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Fofa
Famous Hero
Famous? Me?!
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posted June 19, 2006 06:55 AM |
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If the Wraith is supposed to be death itself, than how come you can kill them? 
As for the "Wraiths as a Level 7" issue, I just don't CARE!
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detheroc
Adventuring Hero
noticed my 2 weeks miss?
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posted June 19, 2006 08:55 AM |
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Well, actually you don't kill them, their death animation is a sort of banish, so they don't get actually killed 
As for the main problem of this thread, hey don't mind the wraiths, if someone is nostalgic and wants the DK back, I think that there's a mod that does this. 
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JoonasTo
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
What if Elvin was female?
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posted June 19, 2006 09:00 AM |
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Any knowledge from where to find that mod?
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Thanatos
Known Hero
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posted June 19, 2006 11:53 AM |
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Death Knight special ability is surely over-powered.
Imagine that you split 4 Death Knights in 4 groups, and surround 1000 Archangels, the chance to destroy at least 500 Archangels is 68.4%, and chance to destroy at leat 750 Archangels is 21.1%.
In H3, 11 Mighty Gorgons have 68.6% chance to kill at least 1 Archangel, and 33.8% chance to kill at least 2 Archangel.
Conlusion: this is not Warcraft III!
Wraith is OK in H5. Some say they should have Vorpal Sword ability, then I say they lose the ability to dispel buffs on strike. Some say they should have Might Gorgon's Death Stare, then I say reduce their HP, attack and initiate. Some say they should be level 7, than how about Spectre Dragons? We know that in H5, Dragons are Gods! So no matter Wraith is death itself or not, Spectre Dragon is the Dead God itself, and should be placed above Wraith.
Your average dragons are not gods, in the Emerald Dragon description you can read that they are the "children of Sylanna" or something along those lines.
Bone and Spectral Dragons are simply the reanimated remains of Green, Emerald, Deep and Black Dragons and not children of Asha so yes, IMO it makes perfect sense that the Wraith could/ should be Necro's lvl. 7 
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Fuzzier
Adventuring Hero
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posted June 19, 2006 02:33 PM |
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Your average dragons are not gods, in the Emerald Dragon description you can read that they are the "children of Sylanna" or
something along those lines.
If you ever played Dungeon campaign, you should see that they worship a shadow dragon who's a daughter of Malassa - the elemental dragon of shadow. Even if they're not major elemental Dragon Gods, they're at least Minor-Gods or Demi-Gods, and worshipped by corresponding factions.
In the Myth of Creation, all mortal races are created as servants of the Dragon Gods.
Then how about Wraith? The Death itself? Then how can mortals hurt them, or even destroy them? And which Dragon God says they are the Death itself/themselves? IMO, your average Wraith are not Death itself, but rather agents of Death, and should remain at level 6.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted June 19, 2006 04:08 PM |
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Any knowledge from where to find that mod?
Try here: http://www.celestialheavens.com/viewpage.php?id=527
It didn't work at first but I think they have fixed it now.Read the comments if you still cannot make it work.
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alcibiades
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
of Gold Dragons
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posted June 19, 2006 04:50 PM |
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Your average dragons are not gods, in the Emerald Dragon description you can read that they are the "children of Sylanna" or
something along those lines.
If you ever played Dungeon campaign, you should see that they worship a shadow dragon who's a daughter of Malassa - the elemental dragon of shadow. Even if they're not major elemental Dragon Gods, they're at least Minor-Gods or Demi-Gods, and worshipped by corresponding factions.
In the Myth of Creation, all mortal races are created as servants of the Dragon Gods.
Then how about Wraith? The Death itself? Then how can mortals hurt them, or even destroy them? And which Dragon God says they are the Death itself/themselves? IMO, your average Wraith are not Death itself, but rather agents of Death, and should remain at level 6.
I don't think the thing with Wraiths being "dead itself" should be taken literally. Yes, they are formed over the usual allegory of the man who reaps / the man with the scythe - but I think it's more like "it means certain death if you face the Wraith".
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TGeorge
Tavern Dweller
Warlock
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posted June 19, 2006 11:11 PM |
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Well if you want to replace Wraiths with Death Knights and Bone Dragons with Wraiths you're free to do it . I have no problem with Bone dragons beeing a lvl 7 unit...I like dragons  . Also I think necro is kind of balanced as it is...it has weaker units but in larger numbers...oposite to dungeon wich has better quality units but in lower numbers.
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karim26
Known Hero
Land of Snowfall & Sunshine
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posted June 22, 2006 07:02 PM |
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*sigh*
people.....people.....
I am starting to realize that it's those same people that trashed H4, and are doing the same to H5, comparing to H3.
If you dont enjoy H5, then dont play it.
If you live in the past and enjoy H3, then play that.
darn.
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Arstahd
Adventuring Hero
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posted June 23, 2006 01:32 AM |
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Edited by VokialBG at 17:38, 10 Jan 2008.
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sigh
Yet another self important mod basher who "knows" that his way is the only proper way to play this game. What is it with you people? If you think the game is fine as is, well good for you! The $50 that you spent was obviously worth it. However, there are a large number of people that are unsatisfied with a game that shipped only 75% complete, has glaring imbalances, and countless interface annoyances. If a mod can improve one's enjoyment of the game who are you care?
If you don't enjoy mods, stay out of the mod forum.
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karim26
Known Hero
Land of Snowfall & Sunshine
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posted June 23, 2006 09:55 PM |
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hmmm.....did you take your pill today?
dude,
take a pill
Who do you MOD this for anyways? Your little click?
Equilibris, now they did a good job with modding. Even set up a website, so EVERYONE could download it.
The problem with modders like you is that in a few months time, there will be so many mods out there that you will confuse newcomers.
