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Djive
Honorable
Supreme Hero
Zapper of Toads
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posted October 25, 2001 07:28 PM |
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Why don't you try ....
... Oldtimer's thread for "Best level 1 creature" for posting your "Best level 1 creature" lists. After all Oltimer made that thread for that purpose.
Though, you're welcome to post it here if you back it up with "numerical" evidence.
We are all aware that Hero experience and spells would change the numerical values, and the same applies for hero's with creature specialities.
We are aware that the attack and defence values of a high- level-artifact-heavy hero means a lot more than the basic stats of a creature.
However, this is not what we're discussing here.
Have you ever considered that the designers of the game must have had a method for pricing creatures?
How did they arrive at a cost? They probably had something that is not too far away from the ones formulaes presented here. Some creatures were made cheap for what they do, others were made expensive.
Then it's another question if theŽdesigner's method for counting out the cost was a good one.
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Coldfyrius
Promising
Famous Hero
Vice-God for Marketing
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posted October 26, 2001 01:03 AM |
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Shae, I think you're right about this. These ratings don't serve much of a purpose. Field conditions are more important than any abstract number assigned to a creature. The only use I can see for this thread is as a source for some sort of Modhomm price-fixing patch. You were right. I was wrong. And I should really be spending more time playing than on this board.
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Shae_Trielle
Honorable
Famous Hero
of Heroes
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posted October 26, 2001 11:33 AM |
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I think it all comes down to...
point allocation. For each level 1, I think that the designers had a specific number of points to assign to each level creature. That way everything would be different, yet equal in certain respects. In this way of thinking, creatures can't be ranked, because they are all equal, just different. I mean, paying 70 gold for a Centaur is a hefty price! Gremlins are less than half that amount, which makes them fairly effective in resource/gold poor situations. I don't know, look at it on cost alone and see how it goes.
Take 9 centaurs at a total cost of 630 gold pieces and then purchase using the same amount of money, gremlins. That's 9 centaurs for 21 gremlins. In a one on one slugfest, I wonder which one comes out on top?
Having just run an 'unfair' series of quick tests with a centaur hero of 2 attack and 2 defence compared with a gremlin hero of 1 attack and 1 defence, the gremlins won easily. This was all with the centaurs being granted first strike too.
So how do we rate lowly gremlins NOW?
*smile*
PS: Okay, I'm off to annoy the people in the 1st level creatures thread, lol!
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retropoet
Tavern Dweller
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posted February 17, 2002 08:34 PM |
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Calculations
Isn't the real question, after looking at all the stats; which town would I prefer to develop? Secondarily, one might ask, "with limited funds, which creature in this town should I purchase?" Also, why have two sets of numbers? Wouldn't a figure derived by multiplying Cost Effectiveness times the stats number be accurate? Speaking of accurate, carrying your calculations out to 5 or 6 places is meaningless. Since you start with single digit stats, the final number is not significant beyond two places at most!
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Djive
Honorable
Supreme Hero
Zapper of Toads
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posted February 21, 2002 10:51 PM |
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"Isn't the real question, after looking at all the stats; which town would I prefer to develop?"
Not necessarily, many of the towns you capture will be partly built... and anyway with TP you'd never hatve to develope the buildings more than in one Town of a certain types.
"Secondarily, one might ask, "with limited funds, which creature in this town should I purchase?""
That's more the question you can ask. If you had the creatures with the best bang for the back in unlimited numbers you'd want to recruit unlimited numbers of this creature for all your money, and then nothing of all of the rest.
Since unlimited creatures is not an option, you instead look at the power of the stack. The power of a Hero's most owerful stack is a very important consideration, and this explains why 7 level creatures are so desirable in the late game.
Each week you get 2 Archangles, they outpower 28 Halberdiers to such an extent that if the choice stands between 28 Halberdiers (another unit for the rest of the money) and 2 Archangels you'd pick the two Archangels every time.
However, if you get to choose between 2 Archangels and 3 Archdevils (if you have an external devil dwelling) per week then the choice is not all that obvious. Accumulate that over a month and you have 12 Archdevils or 8 Archangels, which would you rather have... If you take the Angels you have some money over for a over troops.
"Also, why have two sets of numbers? Wouldn't a figure derived by multiplying Cost Effectiveness times the stats number be accurate? Speaking of accurate, carrying your calculations out to 5 or 6 places is meaningless. Since you start with single digit stats, the final number is not significant beyond two places at most!"
Err... I don't follow you here. If you mean power of creature and cost effectiveness then you need both to make a judgement as to which one you should pick.
If you need reinforcements badly and you have 45 Chaos Hydra and 40 Ancient Behemoth. Then which pick will add the most to your troops' power?
You will normally always be limited by what is available for a certain creature.
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angelito
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
proud father of a princess
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posted October 27, 2004 09:49 AM |
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I know this is a VERY old thread, but due to the fact, all new members start threads like "Which is the best level 5 unit?" or "Is 1 mighty gorgon better than 3 silver pegasi?", this thread gives many informations about the rankings of ALL units.
Take a look...very interesting in my eyes...
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