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posted June 28, 2006 01:47 PM |
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Germany maybee, argentina too... Eventhough that the Germans have been performing consistently, their playing style is not very spectacular. Or maybee I just don't like them.
Still I found Argentina in great form, they are my top favourites. It's a shame that Holland were knocked out, Spain too.
On the other side I was greatly dissapointed by the French, Enlish and Brazillians. We'll see how it all turns out...
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posted June 28, 2006 01:56 PM |
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Yes Germany and Argentina are the only two teams that have performed consistently well during the tournament (Argentina had already qualified when they played vs Holland, Saviola and Crespo didn't play).
I can't wait to watch them play on Friday.
But how about booring, booring England, they've been playing consistently booring all the way .
(Good that Svenni leaves after the tournament ).
Good to see France play some good football for once. Sad however that Spain were their opponent.
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posted June 28, 2006 03:10 PM |
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I think Germany plays very spectacular though (very unexpected though, to be honest!).
- We have scored the most goals of all teams (10, together with Brazil))
- In 3 out of 4 games, we have scored after 5 minutes at latest
- Only 2 goals were scored against us so far, both in the first game
- We are leader in the Fair-Play chart (only 5 yellow cards and no red card in 4 games)
- In the "Golden Boot" ranking, first and second place are held by german attackers (Klose, Podolski), 2nd place is tied with some more players though..
- We had the most shots on goal so far
So i think, this "sounds" at least spectacular...
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Ecoris
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posted June 28, 2006 03:16 PM |
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Yes, Germany have been impressive so far but they've not really played against any good opponents (Sweden were awful).
It's aslo quite spectacular that Switzerland were sent out even though they didn't concede any goals.
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posted June 28, 2006 03:48 PM |
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Quote: Yes, Germany have been impressive so far but they've not really played against any good opponents (Sweden were awful)...
We hear that every now and then....what is a good opponent?
Sweden was close to beat England, they had 7 points after the group phase. How good a team plays in a match also depends on the opponent. Example is Ucraine. How bad did they play vs Spain? But then they won the other 2 games, and now they are still in the tourney, while Spain is out. Look how Ecuador played vs Germany, and how they played vs England....
England had no "good" opponent so far (but still they didnīt play good football though), neither did Brazil or Italy.
But they all are in the 1/4 finals, while "good" teams are out (Holland, Spain, Mexico.....).
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posted June 28, 2006 05:14 PM |
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Quote: How good a team plays in a match also depends on the opponent.
This is indeed a very good question. However I don't agree with you all the way.
I don't think the opponent influences how well you play. You can say "we played well, but our opponent played even better and therefore we lost". And the same team could have played exactly as well in another match and won because their opponent was weaker this time. Your best games are not necessarily the ones you win.
"Playing well" is a relative term. So far we would say that Brazil haven't really played that well, but Trinidad has. Still we all know that Brazil have played better than Trinidad. But we except more from Brazil.
The question is really: "What determines how well a team plays?"
I think the answer is: "Their current form, how well they prepare and their attitude." At least this is how I look upon it.
You can have the ball 25% of the time but still play a good game.
Usually I think Sweden is a "good" team. But I think that their form dropped when they played against Germany. Thier offense hasn't been good during the tournament, but this time their defense starting making enormous errors that they usually don't. Was this Germany's deserts? I don't think so, but Germnay was capable of utilizing this because they are "good" team. Sweden could have played well and still lost 2-0, but in that case it would be necessary for Germnay to play even better.
Quote: England had no "good" opponent so far (but still they didnīt play good football though), neither did Brazil or Italy.
But they all are in the 1/4 finals, while "good" teams are out (Holland, Spain, Mexico.....).
You mention Holland, Spain and Mexico. They played well during the group stage, but when they met "good" opponents (Portugal, France and Argentina respectively) that matched them they still played well but didn't have what it took and were knocked out. They were not knocked out because their form suddenly dropped. Any of them could have beaten Sweden the way Sweden played.
As long as Eriksson has been the coach of England they've played so boooring but his results are OK. That's just the way England plays, I don't think they'll ever play much better (even though the team has a huge potential). Brazil and Italy have played OK so far, at least they've done what was required.
Quote: Look how Ecuador played vs Germany, and how they played vs England....
Well, Ecuador didn't use Tenorio and Delgado when they played against Germany, and I don't think they played better in that game.
When I and other people mention that "they've not really played against any good opponents", I'm not trying to 'diminish' Germany's achievements, I'm just asking: "Will Germany have what it takes to win when they run into an opponent of the same strength who's form doesn't drop? Are they capable of playing to the best of their abilities when it's required? Will their defense display weaknesses when they're challenged?"
Germany have not beaten one of the "major" nations for many years.
We shall have to wait until Friday to see.
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posted June 29, 2006 03:37 AM |
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Argentina did't win clearly vs ivory cost, holland, and Mexico... they had problems with this teams... and Germany in all games win "easyly" so my bets are to germany in this game...
