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Heroes Community > Heroes 5 - Temple of Ashan > Thread: Heroes 5 Strategy: Playing Sylvan Faction
Thread: Heroes 5 Strategy: Playing Sylvan Faction [ This thread is 28 pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 (10) 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 ]
Lesij
Lesij


Famous Hero
posted March 04, 2008 08:01 AM

I told that Dark magic can do it great already
But you have to be lucky enough to get it...
And what abot the creeping??? O_O
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Fauch
Fauch


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Undefeatable Hero
posted March 04, 2008 10:31 AM

rain of imbued arrows is imba imo (in duel, may be harder to use in a standard game)

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DarkShadow
DarkShadow


Legendary Hero
Cerise Princess
posted March 04, 2008 10:39 AM

rain of meteor arrows

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Fauch
Fauch


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Undefeatable Hero
posted March 04, 2008 10:50 AM

I made a duel hero with rain of arrows imbued with chain lighting, that strikes like every enemy units and war machine, it's not bad.
I have to try it with hive too, or blade barrier, can be fun

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forest001
forest001


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posted March 04, 2008 11:37 AM

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So who is good enough to creep without Ossir O_O ?

How can be Rain of Arrows useful? Isn't it better to use ressurection in spite of shooting some dudes (which, as I said, will be like tickling for great armies)?




osir isn't more effective in creeping than any other sylvan hero.
by time you have 20 elves any sylvan hero can creep those walkers,
but problem is creeping arcanes(generally shooters), and those pesky casters.

and who told you that r-o-a is useful at creeping.
you wont get favored anyway soon so...
but other two perks are great, deadeye shot and imbue + druids (as Elvin said) it's quite nice.
with archers and druids you can blast most things before they can hurt you, but then again not shooters and casters which are true pain for sylvan.

and resurrection isn't so good in endgame anyway. haste might and endurance are good ones and of course imba vengance

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Elvin
Elvin

Hero of Order
Stillness within Movement
posted March 04, 2008 11:48 AM

Actually resurrection boosted through high druids and having pristine unicorns is pretty damn effective. Not too hard to get about 30 spellpower and it resurrects two stacks this way
There was a replay somewhere but not sure where exactly.
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forest001
forest001


Known Hero
posted March 04, 2008 11:53 AM
Edited by forest001 at 11:55, 04 Mar 2008.

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Actually resurrection boosted through high druids and having pristine unicorns is pretty damn effective. Not too hard to get about 30 spellpower and it resurrects two stacks this way
There was a replay somewhere but not sure where exactly.


true in this setup it sounds good
but in this case implosion on rain of arrows with druids works fine to

EDIT: but light magic is choice anyway so...

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Lesij
Lesij


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posted March 05, 2008 05:38 AM
Edited by Lesij at 09:20, 05 Mar 2008.

@Forest- I didn't say ROA is useful in creeping (or maybe I made a mistake while writting) anyway I was thinking about dead eye-imbue combo...
About the creeping- it should be instant. Noone would be so effetive as Ossir in those first days, when you need to capture crucial mines cuz noone has so many shooters...
Maybe I'm mistaken, but still I cannot imagine competitive creeping without Sylvan's shotters...
(we are talking about playing on heroic, don't we?
If so, the cost of Elve's dwelling isn't so low- especially if it comes to wood...)

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Fauch
Fauch


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Undefeatable Hero
posted March 05, 2008 07:50 AM

actually shooting an imbued arrows (or a rain of imbued arrows) takes one turn, while casting  double spells with mark of the wizard takes 1.5 turn (the 1st time)

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Thanatos
Thanatos


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posted March 05, 2008 03:30 PM

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Quote:
So who is good enough to creep without Ossir O_O ?

How can be Rain of Arrows useful? Isn't it better to use ressurection in spite of shooting some dudes (which, as I said, will be like tickling for great armies)?




Imbue Arrow with High Druid SP boosting... then start shooting triple or quadruple meteor swarms, implosions or divine vengeances. Or even frenzies or blinds should you be lucky enough to get Dark Magic offered and are able to find a place where you can learn them.


Well, I finally got to try this out in practice... I must say that a triple 21 SP Meteor Swarm is not very healthy for the opposing armies' number of creatures

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Lesij
Lesij


Famous Hero
posted March 05, 2008 03:38 PM

But is it wise to choose both Light and Destr? Or maybe should you pick out just one?
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Thanatos
Thanatos


Known Hero
posted March 05, 2008 03:47 PM

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But is it wise to choose both Light and Destr? Or maybe should you pick out just one?


