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Heroes Community > Tavern of the Rising Sun > Thread: Enough is enough
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Dragon_Slayer
Dragon_Slayer


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Supreme Hero
toss toss toss
posted May 24, 2006 12:22 PM
Edited by pandora at 17:22, 06 Sep 2006.

Poll Question:
Enough is enough

Ok, I have had just about enough of the spam. Things have to change. I have been reading through recent threads and such and found that the main culprit of this useless and boring act is William. After much deliberation with another HC member, I have decided to make this poll deciding Williams’s fate. It is in the wastelands as Valery wishes for it to gain support before moving it to the Tribunal.

Basically, you cannot just make a poll about someone’s fate without giving just reasons and various options. Therefore, here are mine.

1) William should have a flood protect of 981723691013740 seconds, or some other outrageously long figure. Not only would this be irritating to William, and probably quite refreshing to us, it may make the youngster think twice about what he posts and whether it is something that was worth waiting 981723691013740 seconds for. This will improve the quality of his posts, thus making him a better and more productive member of the community.

2) William should be silenced for some extended period of time. This will give him time to calm down and think about his posting habits and how he will go about changing them. After the period is up, he may show Valery a plan of how he will change. If Valery thinks it is sufficient, the silence will be lifted with no restrictions on posting. However if William breaks the rules he sets himself in his plan, he may incur further consequences.

This is what I, and other members who have discussed this with me propose. I would appreciate a swift and serious response from all on the matter.

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Responses:
Yes, William should be silenced for some extended period of time
Yes, William should have a flood protect of 981723691013740 seconds, or some other ou
No, things are fine the way they are
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william
william


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Undefeatable Hero
LummoxLewis
posted May 24, 2006 12:27 PM
Edited by RedSoxFan3 at 07:15, 05 Jun 2006.

This is unfair.
Not only is this unfair, but stupid.
I am improving my posts right now, and if you give me the chance then I will prove to you that im changed.
I love comin to this site, and this will greatly make me depressed as I will not know what to do.
Please everyone, vote no because I will prove to you that im changing or changed.
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Aculias
Aculias


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Undefeatable Hero
Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
posted May 24, 2006 12:30 PM

What can i say with only this I voted too
William, if you improved then i am DOnald Duck :"O

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mr_niceguy
mr_niceguy


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posted May 24, 2006 12:31 PM

I hope you dont expect him to live for 31130254 years.
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Dragon_Slayer
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toss toss toss
posted May 24, 2006 12:31 PM
Edited by Dragon_Slayer at 12:34, 24 May 2006.

William. Seriously members who started out the way you did never changed their posting habbits, or it took them a VERY long time to do so. Soccerfeva is an example of someone who never changed his habbits. RSF and 2Xtreme are examples of spamers who took a very long time to change their ways, and quite frankly i dont want to wait that long.

The reason Soccerfeva never changed was because by the time he decided to stop being a spammer nobody took him seriously anymore and everything he said was just a toss. I dont want this to happen to you. Consider this a favor.

edit: No i dont expect him to live that long but i just wanted to get the message across.
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william
william


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Undefeatable Hero
LummoxLewis
posted May 24, 2006 12:33 PM

I DONT THINK THIS IS A FAVOUR I THINK ITS A PUNISHEMEN!!!

Please dont get me angry, and please vote for no because I want to stay here.
I will change my habits right now.
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Dragon_Slayer
Dragon_Slayer


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toss toss toss
posted May 24, 2006 12:37 PM

You only say that because you have been threatened with a form of punishment. You wouldnt change if someone just asked you too. Look at the bigger picture. This will help you as a member of HC, instead of being another "Ahhh crap another post from William"

I dont want that to happen to you because your not a bad guy, you just spam too much and post useless crap sometimes. If your given this time to think you will become a more constructive poster who will surley be respected by fellow HC members for taking the punishment like a man, instead of having a cry.
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william
william


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LummoxLewis
posted May 24, 2006 12:40 PM

IM NOT HAVING A DAMN CRY IM GETTING FURIOUS ABOUT THIS STUPID THREAD!!!

sorry for getting angry but c'mon, I dont always make crap posts, I make really good ones sometimes, so you punishing me for those as well?
Punishing me for my qp post are you?
Thats real great, nice work.
This isnt a favour, its a punishment, as I said and you said aswell.
Im thinking about it now, I dont need more time to think.
I think about heroes community nearly all the time, even when im at school.

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Dragon_Slayer
Dragon_Slayer


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Supreme Hero
toss toss toss
posted May 24, 2006 12:48 PM

You have a qp post? Didnt even know. But William why do you have 0qps??? Oh thats right you got a penalty. I wouldnt want you to get anymore.

