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RobO
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posted June 11, 2006 06:27 PM |
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I've played HoMM since HoMM2 - one of my best computer playing experiences. I eventually tired of HoMM3 (too much sameness - in HoMM2 the different factions played very differently) though the custom made maps kept me with the game for a while, and didn't buy the last of the expansions. This caused me to wait with HoMM4 until I got the Complete version cheaply, only to discover that the game had been innovated a great deal and was MUCH better than HoMM3.
As for HoMM5, I've just tried the demo long enough to notice the missing features. Almost all of it good stuff they should have left in and improved. Shhejtan said it all - almost. I also miss the info panes, giving me an overview of my selected army, all the heroes and castles etc. I find the graphics cramped - I use a 20" widescreen monitor, 1680x1050, yet it looks like a scaled up version of a much lower resolution (and probably is). The hero and castle picture is unnecessarily large, for example, and I have a hard time picking out the stuff I need to pick up.
As Shhejtan, I wonder why they decided to throw out so much good stuff and revert to a faulty recipe. I guess I might pick it up in a couple of years when it hits the bargain bin in a "HoMM V Complete" version.
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okiesolidarity
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right brain/left brain wizard
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posted June 11, 2006 08:08 PM |
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Maybe not realism, but how cartoonish.
I agree with the maps too, there's not enough maps with just plain old kill the enemy.
I still don't know if I follow your stance on the cartoonish argument. Perhaps you are referring to the lighting effects on the new models, which, I will agree, are in some cases too saturated with color and not earthy enough (especially for most necro troops).
In terms of cartoony proportions, let's take another look at those homm3 models, who have heads that are proportionately too large for their bodies. Take a closer look at the homm3 archangel's shoulder, which is all sorts of "not correct", if you want to get technical about what looks like a cartoon - here is my response: they both do. Every creature/hero in every homm has looked like a cartoon. Personally, I would hate it if they tried to make them look more realistic. This is a fantasy game - not a midieval sim.
Some people hate on the manga-inspired direction of 5. Get off the brainwash, folks; the old artwork wasn't any more "real".
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SashRoxx
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posted June 13, 2006 08:59 PM |
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OK here's my disappointments to the game,,,,I don't know maybe I'm doin someting wrong but when I play the custom maps all I can edit in the beginning is resources, cash, or artifact? I can't edit what race I want to be or color or anything like that. I Also have a problem with playing the 1 large custom map that I get to play necromancer on (the island campaign) even on easy I get attacked generally in the 1st week and get destroyed...And like many others here I want to have a map maker...
Then I started playing the campaigns and the 2nd campaign with the Knight I took over the 2 castles but am now wanderring aimlessly to get to area's I can't get to to try getting into the 3rd game of the scenerio. And lastly what's up with my favorite race (Necromancy) being such a weak race?
I'm glad I found the game on ebay and paid 1/2 price for it because I don't think this game is worth the 50.00 Wal Mart charges.
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chpr
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posted June 13, 2006 10:07 PM |
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dunnou.. it`s h5 is great.. but is almost the same game as heroes 3, i was just fascinated by the numerous innovations in the h4, and now everything is back. I also agree of the stupidity of the far too many dragons, just snow that crappy spectral dragon away!
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Lith-Maethor
Honorable
Legendary Hero
paid in Coin and Cleavage
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posted June 13, 2006 10:37 PM |
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at least i am not alone...
almost all my problems with HoMM5 can be summed up in one sentence "HoMM3 in 3D and a twist"
HoMM4 had many cool new elements that added to the game... falling back to HoMM3 was perhaps necessary, but still not something i am happy with
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MO
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posted June 13, 2006 10:49 PM |
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Heroes 5 is Bullsnow.
The army you start with can't beat mine defenders. And you can't buy a significant amount of troops when you start, but you got loads of money. In order to defeat mine guards I need to buy 4 new heroes with troops included.
I have no use for 5 heroes when I start + they are way to cheap. There are also loads of annoying things. Like you click on something on the map and u get to your castle. And when u want to get to your castle you always click the hero who's in it.
After one week almost u can upgrade your town almost to 100% without having done anything. The AI is stupid.
H5 is just a load of badly programmed graphics. Why is it laggy on SLI 7800GTX when other games aren't. There's also too little content.
