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Heroes Community > Library of Enlightenment > Thread: Spell "Fear"
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bloodsucker
bloodsucker


Legendary Hero
posted January 27, 2017 04:09 PM

AlexSpl said:
There's no such a spell as Reverse Clone.
No, but it was a good idea. I'm already immaginning what RoseCavalier or Biobob would done if enemy AAs could be cloned...

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Bufan
Bufan

Tavern Dweller
posted April 19, 2019 04:22 PM

Perhaps this a bit old post, but I did some research too.

I think this spell should be Fire Magic, because each school has 19 spells (Titan's Lightning Bolt is not counted, it is a new spell from AB), only fire school has 18 spell. Obviously, the missing one is fear.
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phoenix4ever
phoenix4ever


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posted April 20, 2019 05:49 AM
Edited by phoenix4ever at 05:52, 20 Apr 2019.

Fire already has the most combat spells, I would be more interested to see Fire get a new adventure spell to be honest.
And Disguise needs to be replaced with something not broken/useless, perhaps that could be Fear, as Air also has the least combat spells.

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Ghost
Ghost


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Therefore I am
posted April 20, 2019 04:53 PM
Edited by Ghost at 16:58, 20 Apr 2019.

Bufan said:
Perhaps this a bit old post, but I did some research too.

I think this spell should be Fire Magic, because each school has 19 spells (Titan's Lightning Bolt is not counted, it is a new spell from AB), only fire school has 18 spell. Obviously, the missing one is fear.


Fear is adventure spell in the Earth. I've played Fear and 'disabled Fear'.

'Enabled Fear' yu meet queen Catherine in her handbook. And you will bring to scenario: you need Scholar skill, example of Coronius learns Fear from queen Catherine, and in scenario you buy the best hero Coronius, and in his handbook has Fear.

'Disabled Fear', you meet queen Catherine without her handbook. And you can't meet Disabled Fear', because it's invisible. Why? You haven't played right in RoE, so hidden path never opened. And then AI grows their troops change into legion. Snow AI played always legion with red orb. And game crashed by over 10k. Depend on AI. I met the largest over 1M skeletons, and 200k Zealots. I can send to you my save game, if you want. I don't know why does it allow.

What's the Fear? It gives your creature grows. How? Kill monster, and it takes "soul". The same as Ghost in WoG.

Other I, I don't know why Introducing hidden Fear is different than my experience and knowledge.

Other II, my DVD version is



I got a 'disabled', and guy/friend got a 'enabled', and our DVD is the same. My bro has older RoE version, and his Fear is 'enabled'.

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Now you know why Christian learns Scholar in RoE. It's hidden. And you meet Christian again in last campaign.
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AlHazin
AlHazin


Promising
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النور
posted April 20, 2019 08:04 PM

Every school of magic is differently orientated, fire is orientated towards combat, so I think this should be a fire spell.
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Bufan
Bufan

Tavern Dweller
posted April 22, 2019 05:00 AM

Ghost said:

Fear is adventure spell in the Earth. I've played Fear and 'disabled Fear'.



I have never heard of a "adventure spell fear", even the TCRF only introduced the hidden combat fear, because we can only find that in the game data.

I have no intention of offending, but either you are joking, or you are playing a mod version, or you just misremembered it.

If not, you will be a legend in HoMM3 history.

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Roman2211
Roman2211


Adventuring Hero
posted April 22, 2019 06:41 AM
Edited by Roman2211 at 06:43, 22 Apr 2019.

Ghost said:
I got a 'disabled', and guy/friend got a 'enabled', and our DVD is the same. My bro has older RoE version, and his Fear is 'enabled'.
Please, tell a friend to show the video recording. an put "fear" in the map editor, but the main thing is not to modify the game files.

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Salamandre
Salamandre


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Wog refugee
posted April 22, 2019 07:24 AM
Edited by Salamandre at 07:27, 22 Apr 2019.

I think Ghosts refers to some RoE vanilla campaign where the fear spell is actually in, or accessible via some quest. I don't remember the details but I heard something like that in the past.

But also I forgot my Enigma Ghost-decryption techniques, so maybe he says something totally different.

Edit: actually reading this thread answers to such questions. Although not very crystal clear because the first game versions are now lost.

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Roman2211
Roman2211


Adventuring Hero
posted April 22, 2019 07:45 AM
Edited by Roman2211 at 08:00, 22 Apr 2019.

Salamandre said:
actually reading this thread answers to such questions. Although not very crystal clear because the first game versions are now lost.
I have RoE 1.0 (exe 02.16.1999) US version from 3DO, and Fear is Disabled. Version from "Sold Out" is very many can be found on ebay.co.uk

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Promising
Supreme Hero
posted April 22, 2019 08:04 AM

Salamandre said:
I think Ghosts refers to some RoE vanilla campaign where the fear spell is actually in, or accessible via some quest.