I still waiting for England... I think at least in the paper they have the best midfield in the world cup
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posted June 29, 2006 04:19 AM |
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Just think about the irony, spain stripped ukraine of it's dignity while losing on the 1/8 finals and ukraine makes it through to the 1/4. he he.
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posted June 29, 2006 11:34 AM |
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Hehehe, just put $5 on brazil, France, Italy and Germany to win the cup. Based on the odds (provided one team wins), if brazil win, i lose $5, but if the others win, i make a nice little profit. The obvious worst wase scenareo is none of them win but im hoping that doesnt happen
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posted June 29, 2006 12:07 PM |
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darn you older people. with your betting and your cars and your fancy doormats
in 4 years Pc will have his revenge
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posted June 29, 2006 12:10 PM |
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I sense an upset.
I usually get good instincts which helps my poker game tremendously .
Ukraine is going to pull a hugh upset on Italy
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posted June 29, 2006 01:36 PM |
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Wanna place a small wager on it? Loser pays a direct deposit into winners bank account...
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posted June 29, 2006 02:39 PM |
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Just to play it safe, my instincts dont always work .
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posted June 29, 2006 04:48 PM |
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Quote: Hehehe, just put $5 on brazil, France, Italy and Germany to win the cup. Based on the odds (provided one team wins), if brazil win, i lose $5, but if the others win, i make a nice little profit. The obvious worst wase scenareo is none of them win but im hoping that doesnt happen
It is stupid to bet on Brazil, France and Italy, they won't win this. Maybe Brazil will be ok if they manage to pull their team together, but so far they didn't look very good as a team and their defense is HORRIBLE. I'd get on Germany or Argentina AFTER they play The REAL final game will happen in the quarterfinals. Whatever happens after that will be just a little warm up for the team that wins in the "final"
Actually, come to think of it - Argentina's team is too young and can't handle the pressure yet (just look at their game vrs Mexico). The crowd will give them a very hard time when they play Germany, so, I think it is safe to bet on the Germans.
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posted June 29, 2006 05:49 PM |
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Quote:
Quote: Their playing style is the least spectacular
You obviously didn't see their game vs Ghana.Quote: They got 2 of the lamest wins in this worldcup and that's nothing to be proud of. You should win games with your skills, not with your acting abilities.
Which is the second one??
Quite obviously I DID see the game vrs Ghana where an Italian player didn't get red carded for not letting Ghana score an equalizer. I am not quite sure what you find so "spectacular" about that. FYI: This is NOT American football where the tackles ARE supposed to be spectacular. I hope that clears things out for you. Oh, and if the score was 1:1, or Italy was forced to play with 10 players, the end game would be very different.
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posted June 29, 2006 06:57 PM |
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You're not reading what I wrote Russ:
Quote: Quite obviously I DID see the game vrs Ghana where an Italian player didn't get red carded for not letting Ghana score an equalizer. I am not quite sure what you find so "spectacular" about that.
I never claimed Italy played spectacular. You said they had the "least spectacular playing style". I had to disagree. There are many other teams that play less spectacular, (England, Sweden, Ukraine, France - at least until their game vs Spain, but that match was played afterwards!) and possible many more.
Please read what I read write before replying like that .
But I agree that Ghana should have been awarded a penalty.
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posted June 29, 2006 07:08 PM |
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Quote: It is stupid to bet on Brazil, France and Italy, they won't win this. Maybe Brazil will be ok if they manage to pull their team together, but so far they didn't look very good as a team and their defense is HORRIBLE. I'd get on Germany or Argentina AFTER they play The REAL final game will happen in the quarterfinals. Whatever happens after that will be just a little warm up for the team that wins in the "final"
I agree that France don't stand many chances, but I think you underestimate Brazil.
BTW take a look at these odds:
One can bet on Brazil, Argentina, Germany, Italy, England AND France and still get a payback value of 1,015 at 10Bet.
I guess you missed Argentina, Dragonslayer? I don't think your 5 $ bet is that good when you'll lose if Brazil wins. The math of betting is not complicated.
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posted June 29, 2006 07:22 PM |
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@Ecoris
The teams you've mentioned aren't nearly as lame as Italy. This is exactly why Italian games are the least spectacular for me. You may not be as good as Italy, but I always find a not-so-good team that is simply playing football to the best of their ability and isn't trying to steal a lame win more spectacular.
Btw, it is you who didn't read my post. You were off in your post where you were showing off trying to "bust everyones ass" (quote: DragonSlayer). I've pointed out your lack of knowledge. Don't make it worse by beating the dead horse.
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posted June 29, 2006 08:51 PM |
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Haha, this is ridiculous. Are we discussing the "italian playing style" or "italian games".
Quote: I've pointed out your lack of knowledge. Don't make it worse by beating the dead horse.
I guess anyone can make up his own mind in that one.
Nevermind, I guess any further discussion with you is pointless. But I ought to have known, right?
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posted June 29, 2006 09:25 PM |
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Come on guys..this is football...not wrestling...
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