H5 is flawed. I doubt the expansions can change anything. The whole set of basic rules have to be changed.
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rpgguy
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Scholar
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posted June 13, 2006 11:51 PM |
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heroes 4 had some nice features and some very bad features it pains me to see that instead of checking witch features are good and need to stay they deleted all the good things and returned the game to heroes 3 style...
the only thing i find that heroes 4 have in common with 5 and is diffrent from 3 is the computer A.I. - in both 4 and 5 the computer plays like a six year old child and when you put raise the difficulty to heroic all it does is give the computer tons of resources and all neutral battles are igonored for the computer (he just swipes them like bugs!).
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Xytech
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posted June 14, 2006 08:35 AM |
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Heroes 5 is Bullsnow.
The army you start with can't beat mine defenders. And you can't buy a significant amount of troops when you start, but you got loads of money. In order to defeat mine guards I need to buy 4 new heroes with troops included.
I have no use for 5 heroes when I start + they are way to cheap. There are also loads of annoying things. Like you click on something on the map and u get to your castle. And when u want to get to your castle you always click the hero who's in it.
After one week almost u can upgrade your town almost to 100% without having done anything. The AI is stupid.
H5 is just a load of badly programmed graphics. Why is it laggy on SLI 7800GTX when other games aren't. There's also too little content.
H5 is flawed. I doubt the expansions can change anything. The whole set of basic rules have to be changed.
seriously man
you suck at this game
I play on hardest, and I defeat the mine dwellings with ease. Perhaps you should stop blaming the game and actually learn how to play it. Yet after saying how hard it is, you say the AI is stupid. Well why aren't you winning all those battles.
Please, uninstall it, and never play again.
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Incendax
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posted June 14, 2006 10:29 AM |
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FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY..
Let me load a game mid battle.
Not save, just load. If I walk into a situation in Singleplayer that is a destined loss, just let me load the bloody game instead of waiting for Auto-Combat. Flee occasionally works, but sometimes it isn't even enabled, and I'm probably just going to load the game afterwards anyway. Is it really that hard to put a Load Game option in the Options Menu during combat?
*frustrated* It should NOT be quicker to Alt-Tab and close the game than to just load the game out of a Month 3-4 Battle which could take upwards of 10-15 minutes.
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TitaniumAlloy
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Legendary Hero
Professional
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posted June 16, 2006 11:13 AM |
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Ok so not realism either  BUT at least looks more childish, and I still think that you're more likely to see that drunk fat guy with a pot belly on a cartoon than the half decayed flesh zombie from H3
How about the interface, and the cursor looking like someone drew them?
And the girly fonts used, even on the creature stacks!
H3, and H4 to a certain extent, at least had that serious feel about it, not too serious, but didn't feel like a kids show at least. I'm not saying H5 is that bad, but it's changed that magnificent (I hate to use the word, but it's appropriate) fantasy feel of H3 into something more cartoony, and less grand.
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OOPMan
Adventuring Hero
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posted June 16, 2006 12:37 PM |
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Wow, once again people are moaning about "user error" rather than features...
For example, all the moaning about mine creeping. Why? Simply pay attention to the fact that H5 is NOT exactly like H3 and thus the old style of creeping you used won't actually work.
This is not a "disappointing feature", it's yet another case of "user error".
The graphics niggles are a bit more valid. H5 has a visual style and this is a feature. For some people it's disappointing. For others it's not.
I wish people would try to post actual valid comments in this thread, rather than the masses of "user error" posts we're seeing. Seriously, some people should actually read the manual before complaining about things. You only come across as being mentally deficient if you complain about things explained in the manual...
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RobO
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posted June 16, 2006 05:14 PM |
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I wish people would try to post actual valid comments in this thread, rather than the masses of "user error" posts we're seeing. Seriously, some people should actually read the manual before complaining about things. You only come across as being mentally deficient if you complain about things explained in the manual...
There are plenty of valid comments in this thread.
I don't have the game, and so don't have the manual, but I'd be very surprised if the manual explained why they decided to throw out so many good features in HoMM4 and base the game on HoMM3 instead. That - and the (to me) unwieldy graphics is why I won't buy the game.