And if you think about HC that much, maybe you shouldnt have a break to think about HC, maybe you should have a break because you think about it too much. HC shouldnt be your life. If your that obsessed then maybe you really do need the break, to spend some time with your friends or something... mate
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william
william


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LummoxLewis
posted May 24, 2006 12:52 PM

what I do with my life is for me, and not for you.
I deal with my own life, and I do it a certain way.
I like HC and I come to it because I like coming here because people are friendly.
I dont need a break and I dont need someone telling me how to run my life, because its MY life and not yours.
You do whatever you wanna do with your life, and stop telling others what to do with theres.
Your not my mum or my dad so dont do it.
If I want a break from HC then I will have a break from HC.
If I wanna come here then I will come here.
If I wish to change my habits, then I WILL change my habits.
So just stick with me and you will see that i can improve fast.
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angelito
angelito


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proud father of a princess
posted May 24, 2006 12:57 PM

Just a hint for you william:
Donīt react (post) on every thread, especially not on threads like this one. If the "victim" doesnīt react, such threads become boring very fast and will die in the wastelands, coz no1 will respond anymore.
There is also no need to repeat ones posting like u "sometimes" do in the Library ("Yes, this is right......", or "True, it can be done like this..." and so on...).
State your opinion. Let others state their opinion and wait till a discussion starts. Donīt start it yourself all the time..
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Aculias
Aculias


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Undefeatable Hero
Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
posted May 24, 2006 01:05 PM

I am your daddy little boy.
Now come to your spankinjg then you can recieve your worst punishment.
"GO TO BED!!!!!!"

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Lord_Pc
Lord_Pc


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posted May 24, 2006 01:06 PM

Quote:
Just a hint for you william:
Donīt react (post) on every thread, especially not on threads like this one. If the "victim" doesnīt react, such threads become boring very fast and will die in the wastelands, coz no1 will respond anymore.
There is also no need to repeat ones posting like u "sometimes" do in the Library ("Yes, this is right......", or "True, it can be done like this..." and so on...).
State your opinion. Let others state their opinion and wait till a discussion starts. Donīt start it yourself all the time..


in other words, sit down and shut up
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mr_niceguy
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posted May 24, 2006 01:09 PM
Edited by mr_niceguy at 13:10, 24 May 2006.

Quote:
Quote:
Just a hint for you william:
Donīt react (post) on every thread, especially not on threads like this one. If the "victim" doesnīt react, such threads become boring very fast and will die in the wastelands, coz no1 will respond anymore.
There is also no need to repeat ones posting like u "sometimes" do in the Library ("Yes, this is right......", or "True, it can be done like this..." and so on...).
State your opinion. Let others state their opinion and wait till a discussion starts. Donīt start it yourself all the time..


in other words, sit down and shut up
Lets hope he knows the meaning of the words sit down and shut up
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a_rebirthing...
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posted May 24, 2006 01:19 PM

I am back from my absense and i am here to have my say

William, oh my gosh. Hc used to be a nice city and you put so much spam in it that the only was for HC to re build itself is to move 5km down the road

look what you have turned HC into



banned forever takes my vote
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mr_niceguy
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posted May 24, 2006 01:23 PM
Edited by mr_niceguy at 13:23, 24 May 2006.

Its good to see you back ARF, but it is sad that we have to reunite under such sad circumstances.
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Arangar
Arangar


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Weak ranger - lost viking
posted May 24, 2006 01:23 PM

Examples of unnecessary spam:

-You don't have to post all the creatures/abilities in h5 when AoH is a click away.
-Copy/pasting useless info ftw.
-Crying in caps about a floodprotection that will never happen
-Creating polls for every single little thing on your mind.

Here is a tip that will make you more popular on the forum and in real life:
- Buy heroes 5 & Play heroes 5.

Now you are probably wondering why this will give you a better reputation:

Because if you channel all the energy (and time) you spend on this forum into Heroes 5 instead, then you will (doubtless) become a godlike player. This will in turn give you eternal glory and respect from the HoMM community. You're ~15, you were made to play games, not to discuss them (you post when you don't have the time to play)

Spamming and tossing is allowed imo. But all these useless efforts at gathering +qp are getting on my nerves.
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roos
roos

Tavern Dweller
posted May 24, 2006 02:04 PM

i am new here

but i have been reading through and i think william has some really good posts

he knows alot about the stuff hes talking abou and he has alot of opinions

i say let him have his say
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sign up this site is about talking about normal stuff that u want to talk about
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Guitarguy
Guitarguy


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Rockoon.
posted May 24, 2006 02:52 PM
Edited by Guitarguy at 15:19, 24 May 2006.

William needs a lot of improvement. He needs to understand a lot more than he does now. He needs to realize what he does and work at becoming a better poster. He's been given several chances already, I know, and it looks like a bunch of us are still irritated by him.

