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well at the moment, we have Age of Empires 2 2.0a
I have not installed the expansion pack, cos then Guitarguy wont be able to play, and anti also has the same version.
I don't think there is a patch for a higher version of the original Age of Empires 2.
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posted July 07, 2007 04:55 AM |
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you dont,u need to hav AOK,if u see me or will on,then we can play me and u too,we varify it in terms of posibiltys.
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posted July 07, 2007 02:14 PM |
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I'd love to play some games with you guys (note the "with" - not against, yes that's right, I'm a terrible loser) but I've never done any multiplayer outside my own house, so I'd need guiding on how to set it all up and everything. I come with a warning though: I may be rubbish...
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posted July 07, 2007 02:19 PM |
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wanna play right now?
go to multiplayer and then do the 3rd option and for the ip type in: 220.237.243.94
hope to see you there 
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posted July 07, 2007 02:27 PM |
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Not right now, it's lunchtime over here in England
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posted July 07, 2007 02:29 PM |
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awwww, ok then.
well i will be off in a game with GG and Anti.
maybe me and you can have a match after that finishes?
or whenever you have time?
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OK, I know this is a double post, but I thought I could share some of my own tips for you all
Resources
Resources are one of the main parts of the game, without them, you can't build units, or make buildings.
In my opinion, one of the most needed resource is Gold.
Here is my opinion on the least needed and the most needed resources:
1) Gold
Gold is needed for most things, researching, units etc etc.
One of the other important things about this game, is building units, and nearly every single unit (if not all units), require gold.
You can get gold from:
-Gold mines
-From Trading (via market)
2) Food
Food is needed for some researching, and nearly all of the units.
Food is also needed to upgrade into either:
Feudal Age
Castle Age
Imperial Age
Food, in my opinion, is the easiest resource to get, simply build farms, but Farms also require wood 
Things where you can get food from are from:
-Forage Bushes
-Farms
-Wild Animals
-From fish in the sea (and also Fish Traps)
3) Wood
Wood is needed for nearly every building type, and is also needed for some units and some researching.
Wood can be taken from cutting down trees.
4) Stone
Stone is needed for a little researching and for some buildings, and I think some units (??).
Stone, in my opinion, is the least needed resource in the game, but it can still help, for example, building walls
You can get stone from Stone mines
With all these resources, you can also get some from Markets, but in order to get some, you have to trade gold for the resource that you want, and in my case, I usually buy Stone or Wood, or sell Food (since I usually have a lot of Food).
Remember, that you should get as much resources as possible, early in the game.
Immediately when starting, build some farms, start cutting down some wood, and get a few villagers to both gold mines and stone mines.
You should concentrate on soldiers a little later (what is the point in wasting resources in building units, when they will probably die anyway.)
You should wait until you have enough resources, mainly a lot of food and gold, and then start building a big army.
Your Army
Your army is probably the main thing that will help you to victory.
Without one, you will suffer some losses (especially on the harder AI difficulties, as the AI starts generating a lot of units pretty early, so you really gotta watch yourself.
Like I said before, you should concentrate on resources first and then build an army.
However, if you are under attack and need to defend yourself, get your villagers to just get food and gold, and leave the wood and stone for now, since defending yourself is one of the main things you have to do to stay alive (obviously  ).
On easier difficulties, you can relax and wait until building an army, since the AI will not generate nearly as much units as harder difficulties.
Defending yourself
Defending yourself, is one of the main things you gotta do in Age of Empires 2.
If you are really worried about getting killed, or worried about getting attacked early, start building stone walls (wooden palisades are useless ).
In my case, I usually build double Walls, just for some extra security, and you will notice the difference it has if you only used one set of walls.
First the enemy has to get through one set of walls, and then they gotta get through another set of walls, and by this time, their siege party will be seriously reduced and you will be able to easily attack them.
The best building to buy to help you when you are defending yourself are Castles.
They are sorta similar to Town Centers when you garrison your troops inside, as the Castle generates a lot of arrows and is also like a Tower, but has more attack, and you do not need to Garrison any troops inside it for the Castle to start raining arrows on the enemies.
Bombard towers, well they are pretty powerful, but they are like Onagers, as they can hurt friendly troops.