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ChinaBlue
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posted June 16, 2006 06:54 PM |
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You only come across as being mentally deficient if you complain about things explained in the manual...
Right..and it only takes a few seconds to read it entirely 
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Silverhawk5504
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posted June 16, 2006 11:20 PM |
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I can't believce that people are still complaining about the graphics...
what the heck gives??????????
That is such a freaking minute feature in the game that it makes no sense whatsoever to talk about it now.
How about Nivel first fixes the stupid AI ... then possibly adds more
maps, then adds more spells and artifacts, then works on an expansion...
And possibly then ... maybe then, there will be room enough to complain in your pansy ways about certain creatures looking unrealistic or too cartoonish, or not cartoonish enough, or whatever the pointless points were ... please suck it up and focus on the important issues - CONTENT!!
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TDL
Honorable
Supreme Hero
The weak suffer. I endure.
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posted June 17, 2006 12:18 AM |
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I can't believe that people are still complaining about the graphics...
what the heck gives??????????
That is such a freaking minute feature in the game that it makes no sense whatsoever to talk about it now.
How about Nivel first fixes the stupid AI ... then possibly adds more
maps, then adds more spells and artifacts, then works on an expansion...
And possibly then ... maybe then, there will be room enough to complain in your pansy ways about certain creatures looking unrealistic or too cartoonish, or not cartoonish enough, or whatever the pointless points were ... please suck it up and focus on the important issues - CONTENT!!
Actually, that's 100% of what I wanted to say after reading the whole of this thread. Moaning about the graphics is surely something that should be avoided and ignored. If you people consider graphics of the game and the "feel", "childishness", not the gameplay the most important...
Geez, I am sorry if I am offensive, but you guys (and gals) just care about the "perfection" of the game, about how it suits your needs, expectations. Those are not features - those come from your mind. The true gaming experience, hours spent at the monitor playing the game and discussing it, that's what counts, truly!
Sorry for being a bit off-topic... and rash, offensive (I say this again but I am a bit not in teh mood now), but seeing 7 pages where people complain about one graphic detail, another, a lousy creature or something like that is annoying to a reader, unless you yourself despice (dunno if I chose the correct word) a graphical feature.
Everything else was already said by Silverhawk.
And as of the most disappointing feature. Well, as of yet, I find nothing that annoys me that much that I should even outline it. There are many things I would enlist if I had to outline the things I do not like, but when I am talking about features and which are the most disappointing, nothing comes to mind... A bit of this and that and that minor "dislike" turns into a neutral thing.
I simply adore the game as it is and am gonna play no matter what happens...
My 2 cents...
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madcat_lives
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posted June 17, 2006 12:42 AM |
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I have 4 dvd and I have no clue what dvd #2 does for it doesn't ask for it. I get now error when i start theh game for play. I reinstalled teh game, i even went back to store get same game and same thing happens. I go to add and remove, it removed up to 40% locked program and stops. what can I do now?
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Fuzzier
Adventuring Hero
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posted June 17, 2006 09:16 AM |
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I can't believce that people are still complaining about the graphics...
what the heck gives??????????
I'm not suprised to see how many people are disappointed about the graphics.
What the heck gives? As this topic suggests us to discuss: the most disappointed feature in H5.
Isn't the 3D graphics a feature? Of course, this is a KEY feature of H5. Without 3D UI, this game is just crapy, and no where close to the holy 2D H3.
The AI sucks too. The number of types of creatures and spells, the number of factions, the map editor... And all the bugs and glitches.
Nival surely has a lot more to do to make the game deserve its name - 'Heroes of Might and Magic'.
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RobO
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posted June 17, 2006 09:57 AM |
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OK, I've heard enough about this and I really have nothing more to say that hasn't already been said. But I can't figure out how to unsubscribe from this thread. How do I do that?
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Gloom
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posted June 18, 2006 11:15 PM |
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Here's my take on the mess-
Beware, long, tedius read.
The graphics are great, and very lively. I especially liked the occassional zoom-in during battles to get a better feel of the action. Which is where everything collapses;
The closer your zoom gets, the more deformed and hideous the game becomes. I skipped many a cutscene so I would not be forced to gaze at characters' faces and body "features". The general feeling is that the artists just got lazy towards the end, and couldn't have been bothered to finish their work, or even get rid of the blocky feeling everything gives you.