However, I don't think DS's strategy will work (unless, of course, you don't want to see William post here again). As for "helping" William to improve, I can't see that happening. This poll is designed to satisfy DS and whoever else's wish to be through with William's spam or whatever you'd like to call it. Why don't I think it will help him? Because it'll only make him upset and he'll probably be moved to leave HC in disgust. Only one side will be satisfied, but the other will remain bitter and resentful. William really wants to be here, but I'm afraid he'll ultimately lose out to a powerful majority who cannot tolerate him.

William is still young, and he hasn't been at HC for very long. He probably lacks the knowledge and maturity of years that most of us have. People like DS and Acu have been around for a while now, and folks like Niceguy, PC, and I have been around for at least one year. And what about William? Several months. Even when I joined in November 2004, I was already eighteen years old and in college. I learned the ropes here at HC through both good and bad times. I already possessed some level of maturity because of my age at the time. Folks like PC are closer to William's age, but PC's been here a full year already. And how can I forget how a bunch of members kept picking on him (then A_R_F) for spamming left and right. He reformed, but not after some trying times (right PC?).

In this sense, I'm kind of disappointed by you guys, PC and Niceguy, for your condescending responses. "Sit down and shut up", and the insinuation that William would not know the meaning of that phrase. Why does that remind me of Stiven? Remember when LG and other spammers were targeted by Leo, TA and Stiven a year ago? I don't think you were in any position to speak in the same way. I believe we've lost ourselves in frustration here. We weren't all fine and dandy throughout our entire stay at this forum.

William lacks a lot of support here. I can already tell that this is more of a losing battle for him and that he won't be allowed a chance to improve. In a way, I'm even wondering why there's an option to vote "no" in this poll. This whole scheme just won't work in a benign way for both parties. You guys might not care about how William feels, but it doesn't sit well with me.

DS, I'm not so certain that silencing/banning William will erase all of HC's spam problems. I know you didn't really mean it in that context, but this is something I want to point out. HC will still have spam every now and then, and things might still be "boring" to some members. But if I recall correctly, some people complained about HC being too boring even before William arrived. There must be a bigger solution than just getting rid of one member.

Arangar, buying and playing H5 needn't change anything. On a side note, I highly doubt I'll ever play H5 or even H4 for that matter. Without guiding William in the right direction slowly but surely, what good would that do? I believe the solution requires a collaborative effort and patience from all of us. If everybody is against William and openly expresses that fact, how can anyone expect him to improve?

About a month ago, I said I'd help advise William on his posting and decision making on the forums. I guided him for a while, and he seemed willing to listen to my tips. Unfortunately, I faultered at around finals time, and I kind of left him on his own to do whatever. Had I been persistent in advising him, perhaps he would have continued to improve. Some people need to be guided, as that is their path to improvement and gaining crucial experience. I'll argue that maybe William doesn't have enough mutual support that he requires. And even though I've often sided with him, it can still be very discouraging to William when most other members are far more negative in their thinking. I know that a lot of you have given him tips on how to behave in the past, but perhaps the extention of advice wasn't warm or friendly enough to sink in meaningfully. I know from looking around that a lot of folks tend to speak very bluntly around here. That might not help very much for William, and even I get turned off by it.

Don't get me wrong. I want to see HC thrive and maintain a reasonably spam-free atmosphere. And I agree that William still has a lot to learn in terms of being a member here. I didn't agree with several of his posting decisions, among various other things. Furthermore, I also agree that his bid for modship would be better off when he's been here for a longer while. I just think this is the wrong approach to trying to set things right. Don't let your frustrations at William (however severe) blot out the possibility of a win-win situation. I have that sort of thing envisioned, so why not work towards that?

I've observed Soccerfeva while he was still here and I don't think William's behavior matches SF's. Looking back through the older threads, I've noticed that SF often acted erratically shortly after he repeatedly promised to change. In my dealings with William so far, I know he's a different kind of person. He listens and tries to please when he feels encouraged enough. I'd spoken with SF occasionally on a mostly friend-to-friend level, but I noticed that he was consistently veering off course in his own state of mind. William on the other hand has potential, and I think he can definitely change for the better if we all join in the effort. Patience is what I ask of all of you, since we can achieve great things if we work towards it hard enough. This isn't the easiest thing to do, and it might seem like a very weak plan, but it might just work if we give it an honest go.

Edit:
There are several things about how many HC members act or talk that irks me or even thoroughly pisses me off from time to time, but I try to keep cool and level-headed. I might not appear agitated on the outside, but massive wars can take place inside me. It's difficult to work around these differences, indeed, but I have to try my best to maintain a sense of peace with those around me. Sometimes a little raw initiative is necessary to keep really bad situations from breaking out. So in this sense, I hope everybody can work on their tolerance for William and anybody else who's bugging you.

-Guitarguy
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angelito
angelito


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posted May 24, 2006 03:50 PM

Quote:
...in other words, sit down and shut up

*sigh*
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