I used to build a lot of these, but started realizing they were hurting my own troops, so I abandoned them and starting building Castles instead.
However, one of the drawbacks with Castles is that they require 650 Stone, and in Age of Empires 2, Stone is not the easiest resource to get, probably one of the hardest, but I guess that is due to the fact that you do not usually need too much Stone to win the game 
Walls are nice and easy and quick to build, so if you can, build walls early in the game, to fortify yourself and to be prepared.
heh, well that is all for now, I might include pictures later, to show you exactly what I mean 
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Hey, let the darn newbies read their game manuals!
That is, if there's anybody out there who still doesn't know how to play.
And I'm glad your Resources section didn't simply state: "Just play Deathmatch." 
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You can get gold from:
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You forgot to mention Relics. (Oh yeah, I take all the Relics! )
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Food, in my opinion, is the easiest resource to get, simply build farms, but Farms also require wood
Actually, step-wise, it's much easier to gather wood than build farms. Meh.
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Stone is needed for a little researching and for some buildings, and I think some units (??).
Slingers are from Rise of Rome!
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You should wait until you have enough resources, mainly a lot of food and gold, and then start building a big army.
Waiting too long to train soldiers can be risky. Train a small mob of Archers as soon as possible. Not every game will be Fortress, and having numerous enemy players means early waves of attacks might rock you. The Archers should lure enemies towards your Villager-manned Town Center, and the arrows will fly. When all's well again, resume building and periodically add to your forces.
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(wooden palisades are useless )
O RLY? I beg to differ on that!
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In my case, I usually build double Walls, just for some extra security, and you will notice the difference it has if you only used one set of walls.
Terrific, now the enemy has more targets to hurl boulders at.
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I used to build a lot of these, but started realizing they were hurting my own troops, so I abandoned them and starting building Castles instead.
No wonder I kept getting requests for Stone tribute.
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However, one of the drawbacks with Castles is that they require 650 Stone, and in Age of Empires 2, Stone is not the easiest resource to get, probably one of the hardest, but I guess that is due to the fact that you do not usually need too much Stone to win the game
It's not hard to obtain Stone, but the mines lack in quantity. If your "ally" asks you for too much or if he colonizes your base and steals most of yours, then you'll need to expand and find other mines.
And you should let the noobs know that Castles aren't invincible.
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Waiting too long to train soldiers can be risky. Train a small mob of Archers as soon as possible. Not every game will be Fortress, and having numerous enemy players means early waves of attacks might rock you. The Archers should lure enemies towards your Villager-manned Town Center, and the arrows will fly. When all's well again, resume building and periodically add to your forces.
I think that fortifications should come first, that's just my opinion, because then you will at least be able to defend yourself, and not have much or any villagers die!!
And luring the enemy to your manned town center is a bit silly, I mean, if it is early in the game, and the enemy kill all your troops, and then head for the town center, they might be able to destroy it, especially since you may not have researched murder holes (or is town center excluded from that?).
When your town center is destroyed, and you are not on Castle age, you can kiss that game goodbye
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O RLY? I beg to differ on that!
They are useless in my opinion, because you can just build Stone Walls which offer much more defense for you, and they have much more hit points, and they are very fast and easy to build.
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Terrific, now the enemy has more targets to hurl boulders at.
Would you rather the boulders struck another set of walls, or perhaps even your Town Center or Castle?
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And you should let the noobs know that Castles aren't invincible.
heh
By the way, one thing I forgot to mention is the formation of some of your units.
In my experience, I always find it better to use the "square shaped" formation if you are going to try to take out your enemy base and you are brining some Siege units with you.
Now, as you know (or may not know! ), siege units are very slow, and they can be easily killed by ranged attackers, like Archers, Castles, Towers etc etc.
It is better to protect these units, like in this picture here:
Also, here is an example of my double stone wall technique (this time in better quality!!!  )
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Those walls are waste of time,as they do not do anything,inside of double walls,place guard towers more freqtenly,for each wall 4 wall squars place 1 tower,it will be expensive,but tiwce as effecitve.
Stone is hard to get? why?
Stone is easy to get,ussaly u start with 2 mines of stone gold.
populate em both and by the time u shoiuld buy castles you'd have lots of stone.
