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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted June 23, 2007 02:31 PM |
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Let's drop that - while a faction may have a general alignment that it loosely fits, their actions are mostly determined by the current ruler as well as misconceptions. For instance check academy under Cyrus and when Zehir took over. Or the elven under Alaron and in the time of Tuidhana.
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TDL
Honorable
Supreme Hero
The weak suffer. I endure.
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posted June 23, 2007 06:19 PM |
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Then again the alignment system of H4 where the towns were divided into chaos, order, life etc. can be moved on to H5. It would be fairly easy to sort them all, yet some would sound as if redundant for they would not be correct according to the storyline. But, having a closer look we would see that some would fit even two alignments:
Haven - Light, Order (No touchie, everything is proper)
Inferno - Dark, Chaos
Necro - Death (following order in own ways)
Sylvan - Life, Nature
Fortress - Order (speaking about balance, a bit different concept), Neutral
Academy - Magic
Orcs - Might, Neutral
Dark Elves - Shadow (or Dark)
This all gets pretty mixed up, I know. I'd have to draw an octagon to show what is what but i am not too sure if that would make it clearer 
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watcher83
Supreme Hero
Child of Malassa
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posted June 25, 2007 08:19 AM |
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THERE'S IS NO CLASSIC GOOD AND EVIL HERE except the demons and dragonknights ( who aren't even in the game yet)
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ChaosDragon
Famous Hero
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posted June 25, 2007 02:33 PM |
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True. But, who knows in the end that there will be a betrayer dragon knight or a demon that become good people.
My point is, in heroes 5 there is no very fixed classification by evil and good, there is only order againts chaos.
And btw, is this topic about alignment classification?
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Daystar
Honorable
Legendary Hero
Back from the Dead
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posted June 25, 2007 02:57 PM |
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No, but it kinda got there.
The dragon knights are interesting, what all do we know about them?
- Tieru was one
- They had a big fight with the demons a while back and no one knows what happened.
What else?
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watcher83
Supreme Hero
Child of Malassa
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posted June 26, 2007 12:52 PM |
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Quote:
True. But, who knows in the end that there will be a betrayer dragon knight or a demon that become good people.
SARETH for example, may turn good depending on the DM ending
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vigant
Adventuring Hero
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posted June 26, 2007 01:49 PM |
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Daystar
Honorable
Legendary Hero
Back from the Dead
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posted June 26, 2007 01:52 PM |
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Yeah, but he wasn't a dragon knight. If he was, I say vote him off the island.
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watcher83
Supreme Hero
Child of Malassa
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posted June 26, 2007 04:04 PM |
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My example was for demon who turns good.
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Silinrul
Tavern Dweller
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posted June 26, 2007 08:27 PM |
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I`m sorry to dismay some of the people around...but, no matter what world we are in, there will always be GOOD and EVIL, ORDER and CHAOS.
We have to take into considerations all these facts. It is true, that some factions might switch from one alignment to another, but they will not completely give up their initial alignment.
For instance, Haven is a faction that follows Elrath, at least theoretically. Some of its people, can be easily corrupted, and those people will be influenced by chaos elements.
My idea, is that this is the basic alignment of each faction, as TDL also summed them.
Haven - Lawful Good
Fortress - Lawful Neutral
Sylvan - Neutral Good
Academy - True Neutral (Yes, Cyrus showed this, and his son only helped the other factions because his own interests were at hand, typical for true neutrals and neutrals alike)
Bastion - True Neutral
Inferno - Chaotic Evil
Necropolis - Lawful Evil
Dungeon - Neutral Evil
Sure, one side might shift from one side to another, from time to time, but their core will be still there. The 'core' is the second part of their alignment.
So Renegades are Chaotic Good, taking the devotion a step too far (at least the usual troops, because their leaders are, of course, chaotic evil).
Academy was kinda Neutral Good, in the campaigns, but still , they are neutral at their core.
Necropolis was lawful evil throughout the campaign.
Dungeon 's case is harder, but their core is evil, nuff said. They joined forces witht he others, just because Raelag's interests were at hand. He didn't leave the demon army for the "love of the world", but to save Isabel and to be with her.
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watcher83
Supreme Hero
Child of Malassa
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posted June 27, 2007 10:58 AM |
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This world doesn't have good/evil and order/chaos factions because it resembles much of how real nations war upon each other or make alliances (interests& sometimes friendship)
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ZodkayCudimraZ
Adventuring Hero
We are Gilraenites
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posted June 27, 2007 01:47 PM |
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Good and evil all depends on what you're morals and ethics are. 
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted June 27, 2007 02:03 PM |
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Edited by Elvin at 14:04, 27 Jun 2007.
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'Evil is a point of view, Anakin.'
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War-overlord
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Presidente of Isla del Tropico
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posted June 27, 2007 02:16 PM |
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In the end, it comes down to people making decisions for themselves and people having problems with those decisions.
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Homer171
Promising
Supreme Hero
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posted June 27, 2007 05:22 PM |
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All fanctions has their own beliefs.
Haven - Piece Makers (Typical American Syndrome. "There are bad guys and then there are the Americans")
Sylvan - Grass Sniffers (Hippie Community)
Academy - Tea Drinkers (Yeah Mages likes give good tea parties. Can't be bad right?
Dungeon - Goths (Wears Black and nothing more than Black. Big sisters of Emo kids)
Necropolis - Gay Society (Hated by mortal mans these new Pink soldiers has fought their way to freedom)
Fortress - Irish Drunken Bastards (Bums of the sociaty don't give a damn what is hapening in outside world)
Inferno - Lawyers (Expensive little raskals whit one way ticket to Hell)
Bastion - Criminals (Often screwd by their own Lawyers and now they hafto sit long sentence because of it)
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SwampLord
Supreme Hero
Lord of the Swamp
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posted June 27, 2007 06:00 PM |
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If I see one more American joke, I'm going to...do bad things.
((JK, it may not be that funny to me, but you poor, non-American people probably think it's funny.))
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Homer171
Promising
Supreme Hero
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posted June 27, 2007 09:23 PM |
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Sorry if i offendet you SwampLord i have nothing againts american civilians. It's the coverment/army what i disslike. I can picture Paladins as their Tanks... Oh darn now i'm doing it again 
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ChaosDragon
Famous Hero
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posted June 27, 2007 09:34 PM |
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Imo, to be realistic, evil and good are easier to be switched than order and chaos, that's why, personally i consider the most important thing is order and chaos, as in real life, one can change from evil to good or good to evil easier than changing his side from order to chaos or chaos to order. I myself find it harder to switch my chaotic behaviour to orderly behaviour, but i can easily switch from good to evil or evil to good whenever i want.
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watcher83
Supreme Hero
Child of Malassa
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posted June 28, 2007 07:53 AM |
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lawyer joke? If I weren't one I'd laugh.
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Daystar
Honorable
Legendary Hero
Back from the Dead
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posted June 28, 2007 02:13 PM |
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Grasssniffers, Lawyers, Criminals, Excellent post!
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