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HyugaHinata
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posted August 26, 2006 10:57 AM |
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I really enjoyed Heroes 4. It was radically different, but just as fun as Heroes 2 and 3. 
In particular, I enjoyed the use of the caravan, and that surrendering or retreating with your hero would bring them back to the nearest friendly castle.
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Drakon-Deus
Undefeatable Hero
Qapla'
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posted August 26, 2006 10:21 PM |
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 People liked h3 because it had a slight connection with h2 and h1.h4 was a completely different game,so most of the players considered it a
disaster.Some h3 fans expected a bigger,a better h3,but what they got was a new game.Sure,they said: Where's Queen Catherine? Where's Gelu? Back to Erathia! It's not their fault that they didn't play Heroes Chronicles: The Final Chapters.I never thought it was a disaster,but h4 lacked a thing that I loved:the campaign connection[In h3 RoE Catherine becomes the queen and fights here animated undead father,in AB,the mad king Lucifer Kreegan wants to set the world on fire.Who goes to the rescue?-Queen Catherine! AND-Gelu,the sharpshooter master.Also,some other heroes have their own adventures.We also get introduced to the Conflux,and I'm not advertising!.In SoD we find out who planed king Gryponheart's death and who stopped him,without saving the king].
In h4,Lord Lysander,Queen Emilia,Gauldoth Half-Dead,Waerjak and Tawni Balfour have their own adventures.In the Gathering Storm,bye bye Palaedra,Great Arcan and Nekross,hello the unknown heroes Bobh,Agraynel,Alita,Dogwoggle lol and Kozuss.The Winds of War was the last straw,that ruined 3DO.
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timagalant
Hired Hero
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posted August 27, 2006 01:58 PM |
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Yeah, the campaigns weren't really what we expected and wanted (they were still nice though), but yeah, 3DO went bankrupt, can't do anything about that.
But the game itself is great. Sure, they left it with some bugs and unfinished things, but after the balancing Equilibris mod, this game is much better than H3.
I agree with you 100% that many people considered H4 a disaster because it was not the same as H3, and besides it was different, it also required much more thinking, that we know many people don't like to do often. And that's exactly why Homm 5 is a success. It's just H3, with better graphics, and some minor changes people don't really know what they are (for example, I had friend who played H3 and now H5 for a long while, and he still has no idea what to choose in the level pop-up screens. He just picks the option with the nicest picture or something like that).
So yeah, some people like Homm 3 and Homm 5.
But I'm sticking with 4 until the bitter end!
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Finarfinn
Hired Hero
son of Finve
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posted September 18, 2006 10:56 AM |
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I think that Heroes 4 continue Heroes Of Might And Magic series successfuly.
But I don't say the same about Heroes 5.
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antipaladin
Promising
Legendary Hero
of Ooohs and Aaahs
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posted September 22, 2006 10:09 AM |
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i think that heroes4 and heroes5 killed the story of a dacade,and therefor i hate them both plus why i dont see equiblis makeing graphickl changes in the monstersthemselfs? why is thewebsite down??
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vhilhu
Famous Hero
We are NOT schysophren
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posted September 22, 2006 07:56 PM |
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Edited by vhilhu at 19:57, 22 Sep 2006.
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almost every single change in h4 was for the worse. most of all i was really glad to see the skill system in h5 had changed back to the good old h3 style(+abilities, but they are not a bad idea either), not h4 style. not that id still be an especial fan of h5(h5 3d and h4 isometry boht ruined the great simplicity and ancient-like feel of h3 adventure map).
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metos
Known Hero
God of Shadows
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posted September 22, 2006 09:14 PM |
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It is different and i like it more than Heroes 5 at all. I think they are in same place with Heroes 3.
For some strategies look in here  
Death;
Has the worst lvl 1 creatures, while lvl 3's are pretty tough. Devil is a really great lvl 4. Level 2's are averege.And they revive the weak level 1's with necromancy of course!
Nature;
Has average lvl 1s.They have bad lvl 2s.Lvl 3s are disaster. Fearie Dragon ÝS a terror  .They have enormeus mana with grat spells!They sure are great.But what saves Nature is the Creature portal. I prefer having mantises instead of griffins/unicorns in my heroes army.
Might(Makes Right );
Has best lvl 1s. lvl 2s are pretty tough too..Cyclops is great in this game. But they are stuck in 2 things: NO magic(is tragic) guild in towns and worst lvl 4s. These are balancing might.
Order;
Has way too weak lvl 1s. Mages are and golems are .Genies are great ones, but nagas are also .Both lvl 4s are great. So Order is good after all..
Chaos;
Has gooood lvl 1s and medusas are great too Both efreets and nightmares are . And both hydras and black dragons are . But i mostly prefer hydras. They are more offensive and good after all to me...
Life;
Squires are disasters. Crossbowmans are best of their tier. Ballista is better than pikeman at all (but not as good as other lvl 2s)...Monks are good but crusaders bad. Angels are avarege. Champions are the worst of their level.
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antipaladin
Promising
Legendary Hero
of Ooohs and Aaahs
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posted September 22, 2006 10:46 PM |
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but you gota agree that in h4 they did planty of ugly mixups...Necrotown is along side with inferno
dwarfs are academic..and centuars are mighty? not enought nuturals..all "nuturals are aligned,one way or another and its kinda unfun... the heroes fighting was a plus though.A lone one..if they did more diverse in heroes it been lot betta'
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Arbaces
Tavern Dweller
Marcus Arbaces Alexandros I
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posted September 23, 2006 06:46 PM |
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Heh, I don't think Heroes IV is better then HoMM3 or HoMM2 don't know even if it's better then HoMM1 but it is definately much better then King's Bounty the ancestor, or UbiSoft's HoMM5 which is almost a blasphemy. I played this a lot finished everything from all campaigns and scenarios and the expansions, and the time was not wasted, but then I returned to HoMM 3. You can't call HoMM 4 a disaster. HoMM5 is even worse but not 4!!
