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OOPMan
OOPMan


Adventuring Hero
posted June 02, 2006 05:03 PM

Hmmmmm, have to agree with the last poster there. I am more interested in the modding possibilities presented by console access than the cheating thing.

My attitudes:

Cheating in SP: Mostly silly, unless you reaaaalllly realllly reallllly can't finish campaign map X and just want to get on with the game's story. Given that the storylines have never been a major draw in Heroes for me, however, I don't even see the point of doign this. Cheating in FFA scenarios and the like is also kinda silly, since you're not improving you skills.

Overall: SP cheating is mostly silly, sometimes justifiable...

Cheating in MP: Cheating in MP is more than just silly, but a lot of posted reactions have fallen into the silly category. Trying to suppress a post about console usage because you're afraid it will encourage cheating is like trying to ban books because some of them are full of crap. Fears of MP cheating are valid, but they also need to be approached with a level head. If you find an MP exploit then you should let the developers know so that it can be patched. Oh and a final thing: If someone is winning a lot it's not necessarily because they're cheating. There's also the possibility that they might actually just be very good. Accusing someone of cheating simply because they have a large number of victories only illustrates a flaw in one's own personality...

Overall: MP cheating is always a problem, but trying to ban threads and accusing people without evidence are not solutions. Try to keep your head attached...

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Nebuka
Nebuka


Promising
Supreme Hero
Save me Jebus!
posted June 02, 2006 05:51 PM

Now we need two volunteers to go online and try these cheats in a game between them. And tell if they actually work.
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kreszantas
kreszantas


Adventuring Hero
TOH Coordinator
posted June 02, 2006 06:12 PM

An Explaination

Now when I created the topic in ToH thread related to this post was the fact to make ToH'ers aware that this activity was going on.  I have many years of first hand knowledge of how people need "cheats" to make up for a lack of being able to play with what they are given, or to make the game go faster.

My statement has always been if you are made aware that there is a possiblity of cheating that exists then, you are responisble to yourself to make sure that you know how it can be done and to know how to defend yourself against it.

If you know your enemy its easier to defeat it, if you dont and it silently kills you in your sleep.  Then you have no one to blame but yourself.

Education is the key to ignorance, that was the purpose behind the ToH based post related to this thread.  If anyone wants to bash anyone let them be me for the fact that I am not going to say what Curio did is right or wrong by this thread.  It was meant as a warning to anyone who plays in ToH as a way of defending themselves in event this activity occurs.

During my time as a ToH coordinator I had in a H3 game where in the chat box a player tried to use one of the many 'codes' mistyped it and it came up in the overall window... oops busted... and he quickly dropped and never returned, as I quickly deleted him from ToH.  (this was while Ves was away)
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friendofgunnar
friendofgunnar


Honorable
Legendary Hero
able to speed up time
posted June 02, 2006 06:37 PM

There's something I'm not understanding here.  Wouldn't it be possible to write a computer program that would automatically check the files for cheating?  Something that looks at all the parameters and compares it to previous save game files to see if anything outrageous or unlikely has happened.

When you look at Equilibris, Wog, and all the other hacks that sprout like mushrooms wouldn't it be possible to hire one of these talents to write a program to just examine all the parameters and "highlight" any suspicious stuff.  I mean the prize for the graphics contest for TOH was 500 dollars and it went unrewarded. Couldn't that 500 go to someone to write a program similar to what I'm talking about?  If a contest organizer was to put some money behind this I think they could easily cleanup all but the most determined.

just some thoughts...

Interestingly, the oldest thread here on the HC boards has to do with cheaters on TOH.  Can't find the linkie though and have no idea how to look...

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angelito
angelito


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Undefeatable Hero
proud father of a princess
posted June 02, 2006 07:15 PM

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...Interestingly, the oldest thread here on the HC boards has to do with cheaters on TOH.  Can't find the linkie though and have no idea how to look...

Here u are.
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bjorn190
bjorn190


Responsible
Supreme Hero
Jebus maker
posted June 02, 2006 07:32 PM

times like this I miss diablo 2  it was online

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Aculias
Aculias


Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
posted June 02, 2006 09:31 PM

WHy do you think Heroes 5 campaigns are hrs long.
So we can enjoy hrs of fun factor.
Why you guys find it fun to beat a campaign in minutes is beyond me.
WHy do you think when you buy a roleplaying game etc you see how many hrs it takes to beat the game.
So you wont have to beat it in only a hour.

Who are these clowns anyways, these guys who we dont know insulting everyone because they want thier cheats approved.
Rediculas.
So which commuter is going to come on in thier defense this time.
Ronald McDonald

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Gus
Gus


Known Hero
Not-So-Bright Crusader
posted June 02, 2006 09:48 PM

Why are you so aggressive ? Who are you to decide if someone SHOULD spend hours on something ? Casual gamers have a right to play too, you know ? Not everyone can be teh uber pwnz0r. Gratz for being, but leave the option to cheat for people who want it (and no, i'm not one of these, because i have too much free time on my hands).

