill is lower than that of other level 7 creature, making them closer to the Titans in power than you seem to think. For instance, Gold Dragons will deal more damage to Titans than Titans will deal to Gold Dragons.
Black Dragon average damage vs Titans: 70,875 (due to hatred)
Gold Dragon average damage vs Titans: 51,75
Titan average damage versus black dragons: 73,125 (due to hatred)
Titan average damage versus gold dragons: 46,25
These are the calculations. As you can see, the damage is very close.
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armchairknight
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posted June 12, 2006 07:35 AM |
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A skilled player can also win with just one type of unit, so whats your point?
Actually, that's what I said. The point was simply that. You've made claims that my experiences can't fathom. Real game experience wherein Titans, for whatever reason, didn't dominate the game. Go figure. It seems to me that you're looking for an argument. Instead of discussing (which requires all parties to listen as well as to speak - or type, in this case) the finer points of percieved unit supremacy, it looks to me that you're more interested in making your assertions (some of them rather of a dubious nature) and attacking the opinions of others. So far you haven't seemed to find much to agree with or to question further in any attempt to understand the differing opinions of those who've contributed to this thread. Why not? Every player's opinion is informed by their game experience. It might be worth your time to find out why they think the way they do instead of pushing your opinions down their throats. I don't mean this as a personal attack. For me it's not personal. This is just an observation. Since you seem very fond of Titans, maybe you could tell me why? They are a great unit, in my opinion, but why do you like them. I'm not really interested in further comments about how much damage you figure they do, just what makes you like 'em. If you don't mind. I'd really like to know.
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william
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LummoxLewis
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posted June 12, 2006 07:42 AM |
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Im not looking for an argument at all mate, dont assume these things.
You dont know me at all, and ifyou did then you would see that I dont look for arguments all the time, so I think you should perhaps watch what you say, because someone may take it the wrong way.
Thats some advice for you
Now back to the topic.
Titans, although they may not be the fastest, will most likely dominate the game.
They cost the most, well nearly the most because they are one of the best creatures.
Ancient Behemoths are good, but the Stronghold depeneds on them solely, so if they get wiped out then your Stronghold army is dead.
Same for the Fortress, solely on the Hydra, if they gothen your most likely to go aswell.
Getting the Stronghold and Fortress level 7 creatures really early on is good, because you can wipe out most of the map really early on, you because of this, if the map is small and your opponent is trying to get ArchAngels or Titans then they may get killed because they dont have the money or the resources so early in the game, whereas for Stronhold and Fortress you can buy the level 7 units week1, and you will probably have to wait maybe a month before you can buy your Titans or ArchAngels.
I like Titans but sometimes they are annoying because of the price of them.
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armchairknight
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posted June 12, 2006 07:50 AM |
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Im not looking for an argument at all mate, dont assume these things.
>No assumption, mate, just an observation.
You dont know me at all, and ifyou did then you would see that I dont look for arguments all the time, so I think you should perhaps watch what you say, because someone may take it the wrong way.
Thats some advice for you
>Thank you.
Now back to the topic.
Titans, although they may not be the fastest, will most likely dominate the game.
>Really? What maps do you find this to be true for?
They cost the most, well nearly the most because they are one of the best creatures.
>One of? I thought you said they were the best?
Ancient Behemoths are good, but the Stronghold depeneds on them solely, so if they get wiped out then your Stronghold army is dead.
Same for the Fortress, solely on the Hydra, if they gothen your most likely to go aswell.
Getting the Stronghold and Fortress level 7 creatures really early on is good, because you can wipe out most of the map really early on, you because of this, if the map is small and your opponent is trying to get ArchAngels or Titans then they may get killed because they dont have the money or the resources so early in the game, whereas for Stronhold and Fortress you can buy the level 7 units week1, and you will probably have to wait maybe a month before you can buy your Titans or ArchAngels.
>Interesting, but I see nothing about your love of Titans here.
I like Titans but sometimes they are annoying because of the price of them.
That's it? Oh. Well sorry for pestering you. I just thought you might have more. Thanks anyway.
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william
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LummoxLewis
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posted June 12, 2006 07:53 AM |
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If your looking for an argument then this isnt the place to come to.
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armchairknight
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posted June 12, 2006 08:02 AM |
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Good thing I'm not then eh?
Staying on topic, I'd like to say that Titans are cool for me because they are range attack specialists. Most of my range units are eh you know? But Titans have oomph! I only play Tower once in a while though, because Tower is so dang expensive. Dungeon is less expensive and the Black Dragons are explosive and not too costly. Not to mention they fly and are immune to magic. Yeah!
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greek_god_su...
Famous Hero
Bringer Of Light
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posted June 12, 2006 11:42 AM |
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Ancient Behemoths are good, but the Stronghold depeneds on them solely, so if they get wiped out then your Stronghold army is dead.
Same for the Fortress, solely on the Hydra, if they gothen your most likely to go aswell.
You see, titans are so poor they canīt even win a battle if there werenīt some arch mages around giving help. Behemoths and hydras do all the dirty jobs themselves, they donīt need any help.
(These arguments based purely on the quoted statements, does not by any means include my personal opinions)
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william
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Undefeatable Hero
LummoxLewis
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posted October 28, 2006 12:31 PM |
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Edited by william at 01:41, 29 Oct 2006.
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I nearly forgot about this thread here at HC, but I have made some charts which may tell you some data about some of the units.
Enjoy 
With that chart, the Black Dragon may not appear, because the min to max damage is the same as the Gold Dragon so yeah just if you are wondering
That is all for now, but by some of these you may be able to see the comparisons between every Level 7 unit in this game, the Conflux Lev7 unit not included for the time being.
Now here are some of the Attack and Defense charts of the Upgraded Lev 1, 2 and 3 units, the rest are not finished as of yet so hope you enjoy those
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