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ThE_HyDrA
ThE_HyDrA


Admirable
Famous Hero
The Leader of all Hydras
posted September 17, 2001 10:41 AM
Edited By: ThE_HyDrA on 17 Sep 2001

New Creatures

Much of these new creatures don't really fit into the fantasy category of this game (which it is supposed to be) like the Mantis and the Dragon Golem. These creatres look like a little fill in so that it can make up creature numbers, and reduce redundancy.(And 3DO said that they were going to reduce redundancy) With 3 dragons!!! That's as many as H3! (without the upgrades)

My ideas for other neautrals:

Chimera (Lion Body, snake tail, eagle head.)
Griffin!! It is missing!!(I think, correct me if i'm wrong!!)
Roc (powerful bird. This is actually the one in fantasy, not the Thunderbird!)

I think these creatures would be better than Dragon Golems and Mantis.
Whats your opinion????
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Nova
Nova

Tavern Dweller
posted September 17, 2001 11:05 AM

The only thing I hope will be done is #@$@#ng LEPRECHAUNS REMOVED!!! God, what they were thinking about???
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Preserver
Preserver


Promising
Famous Hero
Elemental Druid
posted September 17, 2001 03:30 PM

I think there are many creatures missing! Not only chimera, griffin and roc. But you have read my expansion pack proposal, so you know the others (I think mantis are OK)

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Ash-NIR
Ash-NIR


Known Hero
the Black Warlock
posted September 17, 2001 04:46 PM

griffins were the trademark of erathia... erathia is now gone so..
chimera was never in so it can't be "missing", it could be a great addition though...  btw:it has a goat's head not an eagle's one...
rocs are out?



as for the new entries:
leprechaun: kill it!
mantis: cool and a great killer
mech dragon: time will tell
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Darion
Darion


Promising
Famous Hero
posted September 18, 2001 04:43 AM

Personally 3do is really disgusting me... although I know they have worked hard to make this product, it is really not turning out good at all. If it isn't broke, then don't fix it you know? I seriously would not care if they dumped some of these new dumb creatures and brought back the old ones. Get rid of the mantis, dragon golem, peasant, venom spawn, demon etc. and bring them back from Heroes 3 which looked a whole ton better.

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Camelnor
Camelnor


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Also known as Blue Camel
posted September 18, 2001 05:22 AM

whats wrong w/leprechauns?

why not leprechauns? they were in the h3 garden thingies, so why not make them a troop?  i think they are much more plausable than the dragon golem...

also, i welcome the new changes... if they didnt make a buncha changes, it wouldnt be a new game...


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niteshade
niteshade


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posted September 18, 2001 07:30 AM

While I agree that leprechauns are fine to be included in the game, it seems odd to say that little green men who live in piles of gold and use lucky magic are somehow more realistic then magicaly animated dragon golems. Are you saying that in real life leprechauns exist and dragon golems do not?

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ThE_HyDrA
ThE_HyDrA


Admirable
Famous Hero
The Leader of all Hydras
posted September 18, 2001 09:09 AM

Hmm

Yeah, i think that Leprechauns should be included. Another creature which should be brought back are the trolls. They were really cool in Heroes2!!
I'm glad Cyclops are back at the top too.
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LordPaul
LordPaul


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Crazy Bat Guy.
posted September 18, 2001 10:21 AM


Huh.  When you hear a few of these complaints about changes, it makes me wonder why they should even make a sequal.  If you still want Griffons in Castle, and 8 towns, and 7 levels, why don't you just play Heroes 3?

Sure, some of the changes are a little out there.  But if there were no changes and they only kept the creatures from previous games, then it wouldn't be a sequal, but an expansion.

A giant Mantis is mythical, because it sure as heck isn't real.  Why shouldn't Leperchauns fight?  Why would't some mage get together and try to make the ultimate golemn, a dragon golemn if you will.  Makes sense to me.  

I, too, would like Griphons and the like.  But when I get that urge, I just go play Heroes 3.  
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Starfox
Starfox

Tavern Dweller
posted September 18, 2001 02:32 PM

art quality is not even


I think the mantis looks great and look like more than a match to most heroes / creature

I dont care much for the leprechaun. He sure looks weird but it's kinda funny.

The dragon golem is weird, we all agree.

But I'm very excited about the vampire!! it means they're back!! excellent news.

I also believe that some monsters look good while most are ok and some really sux. I dont want to be mean but I think some 3DO artists are not that great (this is my personaly opinion but I was looking at unreal 2 latest screenshots and Disciples 2 screenshot and geez!! you can see the difference!). I would be curious to know who designed the cool looking monsters (like the "ice" elemental and the mantis for ie) and who did the lame ones (the halfling, the black dragon's head sux, the head's upper half is japanese, the lower part is classic), the monk is not great, so is the wolf with its weird too long jaw...)
Honestly I think visually all monsters have not the same quality. Besides the 3D makes look like very stiff. I dont like it much. Fortunately they will appear much smaller in the actual game so...

just my 2 cents
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niteshade
niteshade


Known Hero
posted September 18, 2001 05:40 PM

Well about art quality, remember we aren't normaly going to be looking at these giant expanded pictures of the monsters. Sometimes a creature that looks great when it's little and tiny doesn't look as great when it's blown up to huge size. So you really can't judge the creature's appearance much at all until you see him in the actual game.

