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Still
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posted September 19, 2001 10:06 AM |
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Edited By: Still on 19 Sep 2001
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Man, I guess this aint gonna stop... Dammit! I hate to say that almost everywhere on the net I get this topic and is always flagging.
THAT WON'T HELP! PEOPLE LIKE ME ARE SICK AND TIRED OF THIS EVENT! PLEASE STOP!
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pluvious
Promising
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posted September 19, 2001 08:01 PM |
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People like you are sick of this event? What type of people are you? Intellectually or politically challenged people? Then don't talk about it! Go away!
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princess_zelda
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posted September 19, 2001 11:56 PM |
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I'm not trying to start any thing but If there was a "god" and he was all good and everything wouldn't he have stopped this all before it started? It's just my opinion./quote]
Well if there was god so good, as you are describing - then there will be no world at all. As scriptures are saying we are here because of our sin that Adam and Eve done by eating the apple. So it is... If there is a god at all, that is 
No offence to all you believers but I don't read all that bible crap. I don't care. Are you saying people get what they deserve?
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Sir Ulrich:"A flower is good for nothing. You can't eat it, it doesn't keep you warm..."
Jocelyn:"And A rose never knocked a man ... too long to display...
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RMS
Responsible
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posted September 20, 2001 12:25 AM |
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...its too bad that I currently don't have the time to write up a lengthy response in reply to all these posts, but there is one thing that I must say here, and that is to you Princess Zelda: I know not how old you are, but it seems that you have proven me wrong in thinking that our "jokers" here were as ignorant as they get...please feel free to express yourself, but do not expect us to like what you say...I speak not on behalf of others, but it seemed far enough to me, that you have already shown such bad judgement in this entirely horrible ordeal...now, you wish to challenge the core beliefs of so many in our country and all around the globe? This is a time to come together as one and be at peace with each other, leaving all hate and violence where it needs to remain...just because you don't understand the meaning of any religion, does not mean you have the right to make any sort of criticism in that fashion...I myself am not a hardcore Christian, but it is an important part of my personal code of ethics and beliefs that aid in the course in which I direct my life...even so, religion has been such a touchy subject throughout all history- it has provoked gruesome grand scale wars, and yet it has also brought so many together in unity...I'de rather choose the latter...people have their differences, and I can stand that, but what I cannot stand is when people don't even provide rational arguments to back up what they say...this is not the time for a seperation of all people, Christian, Non-Christian, Islamic or not...that is not the concern here...if it is where you're leading it to, I feel it my duty to inform you that it is a miniscule percentage of the Muslim population that supports or even agrees with the attack...
...there is enough tension as it is, I suggest you lay off this hot-bed...
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princess_zelda
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posted September 20, 2001 06:59 PM |
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I can't tell you what to believe and you certainly can't tell me, I didn't expect any one to like what I say. I also didn't get a chance to read your whole post. And I would be at peace with others if people like lordpaul would stop telling me, not exactly what to do but you know what I mean.
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Jocelyn: "A flower is only as good as it's petals, don't you think?"
Sir Ulrich:"A flower is good for nothing. You can't eat it, it doesn't keep you warm..."
Jocelyn:"And A rose never knocked a man ... too long to display...
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ozzyosbourne
Bad-mannered
Famous Hero
Riddler of the Sky
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posted September 20, 2001 10:44 PM |
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this place is snowin god snowin damn bullsnow now, im snowin leavin, snow this and snow all. snowin later
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Hexa
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Legendary Hero
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posted September 21, 2001 08:18 AM |
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Can someone translate all those stars for me?
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Gunnrunner
Adventuring Hero
The Mail Order Bride From Hell
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posted September 22, 2001 07:09 PM |
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HEres a long one
Understanding Oil
The brutal attacks/bombings this week in New York, and Washington D.C.,
along with threats of attacks there and elsewhere in the country have
changed our times forever. While the mass media concentrates on the details
of the destruction, and the blanketed words of politicians, I will attempt
to understand and explain the events from the fence. BOMBING AND BEING
BOMBED ARE THE SAME THINGS ON DIFFERENT SIDES OF THE FENCE.
Terror is not a spontaneous human action without credence. People just don’t
hijack planes and commit harikari (suicide) without any weight of thought to
the action. No one in the media seems to ask WHY DID THESE PEOPLE DO THIS
HORRIFIC ACT OF VIOLENCE AND DESTRUCTION?