Not building army might get you,but consterting more on villages to build economy is better. Focosing less on infentry more on cavalry.
IMO wood is easiest resource,you get it everywere..i dont remmber running out of wood trees..
wood is one of the needed resources,becouse nearly everything requires,and it doesnt lasts
as for plastine,i dont rly use em but i guess what GG means is that there super cheapnessa and quick to build lets u barricade a small towers or so,its effecitve in a way if you can use it,If gg can Kudos!
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Those walls are waste of time,as they do not do anything,inside of double walls,place guard towers more freqtenly,for each wall 4 wall squars place 1 tower,it will be expensive,but tiwce as effecitve.
ha, no they are not a waste of time.
they can save your butt in harder AI modes
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Stone is hard to get? why?
Stone is easy to get,ussaly u start with 2 mines of stone gold.
populate em both and by the time u shoiuld buy castles you'd have lots of stone.
It is harder to get then every other resource, because the stone mines do not have nearly enough stone on them (350, wtf?).
You can't buy many castles with 1 stone mine, that is you might be able to if you do not buy any other things requiring stone.
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Not building army might get you,but consterting more on villages to build economy is better. Focosing less on infentry more on cavalry.
Cavalry are much stronger and faster then Infantry, which I have learned through playing with Guitarguy, and that is why I try to pick civs that are able to get Paladins.
But I agree with this statement you made here 
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IMO wood is easiest resource,you get it everywere..i dont remmber running out of wood trees..
wood is one of the hardest resources,becouse nearly everything requires,and it doesnt lasts
ha, wood is not one of the hardest resources, because not nearly everything requires it.
Gold is more of a harder resource if you ask me, since units require it, and you can't play without units
With every match that I have played online recently, I have found that I always have a lot of wood left over, and usually at the end of the game, I do not have much gold, because imo, gold is a harder resource then wood.
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as for plastine,i dont rly use em but i guess what GG means is that there super cheapnessa and quick to build lets u barricade a small towers or so,its effecitve in a way if you can use it,If gg can Kudos!
They have hardly any hit points, so what is the use of trying to defend yourself with them?
pointless if you ask me.
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ha, no they are not a waste of time.
they can save your butt in harder AI modes
you try what i tell you,and we see what can save you butts against harder AI modes.
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It is harder to get then every other resource, because the stone mines do not have nearly enough stone on them (350, wtf?).
You can't buy many castles with 1 stone mine, that is you might be able to if you do not buy any other things requiring stone.
yeah but having your villeges gethering all of the resources at the very begining would mean that by when you need it that bad,you have lots of it already,re-read my statment
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and that is why I try to pick civs that are able to get Paladins.
Cavaliers are not that much worser then paladins...
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But I agree with this statement you made here
Thenkyou.
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ha, wood is not one of the hardest resources, because not nearly everything requires it.
you avoided reffering to what to my statment said as wood being the easiest not the hardest...
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They have hardly any hit points, so what is the use of trying to defend yourself with them?
pointless if you ask me.
let me describe a situation.
Lets us say that i attack with 10 knights a single tower,but the tower is barricaded with plastine walls.
by the time iget to the tower i'd have half of the knights dead,other half wounded.which means i cant really destory the tower anymore.
Or did GG meant something else?
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posted July 08, 2007 10:05 AM |
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you try what i tell you,and we see what can save you butts against harder AI modes.
lol, my techniques have saved my butt every single game
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yeah but having your villeges gethering all of the resources at the very begining would mean that by when you need it that bad,you have lots of it already,re-read my statment
I dunno what you are trying to say.
Are you saying that more villagers getting resources at the beginning is good?
if so, that is what I was saying in my post
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Cavaliers are not that much worser then paladins...
Doesn't matter, I would rather something stronger, with more hit points and attack...
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you avoided reffering to what to my statment said as wood being the easiest not the hardest...
Well then what exactly did your post say?
I do recall it saying this:
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wood is one of the hardest resources,becouse nearly everything requires,and it doesnt lasts
That was what I was referring to
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let me describe a situation.
Lets us say that i attack with 10 knights a single tower,but the tower is barricaded with plastine walls.
by the time iget to the tower i'd have half of the knights dead,other half wounded.which means i cant really destory the tower anymore.