Don't know, depends on the build I'm planning... If I'm going for a more Magic oriented build I usually like to pick both, if I'm going for Might I pick Light only for the buffing and cleansing. Just Destructive doesn't seem like a wise choice to me though (maybe if you want to try a rush with Meteor + High Druids), after all Sylvan is still Might oriented.

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Lesij
Lesij


Famous Hero
posted March 06, 2008 02:06 AM

But you waste those perks then -_-
I'm thinking of build that would invovle them...
For me the best choice is (XXL maps and bigger ):
Exp. Attack- BF, Nature's wrath, Retribution
Exp. Leader- Recruitment, Battle Commander, Aura of Swiftness
Exp. Luck- Soldier's Luck and that stupis Magic Ressistance (as if I needed it :] ) or Elven Luck and perks needed.
Exp. Logistics- Familira ground and perks or Death March and perks, depends on the map...
Exp. Light- Master of Wrath (sometimes Master of Blessing and Master of Abjuration, depends on map)

This build is quite nice because you can get really abusive with it. If you have been given a haste spell, then with morale boost and this outrageous initiative you can act som many times that your foe would just be paralysed  
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nosfe
nosfe


Adventuring Hero
posted March 06, 2008 03:42 AM

if you wanna play "XXL or larger" then just go for the ultimate and be done with it

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forest001
forest001


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posted March 06, 2008 03:54 AM
Edited by forest001 at 03:57, 06 Mar 2008.

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@Forest- I didn't say ROA is useful in creeping (or maybe I made a mistake while writting) anyway I was thinking about dead eye-imbue combo...
About the creeping- it should be instant. Noone would be so effetive as Ossir in those first days, when you need to capture crucial mines cuz noone has so many shooters...
Maybe I'm mistaken, but still I cannot imagine competitive creeping without Sylvan's shotters...
(we are talking about playing on heroic, don't we?
If so, the cost of Elve's dwelling isn't so low- especially if it comes to wood...)



think about dead eye-imbue combo as an sp boost, it's good for creeps with ranger knowledge you can kill for quite long time.
about creeping with ossir shooters they are good but not so good,
sure those 5 rangers will help against some walkers but walkers ain't problem. and any shooter on heroic will kill your rangers anyway, it's not that much really. creeping with sylvan is always a challenge but late game is the scary part (for the opponent) of sylvan gameplay.
i found druids much more useful in creeping than elves, so i'm not to keen on osir.

@ nosfe: true on xxl ultimate is overkill, but still it's not so easy to gain. but you may try because requirements are quite useful.

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Lesij
Lesij


Famous Hero
posted March 06, 2008 04:56 AM

Anyway, you won't get those drus fast!
You will have to wait till the end of first/ beggining of second week and what's more- you can have problems with resources!
How do you creep without shooters then O_O
Sylvan heroes usually start with some war dancer and a pack of pixies O_O
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Doomforge
Doomforge

Hero of Order
Mayhem Elemental
posted March 06, 2008 06:07 AM

if you can't find a way, ignore them until you can kill them.

On the popular maps, there are many routes you can take. No need to rush into the suicidal creeping when you can't do it yet.


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forest001
forest001


Known Hero
posted March 06, 2008 08:18 AM

Quote:
Anyway, you won't get those drus fast!
You will have to wait till the end of first/ beggining of second week and what's more- you can have problems with resources!
How do you creep without shooters then O_O
Sylvan heroes usually start with some war dancer and a pack of pixies O_O


those SHOOTERS didn't make almost any difference with hard creeps,
they just make thing easer for walkers which aren't problem anyway.

tell me how you creep horde centaurs? do you have lots help from 5 elves? same for horde skelly archer.

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Lesij
Lesij


Famous Hero
posted March 06, 2008 08:53 AM

Let's start from the beggining...
I don't play Sylv very well , because I don't find them very interesting. I was amzed by orcs, but now I;m in old good necropolis which I was angry with some time ago
That's just theoretizing. And if I could I would upgrade my Blades to Winds to fight shooters...
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Fauch
Fauch


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Undefeatable Hero
posted March 06, 2008 11:18 AM

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Anyway, you won't get those drus fast!
You will have to wait till the end of first/ beggining of second week and what's more- you can have problems with resources!
How do you creep without shooters then O_O
Sylvan heroes usually start with some war dancer and a pack of pixies O_O


don't no retaliation and a good initiative help a lot with pixies? even if you have few of them.
and blade dancers don't seem bad. still better than most levels 2 you may start with, no?

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