Even if you're some RPG-nazi who can't understand that, you should at least understand that the best way to counter possible MP cheats is to investigate what's possible to do with the game, instead of plugging your ears and blinding your eyes screaming "LALALA CHEATS ARE BAD".

=)

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Aculias
Aculias


Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
posted June 02, 2006 09:54 PM

I am noy saying that anyone should spend hrs on a game or not, it's your choice.
I am saying, thats why they made the game(s) like that.
So we wont be beating it in 2 minutes & we can enjoy hrs of fun.
Thats why they make any RPG or Adbenture games etc.

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Gus
Gus


Known Hero
Not-So-Bright Crusader
posted June 02, 2006 09:56 PM

I understand that, and that's what _I_ enjoy in a game as well, and i see no point in sweeping a map with 100 Emerald Dragons on day 3.

BUT... why should i care if some people DO enjoy doing that in SP ? I couldn't care less, and you should not care either... Let them ruin the game (as you feel it) or enjoy it more the way they want.

I, of course, agree that in MP, cheats are lame, and that's why people need to understand them:
- to work on countering/detecting cheats.
- to know what to expect and be more aware of the danger.

That's why i don't understand why you're being so aggressive towards the OP... If he was a MP-cheating scumbag, do you think he'd have posted that here, or rather on some underground H5-cheaters forum ?

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Guldan
Guldan


Adventuring Hero
Soon to be banned...........
posted June 03, 2006 08:07 AM

Quote:
I am noy saying that anyone should spend hrs on a game or not, it's your choice.[quote/]

Correct, i think so too.

Quote:
I am saying, thats why they made the game(s) like that.
So we wont be beating it in 2 minutes & we can enjoy hrs of fun.
Thats why they make any RPG or Adbenture games etc.


I do not think this is right, if we will all be honoust then the games are not made for us, but for the developers to bring in cash, i think this is 100% true, just think about it. Ofcourse will no one buy a game if it is playable in 2 minutes, so they have to make a game which will last several hours. And i personally would rather have 10 minutes fun (with cheats or whatever) then 10 hours of having a really hard time and not liking it (without cheats and replaying every level several times), games are not a test to see how good you are, but something to do after school or work, or just in our spare time.

Ofcourse this is my opinion, and in the futute I will try to react a bit better then my previous posts

And lets make one thing clear, i DO NOT Aprove cheats im mp games, there are rules and most rules are to be followed! In sp it is your own choice. (this is actually also what i meant in my first post in this thread, but because of my bad english i get sometimes misunderstood) And yes i use sometimes cheats, i just like to see what happes with 1000 phoenixes and 1000 devils but i do not play mp, so it is my own choice.

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Valeriy
Valeriy

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Naughty, Naughty Valeriy
posted June 03, 2006 10:10 PM

Thread cleaned. This forum is not for spam and insults are not allowed at Heroes Community. Warning to Aculias for posting and provoking spam.
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Snap
Snap


Hired Hero
posted June 04, 2006 12:39 AM

If Nival didn't disable console commands in MP, that would the height of idiocy on their part.  I would give them the benefit of the doubt.  But if it's the case that the cheats are possible in MP, the thing to do is not to shoot the messanger but to pressure Nival to fix the problem ASAP.

Cheats in SP should be left in.  Among other things, cheats are invaluable for mapmakers, for debugging the game, and for experimentation with game features, like different spells and abilities.

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Guldan
Guldan


Adventuring Hero
Soon to be banned...........
posted June 04, 2006 10:19 AM

Make sure you pasted the line:

'setvar dev_console_password = schwinge-des-todes" after menu (this stands in the document too.)

Then restart the game AND make sure you typ it 100% good, else it wont work.

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Curio
Curio


Hired Hero
posted June 04, 2006 11:17 AM

Thanks kindly to the people more willing to give me the benefit of the doubt! First day I sign onto the boards, and I'm labelled a horrible scumbag whose agenda is apparently to spread the boundaries of loserdom.

But as someone said, if I really wanted to cause some grief, I'd keep this knowledge within a small group, say my loser friends or something, and we'd cause some trouble. Truth of the matter is, I don't MP Heroes, never had, but I've always loved it with friends over for a hotseat / LAN. What's better than playing with people you know and trust? Having them over at the same time, of course!

So why'd I research, personally test, and compile the document? Must I apologize for a love of getting into the guts of things? I love seeing how things work, and while I won't claim to be some hardcore modder, I dabble in it from time to time, and know enough to point beginners in the right direction.

At this point in the game, it's very buggy, and the SP campaign AI is either downright stupid or insanely difficult with the considerable bonuses afforded them. People wanted cheats; the patch can't come fast enough with all the reports of major bugs. I'm sorry I wanted to help?