In RoE 1.0 we can get sometimes Fear spell after beating Golems in Pyramids but spell did nothing.
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Ghost
Ghost


Legendary Hero
Therefore I am
posted April 22, 2019 08:08 AM

@Roman2211 & Salamandre

And guy/friend and bro aren't playing no longer. I'm searching for Fear. But now I don't play RoE or MOD. My bro played his version:



@all

If someone owns the same version, discussion this.

@Roman2211 & Salamandre

And then legendary Fear lives in RoE campaign. Queen Catherine with handbook (spellbook), you need hero with scholar skill to bring scenario.

@Bufan

You will find Earth in http://heroes.thelazy.net or Air in VCMI MOD.
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Roman2211
Roman2211


Adventuring Hero
posted April 22, 2019 08:29 AM
Edited by Roman2211 at 08:39, 22 Apr 2019.

Ghost said:
My bro played his version
My CD have the same number PCD-5023-801 What is problem? It's easy to find on Ebay

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Ghost
Ghost


Legendary Hero
Therefore I am
posted April 22, 2019 08:46 AM

Roman2211 said:
Ghost said:
My bro played his version
My CD have the same number PCD-5023-801 What is the problem? It's easy to find on Ebay


No problem. I have a RoE. I don't know version. I gave a picture here. Ok I interest someone played the same version. Do Fear is enabled or disabled. I don't like a hidden path. Good Roman2211.
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Ghost
Ghost


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Therefore I am
posted April 22, 2019 08:49 AM

Ok I understood wrong. Snow JVC!
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AlHazin
AlHazin


Promising
Supreme Hero
النور
posted April 23, 2019 12:14 AM

@Ghost: Officially the Fear spell has been rendered impossible to get from Pyramids starting v 1.3, so if you have a prior version you will logically get it from there. But under no circumstances you will be able to actually use it and it should always show "disabled".

It's like the Market of Time, something that has never been implemented, for a reason or another.
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AlexSpl
AlexSpl


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Supreme Hero
posted April 23, 2019 01:14 AM
Edited by AlexSpl at 01:30, 23 Apr 2019.

In RoE 1.0 and 1.1 you couldn't get spells with odd IDs from pyramids because of a bug. So you couldn't get Earth Elemental (#67) and Air Elemental (#69) there. Instead of Earth Elemental you always learned Fire Elemental, and instead of Air Elemental - Water Elemental. Thus those two spells (Fire Elemental and Water Elemental) had double chances to appear in a pyramid.

Moreover, in RoE 1.0 and 1.1 from pyramids you could get spells which didn't belong to any magic school (those spells with magic school not set in sptraits.txt). The only spell in sptraits.txt, which magic school wasn't set, was "Fear ( disabled )" (#57), but, because of the aforementioned bug, instead of Fear you learned Frenzy (#56).

In RoE 1.2 the bug with odd spell IDs was fixed. Finally you could get Earth Elemental and Air Elemental from pyramids, but you still could get spell #57 (Fear), which had no longer been replaced with Frenzy (thanks to the fix introduced by patch 1.2).

In RoE 1.3 the bug with Fear was finally fixed. So, the only version of RoE, where you can see Fear, is 1.2.

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Bufan
Bufan

Tavern Dweller
posted April 23, 2019 04:38 AM

Ghost said:

You will find Earth in http://heroes.thelazy.net or Air in VCMI MOD.


Yes, I have seen it, and that's why I replied the thread, because I think fear is a fire spell.

Thelazy says it is earth, because it refer to this thread, where AlexSpl disassembled the exe and set the school to earth (the first school in data) in order to enabled Fear spell.

And VCMI mod maybe just because air is the first school in alphabetical order.

However, fear's school wasn't set (for disabled), but as I have said, each school except fire has 19 spells, so I have reason to believe that fear is designed as a fire spell.

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Roman2211
Roman2211


Adventuring Hero
posted April 23, 2019 06:17 AM

AlexSpl, In AB 2.0 is it also appear from pyramids, but not add to magic book

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AlexSpl
AlexSpl


Responsible
Supreme Hero
posted April 23, 2019 12:53 PM

2Roman2211: You are right. You can also see Fear in AB 2.0. As far as I know, patch 1.3 for RoE and 2.1 for AB were twins and both were released in March 2000.

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AlHazin
AlHazin


Promising
Supreme Hero
النور
posted April 23, 2019 04:59 PM

Hehe, thanks for the clarification Alex.
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