And besides, your prolly just a single player and have never played online.
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Arstahd
Adventuring Hero
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posted June 24, 2006 02:30 AM |
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Edited by Arstahd at 02:31, 24 Jun 2006.
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dude,
take a pill
If there was a pill that would get rid of annoying know-it-alls from the internet who insist that their way is the only right way of doing something, I'd have taken it long ago.
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Who do you MOD this for anyways? Your little click?
I mod for myself primarily. Although, being the generous sort, if I feel that my work would be of interest to others, I like to make it available.
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Equilibris, now they did a good job with modding. Even set up a website, so EVERYONE could download it.
And your point is? In addition to hosting them myself, my mods are also being hosted by several other sites, in multiple countries. Distribution isn't much of a problem.
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The problem with modders like you is that in a few months time, there will be so many mods out there that you will confuse newcomers.
Ah, I get it now. Modding is too confusing for people like you and in order to maintain self esteem and avoid hurt feelings, all modders should stop what they are doing.
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And besides, your prolly just a single player and have never played online.
Since H5 online play isn't worth a hill of beans, I hardly see how you can feel superior to those who enjoy playing an entire game to completion by themselves or with some live flesh and blood friends.
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Millsy
Tavern Dweller
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posted June 24, 2006 02:57 AM |
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Ma_trix
Adventuring Hero
Carpe Diem
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posted June 24, 2006 04:17 PM |
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@ Karim26
The main target of modders worksop is creating one big mod that would balance, fix some problems and add some nice faetures to HoMM V. As i understanded, the best singular mods would be included in this big mod to create one platform for many people to play through net together (cause HoMM V with mods has different check sum <i dunno if it's called like that in english>.
I dunno, why you've got problem with modders... You've got some sort of complexes? I'll paraphrase your words : 'If you don't enjoy playing/making mods, just don't use them/create them/visit pages about modding'
I don' want to offtop by all my post so i'll writ sth about this topic.
Great mod changing a lot with wraiths, death knights and their leves has been created by Arstahd and i think that if anything more should be changed in wraith or death knight it should be done with his mod as the base. IMHO it would be really great to replace 6th and 7th tier creatures in Necropolis with those from mod, but they should be balanced.
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sfidanza
Promising
Supreme Hero
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posted June 24, 2006 07:13 PM |
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Edited by sfidanza at 19:15, 24 Jun 2006.
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As Ma_trix just said, Arstahd's Dark Knights Mod is a pretty well done job (well, I'll be testing it soon, but it seems so at least ). And anybody interesting to have the death knight in the Necropolis faction should give it a try:
http://heroescommunity.com/viewthread.php3?TID=18553
After testing it, I'll add it to the mod page on AoH, if it's okay with you, Arstahd.
Now, I hope that little argument above between Karim26 and Arstahd is over, or I'll have to end it myself, by deleting those posts. If you want to argue, use HCM. I'm serious.
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karim26
Known Hero
Land of Snowfall & Sunshine
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posted June 25, 2006 03:23 AM |
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I apologize
I am sorry about the tone that I used. The delivery of my message wasnt objective; where it should have been.
Ill tell you why. I have been playing in ToH for about 4 years now. And I did download Equilibris patches up to the most recent one, 3.51 for Heroes IV.
My concern is that for tournament play, what if there are like hundreds of mods out there?? And people start picking and choosing mods. DOesnt that divide people?
You must have heard of the Equilibris patch. It was great, and also very easy to download.
Some online games like Call of Duty and Ghost Recon for example have dozens of mods, which makes it very frustrating for a player to try and join those servers where these mods are used.
That was my point.
ANd yes, I shouldnt have written in this thread. I am waaaay off topic. It just so happened that I was reading through the community stuff and came about this mods topic.
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Homer171
Promising
Supreme Hero
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posted June 26, 2006 06:12 AM |
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Dark Knights Mod is truly awesome! Perfect for necro lv6 creature! And lv7 should be Wraith!! Whit very low statics like Bonies! NOW! To make the Wraith interesting... Special abilities: Flyer, No enemy Retalation and Death Stare (like Mighty Gorgons in H3) kills 0.1 x number of wright is really good idea from alcibiades. This new wraith reminds lot of H3 Devils. They are totally difrent now thoug. Why there are no 7lv. creatures whit no enemy retalation? Let's make on! And other think.. Yes Bone Dragons were in H2,3 & 4 and why it should not be here also.. NO! Do we need them? NO! Do we miss them if they leave? HELL NO!
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rpgguy
Adventuring Hero
Scholar
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posted June 26, 2006 10:01 AM |
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titans are ranged which are superior in a way to no-retaliation...
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ZeroXcuses
Known Hero
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posted June 29, 2006 04:48 AM |
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titans are ranged which are superior in a way to no-retaliation...
I disagree. In Heroes IV, bone dragon's fear/scare/whateveritwascalled
ability was a force to be reconed with. It actually made the Bone Dragon a competitive choice as an alternative to Devils.
If they gave the Bone Dragon in Heroes V the same ability, we (Necro players) would not be *****ing so much. Really, I ask the mod community to give Bone/Spec Dragons the Nightmare's terror ability. That would be fine by me!!!
It's not justthe Titan's range that makes them great. It's the NO MELEE PENALTY which is a concern. "Blocking" does not work, as you will receive full damage anyway...but at least you can distract fire from another unit, like YOUR ranged unit. 
If I had a choice, I would still pick no-retaliation. Of course, I'be been playing with Vampires since Heroes II, and it has saved me many-a-unit.
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rpgguy
Adventuring Hero
Scholar
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posted June 29, 2006 05:34 PM |
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ranged creatures are considered more valualble than no-retaliation creatures.
you cant block titans they will just use their call lightning ability on your ranged unit... (less damage but still...)
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