To be able to understand the answer to this, we must first look at our U.S.
Mideast Policy. During most of the 20th century, U.S. businesses have worked
on attaining oil rights and concessions from countries in the Middle East
and Eastern Europe. After WWI, secret back door deals by our State Dept.
yielded oil rights from then defeated Turkey to fields in what is now Iraq
and Saudi Arabia, in return for looking the other way at a crime against
humanity, the Genocide of the Armenians by the Turks. Oil profits have been
the motivating factors behind many attempts at counterinsurgency of
democratic regimes by the CIA and the U.S in the Middle East (such as Iran
in the 1950s, where the Shah replaced the Prime Minister who refused to give
up oil rights to the U.S., and since the people couldn’t deal with the Shah,
an extremist government headed by the Ayatollah Khomeini ultimately
prevailed). During the Iran-Iraq war, America supplied both sides with
weapons and advice. These are not the actions of a rich superpower wanting
peace. Let’s not forget that Saddam Hussein, before being America’s vision
of the Anti-Christ, was a close ally of the U.S., and the CIA. So what was
the firm belief system of consecutive American administrations that caused
all this to occur ? PEACE IN THE MIDDLE EAST WILL LEAD TO HIGHER OIL AND
GASOLINE PRICES. Let’s not also forget the power of the Arms industry,
disguised as defense, that still sells billions of dollars of weapons to the
area. Therefore it has not been in the short-term economic interest of the
U.S. to foster Peace in the Middle East. Using the above reasoning, the U.S.
has encouraged extremist governments, toppled democracies, as in the case of
Iran to replace it with a monarchy, rigged elections, and many more
unspeakable political crimes for U.S. businesses abroad. Let’s not also
forget the Red Scare. During the war between the then Soviet Union and
Afghanistan, the U.S. armed and supported the Taliban, a fundamentalist
Muslim organization, and allowed them to export opium and heroin out of
their country to pay for those weapons. Therefore the Taliban rose to power
and control with the help of the U.S.A. Today, the bombing of Iraq still
continues, no longer covered by the media, the economic embargo still
remains, killing millions of children, and recently, while the world and the
U.N. General Assembly have cried out to bring in peacekeeping forces into
Israel and Palestine, to end the escalated war and recent assassinations,
the U.S. has vetoed the rest of the Security Council and has halted the
possibility of peace, there, in the most volatile place in the world.
People in Serbia, Lebanon, Iraq, Sudan, and Afghanistan to name a few have
seen bombs fall, not always at military targets and kill innocent civilians,
as the scene in New York city yesterday. The wars waged by our government in
our names has landed smack in the middle of our living room. The half hour
of destruction closed down all world financial markets, struck the central
headquarters of our military, and had our leaders running into bunkers, and
our citizens into fear and frenzy. What scares me more than what has
occurred is what our reactions to the occurrences may cause. President Bush
belongs to a long generation of Republican Presidents who love war
economies. The media has only concentrated on the bombings, if you will, and
what type of retaliations are looming for the perpetrators. What everyone
fails to realize is that the bombings are a reaction to existing injustices
around the world, generally unseen to most Americans. To react to a reaction
would be to further sponsor the reaction. In other words, my belief is that
the terror will multiply if concrete steps are not taken to sponsor peace in
the middle east, NOW. This does not mean that we should not find the guilty
party(s), Bin Laden, or whoever they may be, and not try them. Put simply,
as long as a major injustice remains, violence precipitates to the surface
of life.
Native American folklore, the Bible, Nostradamus, and many other major
religious beliefs point to this era with the visuals of yesterday’s
disasters, and conditions of ecological disasters we experience daily in our
lives today. War, rumors of war, famine, long burning fires, etc., are at
our doorstep. We can prevail over this possible vision with the power of the
human spirit, understanding, compassion, and peace. IT’S TIME TO PUT OUR
NEEDS FOR SECURITY AND SURVIVAL, ACHIEVED ONLY THROUGH PEACE, ABOVE AND
BEYOND PROFITS, ESPECIALLY IN THESE TIMES.
SOLUTION:
The U.S. should stop sidestepping the U.N. Security Council, and allow U.N.
Peacekeeping troops and missions to the Middle East. Stop the violence
first.
Stop the bombing and patrol of Iraq.
With today’s gains in the use of alternative fuels, develop them to full
usage with autos and other utilities, to make the country less dependant on
an already depleting natural reserve, oil.