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Djive
Djive


Honorable
Supreme Hero
Zapper of Toads
posted September 18, 2001 09:20 PM

Griffins were already in HoMM II but then in the Dungeon instead of Castle.

Both Rocs and Griffins should be in. Yeah, I know they have the Thunderbird, but otherwise there seems to be too few mid-level flying creatures. Rocs and Thunderbirds are different creatures.

Trolls seems to be back although difficult to be sure. Unfortunately, I'd like to see the big bulky stone-throwing Trolls rather than the HoMM III meek looking versions.

I'd agree with niteshade about the model quality. I don't care about how the full size model looks. As long the picture on the combat screen looks good enough I couldn't care less on how the original huge-size model looked.

When it comes to animation quality the animations in HoMM II are in many cases better than HoMM III which are pale shadows. One of the factors for HoMM II looking better is the size of animated pictures. The animated pictures in HoMM III are too small. The ideas that went into HoMM II with the cartoonish look was a very good one that fitted this game well.
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Gerdash
Gerdash


Responsible
Famous Hero
from the Animated Peace
posted September 18, 2001 10:01 PM

imagine *recruiting* an army of leprechauns and *conquering* a town with them. the leprechauns are cool enough imho, but this is just way too much.. i hope they remain neutral, or else it's a rape imho.
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ThE_HyDrA
ThE_HyDrA


Admirable
Famous Hero
The Leader of all Hydras
posted September 18, 2001 11:35 PM

Creatures

It could remain neutral, but most likely the Leprechaun is going into preserve. As for the trolls, i agree, the trolls should throw boulders and look pretty strong.
Also the bandit is much like a rogue from H2, they just decided to change the name.
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The_Baal
The_Baal


Hired Hero
The God Of Fire
posted September 19, 2001 05:01 AM


I like your idea. I think there should a few new water creatures.
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The_Baal
The_Baal


Hired Hero
The God Of Fire
posted September 19, 2001 05:05 AM


I'm with you all the way about leprechauns and I also don't like the mantis.
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Gerdash
Gerdash


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Famous Hero
from the Animated Peace
posted September 20, 2001 07:19 PM
Edited By: Gerdash on 20 Sep 2001

is there a good reason why the white tiger has to be in the stronghold with the barbarians rather than in the preserve? some barbarian mythology or sth?

i would rather see a reason why the wolf would suit the barbarians better. also, wolves aren't endangered species, at least in siberia there should be more than enough of them, so why should they have to be in the preserve? maybe the mantis would suit the sprite on level one, so that there would be a free slot for the tiger on level 3? also, has anyone heard about mantis being a mythological creature (other than the starship troopers mythology, of course)? speaking of insect mythology, i have only heard about the spider, the scorpion and the scarabeus.
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Kruel
Kruel


Adventuring Hero
Gropabo
posted September 20, 2001 07:24 PM

Quote:
is there a good reason why the white tiger has to be in the stronghold with the barbarians rather than in the preserve? some barbarian mythology or sth?


There's nothing sure about that, in the last few screenshots the white tigers were fighting on the preserve side, and i'm now pretty sure they're gonna be the preserve's 2d level, the dwelling being that cave with the red eyes in it.

Kruel

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Gerdash
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Famous Hero
from the Animated Peace
posted September 20, 2001 08:12 PM
Edited By: Gerdash on 20 Sep 2001

in the celestialheavens page, in the third piece of news, the creatures are arranged by towns. the white tiger is in the stronghold there, and i assume this is not by mistake.

there are loads of mythology about wolves (e.g. the werewolves) that i would rather associate wit the barbarians than with the elves. the wolves were allied with the goblins in tolkien's stories, weren't they? anyone knows any mythology where the wolves were associated with the elves? there is also a lot of mythology about tigers, especially among the oriental people, and the architecture of the preserve looks bit oriental to me.

p.s.
btw i am not seriously making fun of the mantis (at least not yet), this is just the way i am used to talk. i know many people like the mantis a lot (and the zerg have also been my favourite in another game). what i think about the mantis is that it might look better if it was bit smaller, and that it's color might be changed to brownish like the color of the sprite, instead of the bright green that imho gives an unsavoury combination with the colors of the other creatures in the preserve.

it's the tiger that i am interested in atm..
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Preserver
Preserver


Promising
Famous Hero
Elemental Druid
posted September 20, 2001 08:39 PM

Reactie van Incubus!

Mantis. Don't ever say the mantis suck! It may be my own idea! Look at this picture i sent them a while ago!





could be possible i am in the credits! So respect my favorite!

white tiger.. They are NOT preserve.. White tigers live in SNOW MOUNTAINS.. not in jungle forests... They also don't have GREEN eyes like in that cave.. they have blue.. they prefer cold and preserve is warm...
If it is i think 3do made a mistake then.. In that screenshots are also cyclops.. they are from STRONGHOLD.. so you never know.. Also the Leprechaun are neutrall.

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