Arbaces.
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metos
Known Hero
God of Shadows
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posted September 24, 2006 01:13 PM |
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Edited by metos at 13:14, 24 Sep 2006.
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Well one thing is Heroes 4 became disastrous after the expansions. No new towns....Bunch of new creatures, maps and campaigns....Especially Winds of war succked the game like a succubus and after all....The worst expansions ever appeared. Even if they have sold equiliribis for money (like offical expansions) maybe 3DO was making HoMM 5. HoMM 4 Expansions sucked 3DO 
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Drakon-Deus
Undefeatable Hero
Qapla'
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posted November 17, 2006 01:16 PM |
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I think that Heroes 4 continue Heroes Of Might And Magic series successfuly.
But I don't say the same about Heroes 5.
I agree 100% with that.heroes V is a cheap 3D imitation of Heroes III.
the campaigns foscus too much on the storyline.In the first one,most of the "action" is gathering creatures and fighting neutrals.
The game is similar to h3,while h3 is better.
H4 was NOT a disaster,but I can say that h5 really IS a disaster.
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tenzor
Adventuring Hero
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posted November 17, 2006 06:01 PM |
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I think that Heroes 4 continue Heroes Of Might And Magic series successfuly.
But I don't say the same about Heroes 5.
I agree 100% with that.heroes V is a cheap 3D imitation of Heroes III.
the campaigns foscus too much on the storyline.In the first one,most of the "action" is gathering creatures and fighting neutrals.
The game is similar to h3,while h3 is better.
H4 was NOT a disaster,but I can say that h5 really IS a disaster.
Well said If hate especially stupid effects in HOMM V battles. But in Hammers of fate, the caravan feature is added, so it's possible that Heroes V will be on half way to HOMM IV after next few years and addons 
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Drakon-Deus
Undefeatable Hero
Qapla'
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posted November 18, 2006 07:33 PM |
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But in Hammers of fate, the caravan feature is added, so it's possible that Heroes V will be on half way to HOMM IV after next few years and addons
No way,h5 is the biggest disappointment ever.Even fewer single player maps than in h4 and the campaigns focus on few battles that affect a storyline.The adventure map is ruined,and the old hero system of h1 and h2 is back.UbiSoft tried,but the relust is a disaster[to me].
h4 had ups and downs,but at least it was made by 3DO.The Winds of War expansion really disappointed me,so I turned away from Aexoth for a while.But when I saw that h5 is the 3d clone of h3,with changes that ruined gameplay,I returned.Even King's Bounty is better than h5.three words about the heroes series that went in the hands of UbiSoft: they ruined it.
If there are some people that don't agree,sorry for being abrupt with this affirmation.
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Metathron
Hired Hero
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posted November 28, 2006 01:25 AM |
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HoMM IV a disastrous game? Oh that is rich. I stumble upon that statement every once in a while and I can only smile, as it usually comes from people who have not really immersed themselves in the game to fully realize its wealth and potential. The only thing disastrous about the game is its adventure map AI.
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yasmiel
Supreme Hero
Former Chessmaster
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posted November 28, 2006 04:16 AM |
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It was not disastrous, but it was bad (imho).... but since there are ppl that like it and play it, im not the one that should judge it...
Time to give H3 a rest,.. long live H5!
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Daystar
Honorable
Legendary Hero
Back from the Dead
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posted November 28, 2006 04:18 AM |
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It wasn't disasterous, it was much worse.
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SoRHunter
Hired Hero
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posted November 28, 2006 11:10 AM |
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It wasn't disasterous, it was much worse.
And why do you say that? It is not very nice to make statements like this and not justifying it.
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timagalant
Hired Hero
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posted November 28, 2006 06:15 PM |
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It wasn't disasterous, it was much worse.
And why do you say that? It is not very nice to make statements like this and not justifying it.
Especially when those statements are false.
Like someone had already said, the AI is pretty much the only big disadvantage of HeroesIV (after equilibris. the original version was really unbalanced).
I liked it better than H3, and A LOT more than H5.
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Metathron
Hired Hero
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posted November 29, 2006 01:47 AM |
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Especially when those statements are false.
Like someone had already said, the AI is pretty much the only big disadvantage of HeroesIV (after equilibris. the original version was really unbalanced).
I liked it better than H3, and A LOT more than H5.
Ah, someone after my own heart. The HoMM IV following is akin to a secret cult. It seems to be non-existent to the casual by-stander, only to rise from the wings in unbelievably large numbers and smack you right in the face. 
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timagalant
Hired Hero
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posted November 29, 2006 09:40 AM |
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Ah, someone after my own heart. The HoMM IV following is akin to a secret cult. It seems to be non-existent to the casual by-stander, only to rise from the wings in unbelievably large numbers and smack you right in the face.
Indeed it is.
It really seems there is noone that likes it, but in these threads, you see just how many people do (and people rarely visit these forums anyway. surely there are more).
But I don't agree with the people who blame ubisoft really.
HeroesIII was a huge success, and 3DO's HeroesIV was a pretty big failure (because they went bankrupt and couldn't finish the game).
They tried to follow the concept of heroes 3, because they imagined people would like it more.
I don't like the way they did though. Even if they would've made a HeroesIII, it would've been better than the current HommV. They changed a lot of things for the worse.
But I can't seem to find the time to play HommIV online nowadays. It takes much too long, and it's like 10 minutes of play, 10 minutes of doing something else.
Used to have that time in the summer, but now I don't even play the game. Just sticking up for it on the forums
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