Or did GG meant something else?
haha, you left out something very important.
You left out the technology "Murder Holes", which makes it so that Towers and Castles do not have a minimum range of attacking, meaning they can fire arrows when the enemy troops are attacking it, particularly handy if those troops attacking are siege units (rams, onagers, etc etc), or if they are infantry units.
And I dunno if you have noticed, but Paladins can easily destroy towers, without getting too much damage, however, you should research the cavalry armour at the Blacksmith
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And luring the enemy to your manned town center is a bit silly, I mean, if it is early in the game, and the enemy kill all your troops, and then head for the town center, they might be able to destroy it, especially since you may not have researched murder holes (or is town center excluded from that?).
Assuming you're not facing 3 or more AI enemies or a human player who's got multiple Barracks and Ranges training troops, chances are their Feudal Age invasion attempts can be routed with your Town Center defenses plus some backup from Archers. If you still have your Scout, use it to lure enemy Archers (who may be shooting at buildings outside of your TC's missle range) to their doom. Of course, the chances of this succeeding is much slimmer if your enemies reach the Castle Age before you do.
Secondly, Wall if you can. Sometimes it's not possible because of resources or lack of enough Villagers to close all the gaps. Or perhaps you're playing as Goths. Then you gotta be creative with detering early enemy invasions.
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They are useless in my opinion, because you can just build Stone Walls which offer much more defense for you, and they have much more hit points, and they are very fast and easy to build.
Heh.
@William's first pic: Heh. If that was a race, that group would come in last place.
@William's second pic: Heh. "Not enough food."
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Cavalry are much stronger and faster then Infantry, which I have learned through playing with Guitarguy, and that is why I try to pick civs that are able to get Paladins.
Heh, got tired of watching your almighty Teutonic Knights lagging way behind my speedy mounted Paladins and Calvary Archers, harbringers of ultimate destruction? I realized the change when I saw some freshly-trained mounted units rush up to grab whatever kills were left.
You learn well.
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With every match that I have played online recently, I have found that I always have a lot of wood left over, and usually at the end of the game, I do not have much gold, because imo, gold is a harder resource then wood.
I can't even begin to describe the frustration I feel when I have less than 100 Wood and this one ally of mine says "have you built your ******* Market yet??!!!1!11!!1!"
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They have hardly any hit points, so what is the use of trying to defend yourself with them?
pointless if you ask me.
Heh.
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lol, my techniques have saved my butt every single game
you stoberness will be the end of you,im offering you far more cheap and effective techniche. you choice eventually.
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I dunno what you are trying to say.
Are you saying that more villagers getting resources at the beginning is good?
if so, that is what I was saying in my post
Im saying that you should have gatheres of every resouces,not just food wood,but stone and gold all together during the dark ages.
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Doesn't matter, I would rather something stronger, with more hit points and attack...
the differnce is very small and unnoticed in battle
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Well then what exactly did your post say?
I do recall it saying this:
HOW IS IT HARDEST lol,so what if it used alot,u also can get it without any difficultie,within a minut you can have lots of wood,but oonly if you reasource the town halls,faster and more resources,and lumber camp's fester wood reasrouches,like i do every game,you can have lots of wood.
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haha, you left out something very important.
no,you did.
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You left out the technology "Murder Holes", which makes it so that Towers and Castles do not have a minimum range of attacking, meaning they can fire arrows when the enemy troops are attacking it, particularly handy if those troops attacking are siege units (rams, onagers, etc etc), or if they are infantry units.
you have pretty much answerd yourself here.
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And I dunno if you have noticed, but Paladins can easily destroy towers, without getting too much damage, however, you should research the cavalry armour at the Blacksmith
if paladins can easily destory towers without getting to much dmg,it proves that murder holes doest really help against that,however,palstien walls can be good thing to buy time as well.
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Assuming you're not facing 3 or more AI enemies or a human player who's got multiple Barracks and Ranges training troops, chances are their Feudal Age invasion attempts can be routed with your Town Center defenses plus some backup from Archers. If you still have your Scout, use it to lure enemy Archers (who may be shooting at buildings outside of your TC's missle range) to their doom. Of course, the chances of this succeeding is much slimmer if your enemies reach the Castle Age before you do.