Again, believe it or not, I was unaware of ToH, and despite what many may think of me as a result of all this, I profess to and practice MP honour--sure, I don't MP this, but as an aside, I MP Guild Wars sometimes, and part of the draw of that title is its lack of cheats and hacks like invincibility or godly damage or item duplication that is rampant in other online games. Nothing bothers me more than losing under suspicious circumstances; I meant this release for SP, and then of course it gets twisted into something else...stuff always seems to.

Now that it's more common knowledge, the problem's out in the open. Meaning, it's early yet--the game's not even a month old!--I'd bet on my life that it gets addressed.
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Guldan
Guldan


Adventuring Hero
Soon to be banned...........
posted June 04, 2006 11:25 AM

I cant blame you for posting cheats, i also like to experiment with games (and yes that includes cheating!) but also looking for bugs etc.

And do not think (meant for everyone) that without the cheats posted here, no one would have found em, when you typ "homm 5 cheats" at google you get 95400 results. I bet they were there somewhere too.

And you all know

Cheat mp

Cheat sp or perhaps a liitle bit

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dk186
dk186

Tavern Dweller
posted June 04, 2006 04:57 PM

wow.. it's not that big of a deal if someone wants to cheat is it?
we DO have some freedoms last time i checked.
if you don't want to cheat or look at cheats, don't enter a thread titled cheat etc.
i'm sure developers won't allow cheat in online play.
as for hacks, ppl hack even when there are no cheats.

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Gnoll_Mage
Gnoll_Mage


Responsible
Supreme Hero
posted June 04, 2006 06:19 PM

I'm surprised there's such an uprising here, although I will admit that I don't have any multiplayer experience either. Cheating helps me to get the best out of many games. If I cannot do it myself I am losing out on the experience of the part I have yet to reach, so my enjoyment is not as large as it could be! If I want to use cheats in single player then it is my decision of course, as has been pointed out. For random maps I don't see the point but campaigns are okay, as are other games that you can't do (I'm hopeless at real time rpg).

I can understand a little the problems with cheating online, but I guess there will always be this sort of person in the world who spoils the experience for others. I guess the solution is to permanently disable / allow the disabling of cheating in multiplayer.


Anyway, everyone's entitled to their own opinion, that's what makes people them. And Curio I hope people's hostilities haven't put you off becoming part of the community, as I know they can. Might I say that if I had the game I would download your cheats right away and use them to maximise my enjoyment of HV, whatever that might take. Quite possibly I would set up certain games when I just cheat and play around, as a contrast to normal games. Or maybe I would allow myself to cheat periodically to aid myself on a higher difficulty setting than the one I'd normally choose, to create the perfectly balanced challenge.
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angelito
angelito


Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
proud father of a princess
posted June 04, 2006 06:42 PM

Quote:
...I can understand a little the problems with cheating online, but I guess there will always be this sort of person in the world who spoils the experience for others. I guess the solution is to permanently disable / allow the disabling of cheating in multiplayer.
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Correct me if i am wrong, but in my opinion, there wouldnīt be cheating in multiplayer, if there wouldnīt exist cheats in singleplayer.

And itīs prolly correct, everybody can do on singleplayer whatever he wants. But in my eyes, it is a short step from cheating vs the AI and using cheats in multiplayer. If u canīt beat the AI, how will u ever beat a human player then?

And the reason, why they implement "Easy" or "Normal" settings in such games is, to make it possible for every kind of player to reach the end of the campaigns / maps. So no Cheats needed for that....
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Guldan
Guldan


Adventuring Hero
Soon to be banned...........
posted June 04, 2006 06:58 PM

Quote:
Quote:
...I can understand a little the problems with cheating online, but I guess there will always be this sort of person in the world who spoils the experience for others. I guess the solution is to permanently disable / allow the disabling of cheating in multiplayer.
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Correct me if i am wrong, but in my opinion, there wouldnīt be cheating in multiplayer, if there wouldnīt exist cheats in singleplayer.

And itīs prolly correct, everybody can do on singleplayer whatever he wants. But in my eyes, it is a short step from cheating vs the AI and using cheats in multiplayer. If u canīt beat the AI, how will u ever beat a human player then?

And the reason, why they implement "Easy" or "Normal" settings in such games is, to make it possible for every kind of player to reach the end of the campaigns / maps. So no Cheats needed for that....


You are 100% right, but do not forget a important aspect of cheating, which is actually the fun of it. You have in mind that all cheats used are just to eliminate the opponent, cause you cant win on the normal way, but even without an opponent, cheating can be used (and is fun that way) because you can get stuff you else will never get. Cause if you can give me a way to get a 1000 archdevils and a 1000 archangels at the same time (to see which are the best, or just to feel mighty) please do so! And even with normal/hard etc. settings games can be too tough sometimes. And an ai, with the correct settings, just cant make an error, humans will and can always make errors.

And i guess a world without cheats is the same as a world without hunger of poor people, a rot piece would be gone, but we probably cant do without em. Just see it as jing and jang, evil and good. (i read this in a book, i would never have come up it myself)


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