Also, the one who came up with the concept art for the Gargoyles should be caged, and poked with sharp sticks.
The number and veriety of towns is mostly fine, although the absence of the Barbarians is felt strongly, and there doesn't seem to be a true distinction in the way each town develops(The town point system is pretty horrible). The themes for each town, and their playable heroes are anything but positive, however:
The actual number and diversity of heroes is virtually nonexistant. Each town has a painfully small number of heroes to choose from, and an even more painfully small number of actually playable heroes(Hero specializations range from gimped to half decent, with a few overpowered ones here and there).
An example to this is the comparison between a Sylvan hero with Wasp Swarm specc.(Slightly increases the damage of the game's arguebly weakest spell, per level)and a Dungeon hero who has
a (increases per level)chance of casting Decay on several enemy creatures at the beginning of combat.
Inferno heroes have it pretty bad as well, while the other towns get 2-3 useable heroes. Not only that, but heroes often fail to correspond with their towns theme; Academy heroes don't really make very powerful spellcasters. Inferno heroes, and the whole army itself turns out to be best when playing defensively, and Sylvan's "favored enemies" ability is more often than not, inaccessible due to the overall low hero mobility, and the sluggish pace of the game.
Speaking of which; Even the biggest maps arn't really sizeable at all-
There's just lots of eye-candy graphics to make them appear larger.
Speaking of maps; As Murphy would have it, the developers included a tiny number of dull, lifeless and symmetrical skirmish maps to go along with the campaign gorgonzola.
Those maps seem perfectly tailored for the AI's needs: Stall the player until the AI amasses an armada big enough to crush them under its cheating heel(The AI has an unlimited supply of resources, and has a tendency of boasting it by not picking up any of the resources on the ground. Ever). Sure, the few maps we get are pretty poor, but we can fix them with the map editor, can't we?
Can't we!?
Nope.
Deciding to make the already cruel joke on the buyer's behalf even worse- the developers left the game without a map editor.
Agreal himself would've been proud, if he wasn't too busy picking flowers for Isabel, that is.
Right.
The skills and subskills system also leaves much to be desired, as heroes are pigeonholed into skill combinations they will ultimately not be able to reach. This might be fixed by providing an additional subskill to choose from every two or three levels, but even with that, the actual skills hardly improve from basic to expert when it comes to schools of magic.
Spells are limited, to say the least, and are too weak for their intended role- augmenting majorly Magic oriented towns like Academy and Necropolis. This means that the only thing that works in the game is sheer brute force. nothing more.
3. The unit combinations and number of creatures: No Heroes game before was stuffed so full of fodder. Each town has at least one type of creature that exists merely to be thrown into the middle of the battlefield to absorb stray fire. Luckily Gargoyles are one of those, so you won't have to tolerate their ugliness for very long.
Many old creatures were either dumped or uglified(Devils now look like big warthogs), and some of the new ones were just born ugly.
All in all, if this is evolution as the developers claim, then its closest life resemblence would be the wolf into the poodle.
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Silverhawk5504
Hired Hero
The Forsaken One
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posted June 18, 2006 11:52 PM |
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I think a lot of great points...
Although the only one that I wished to debate was the town-point system. I think that it really does let you customize each town in a different way. Because you can't "mad rush" to build capital like you could in H3, it makes for exciting and diverse gameplay.
For instance, Necropolis might go out and first 2 turns go for upgraded skellies while dungeon on the other hand, being insanely expensive might hold out for the town and city halls.
You're absolutely correct about the AI being retarded, the spells lacking quality and QUANTITY, the hero disparity being sooo freaking blatant, and map sized being small.
It is just dissapointing for those of us that dispised H4 to wait for this new game, having been promised to return to H3 gameplay, then suddenly realize that the developers took a step backwards and actually made it worse (ok, graphics are a bit better, but nowhere near what my card can handle...and it still lags...WTF?!?!).
I do so hope that they take the time to read these posts, pull a few long nights, and release a LOT of patches ...
and for the love of all that is holy, let the first patch fix this blasted AI (possibly worst 1 I've ever seen...EVER!!!)
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