I find that trying to lure enemies to you, when there is fog of war does not work too well, since the enemy troop/s usually stop following you when you go too fast and this is especially so if you use Cavalry to try to lure enemies
I usually reach Imperial Age very very fast!
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Secondly, Wall if you can. Sometimes it's not possible because of resources or lack of enough Villagers to close all the gaps. Or perhaps you're playing as Goths. Then you gotta be creative with detering early enemy invasions.
Goths are the worst civ in the game
And yes, definitely build walls, and build them early!
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you stoberness will be the end of you,im offering you far more cheap and effective techniche. you choice eventually.
Okay, well my "stubborness" has kept me alive and well every single game.
I don't need your technique (no offense), because I find that mine works exactly how I want it to work
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Im saying that you should have gatheres of every resouces,not just food wood,but stone and gold all together during the dark ages.
Well that can sometimes be a bit hard, especially if you started with low resources.
Gathering every type of resource can be a bit tricky without some good amounts of starting resources.
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HOW IS IT HARDEST lol,so what if it used alot,u also can get it without any difficultie,within a minut you can have lots of wood,but oonly if you reasource the town halls,faster and more resources,and lumber camp's fester wood reasrouches,like i do every game,you can have lots of wood.
No need to shout, because that is what you said, I was only quoting what you said
I don't usually need too much wood (except for farms).
I just need wood for a few things:
-Houses
-Mining and/or Lumber Camps
-Stables
-Market
That is about all I need wood for.
And of course you should research the stuff in lumbercamp to accumlate wood faster lol.
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you have pretty much answerd yourself here.
Hmm, I think you should perhaps reread your post and then reread my post, so you get a better explanation to what I was saying
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if paladins can easily destory towers without getting to much dmg,it proves that murder holes doest really help against that,however,palstien walls can be good thing to buy time as well.
Reread my post
Palisade walls are pretty useless, just my opinion.
You can buy stone walls for hardly any stone, and they offer you much more defense and the hit points are much more.
Think about it
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GGuy: "Heh, got tired of watching your almighty Teutonic Knights lagging way behind my speedy mounted Paladins and Calvary Archers, harbringers of ultimate destruction? I realized the change when I saw some freshly-trained mounted units rush up to grab whatever kills were left.
You learn well."
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Heh, sweet.
Palisades have helped me several times in subtler ways.
Using stone walls instead would be wasteful.
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Goths are the worst civ in the game
And yes, definitely build walls, and build them early!
no way.lol there UU are very practicly unbeatbull against archers,and thre Ureaserche allows them to be build in barracks.
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I don't need your technique (no offense), because I find that mine works exactly how I want it to work
ok,but i think im right,and i think gg wil lagree withme
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Well that can sometimes be a bit hard, especially if you started with low resources.
Gathering every type of resource can be a bit tricky without some good amounts of starting resources.
why? all you need is wood,but you need to build farms right away,finish the forage bushes first,cut the closest woods,and build camps everywere youneed.i always do it,so i dont fortificate,or build lots of trops right away,but it helps.
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hehe, okay, you want an answer, I will give you an answer
Yes, I got tired of them being so slow.
I want something that is fast, but still deals a lot of damage when it hits something, thus Paladins are awesome for this job.
If only we had the expansion (well if you had ) then I could play as Spanish and get Conquistadors, Jannisaries on Horseback, best units in the game imo.
And Anitpaladin...
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no way.lol there UU are very practicly unbeatbull against archers,and thre Ureaserche allows them to be build in barracks.
lmaoooooooo, okay dude, whatever you reckon.
They will be easily beaten because they are unable to build stone walls, enough said
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ok,but i think im right,and i think gg wil lagree withme
Think I care if he agrees with you?
Seriously, my technique works for me, and I usually go very well online.
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posted July 08, 2007 10:35 AM |
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yes expension would rule,i do have it unfortnly GG doesnt.
It doesnt really metter,if you cant realy play aok you cant play aoq either.
and you can ask everyone gamer of aok ,to tell you that the goths are NOT weakest civ.
you teachinque works for you,is that why me and GG defend you early in game while you build it?
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