By initiating peace, we would have already shaken the foundations of support
for Bin Laden, and/or all those that sponsor activities like those we saw
yesterday, and break the stronghold of extremists on the world of Islam. On
the other hand, if we carry out bombings on Afghanistan or elsewhere to
appease public demand, and very likely kill innocent civilians along the
way, we’d be creating many more martyrs going to their deaths in retaliation
against the retaliation. As shown from yesterday’s events, you cannot stop a
person who’s ready to die.
By Serj Tankian, frontman of System of a Down
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princess_zelda
Adventuring Hero
house elf
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posted September 22, 2001 07:20 PM |
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Could you shorten that up a bit?
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Jocelyn: "A flower is only as good as it's petals, don't you think?"
Sir Ulrich:"A flower is good for nothing. You can't eat it, it doesn't keep you warm..."
Jocelyn:"And A rose never knocked a man ... too long to display...
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Gunnrunner
Adventuring Hero
The Mail Order Bride From Hell
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posted September 22, 2001 07:25 PM |
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RMS
Responsible
Legendary Hero
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posted September 22, 2001 11:48 PM |
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...hmm, yes you summed that quite well, I must say...
...its not that long...it may do you good to read it...
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pluvious
Promising
Adventuring Hero
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posted September 23, 2001 08:38 AM |
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Yes, we are just bombing Iraq all the time now. Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb. Boom!! Oh, brother.
You are correct about many things and make some good points but because you are so one-sided in your argument it is difficult to take you seriously. Try sprinkling in some negatives from the other side and I might be more inclined to listen. Sidestepping the UN? The US is the UN...didn't we set that up when there was nothing like it before? Hmmm...
I too look at the media and them seemingly giving us only the partial story. But that is exactly what you have done too so maybe everyone is wrong or everybody is partially right?
What I propose is that everyone be good. Or sense that can't happen I guess we have to keep close watch on our government (not easy to do) and of course try to make sure these kinds of terrorist attacks don't happen again. I certainly hope we try to improve relations with other countries but that is not always easy to do.
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-The Storm Before the Calm-
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Gunnrunner
Adventuring Hero
The Mail Order Bride From Hell
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posted September 23, 2001 01:10 PM |
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The US is sidestepping the UN Security Council, as the US is a permanant member they have a power veto to stop any decisions made. The same power is given to all permanent members of the security council
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Preserver
Promising
Famous Hero
Elemental Druid
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posted September 23, 2001 03:11 PM |
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This is scary...
Try typing this in your writing program: Q33 NY
Q33 is one of the planes that crashed. NY is for New York.
Now, change the font to Windings. What do you see?!!
I don't like it... 
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Gunnrunner
Adventuring Hero
The Mail Order Bride From Hell
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posted September 23, 2001 05:20 PM |
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Holy @%#! thts freaky!!!! Maybe Bin Laden knew this.....
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ozzyosbourne
Bad-mannered
Famous Hero
Riddler of the Sky
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posted September 23, 2001 05:34 PM |
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holy snow man thats freaky.
Man that aint no trick or anything. that must mean something. maybe a clue?
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Life is like a carousel. Spinning fast you got to ride them well. The only time you speak is in your dreams.
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bort
Honorable
Supreme Hero
Discarded foreskin of morality
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posted September 23, 2001 07:07 PM |
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Cute, but the flights were American Airlines 11, American Airlines 77, United 175, and United 93.
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Preserver
Promising
Famous Hero
Elemental Druid
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posted September 23, 2001 08:06 PM |
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Hmmm...
Maybe I should have checked it before posting it here.
Sorry, I was a little too fast
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RMS
Responsible
Legendary Hero
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posted September 23, 2001 08:27 PM |
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...thats ok, we forgive you...
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princess_zelda
Adventuring Hero
house elf
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posted September 24, 2001 12:43 AM |
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and whoever said if some arab or muslim came and killed your baby, would you go to that country and kill all the children there? well the answer is no, I'd rip off their heads and feed them to sharks death, that may sound sick but If it was my baby i would. I wouldn't be able to live with myself but I'd do it.
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Jocelyn: "A flower is only as good as it's petals, don't you think?"
Sir Ulrich:"A flower is good for nothing. You can't eat it, it doesn't keep you warm..."
Jocelyn:"And A rose never knocked a man ... too long to display...
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