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Robot
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posted December 05, 2006 01:18 AM |
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I like heroes 4 much more than heroes 5. After finish all the campaigns for heroes 5, I was bored....bored easily because everything is the same as heroes 3 except for the graphics, skill system. The storyline is not as good as heroes 3 and 4. It doesnt continue what happens after heroes 4. I was disappointed that heroes can only cast spell standing aside. I miss the hero-class system in heroes 4 esspecially then combine skill will give you class (combat+tactic = general). I always heard people say hero is overpowered or die easily. I dont feel that way at all. You need troops to support your heroes also in hard mode. (Did they play easy mode?? to say hero overpowered?)
Anyway, heroes 3,4,5 are all good....yea...i think I gonna play back disciples 2 to get the "Hero" feeling 
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fryet
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posted February 13, 2007 01:27 AM |
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I just recently bought Heroes 4 (via the Heroes 5 Limited Edition) and wanted to share my thoughts comparing it to Heroes 3 and earlier games. (Note for Heroes 5 Limited Edition buyers: It does NOT include the expansions for 3 or 4. I was hoping to play with Azure Dragons for the first time, but I guess I won't be able to.)
Heroes 3 strikes me as a strategy game. Heroes 4 strikes me as a RPG. It is a bit unnerving to me to see my level 25ish hero archer solo lots of medium-sized armies all by himself. When I first started playing Heroes 4, I hated it. It was too different from Heroes 3. Since then, I have accepted that it is a very different style of game. I am enjoying playing the Lysander Campaign, and it feels like more of a RPG. I identify with Lysander a lot more than I did with any of the Heroes in HOMM3.
I suspect that in the end, I will probably end up playing HOMM3 more than HOMM4, however HOMM4 has also been an enjoyable experience.
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timagalant
Hired Hero
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posted February 14, 2007 03:33 PM |
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I just recently bought Heroes 4 (via the Heroes 5 Limited Edition) and wanted to share my thoughts comparing it to Heroes 3 and earlier games. (Note for Heroes 5 Limited Edition buyers: It does NOT include the expansions for 3 or 4. I was hoping to play with Azure Dragons for the first time, but I guess I won't be able to.)
Heroes 3 strikes me as a strategy game. Heroes 4 strikes me as a RPG. It is a bit unnerving to me to see my level 25ish hero archer solo lots of medium-sized armies all by himself. When I first started playing Heroes 4, I hated it. It was too different from Heroes 3. Since then, I have accepted that it is a very different style of game. I am enjoying playing the Lysander Campaign, and it feels like more of a RPG. I identify with Lysander a lot more than I did with any of the Heroes in HOMM3.
I suspect that in the end, I will probably end up playing HOMM3 more than HOMM4, however HOMM4 has also been an enjoyable experience.
You can (and should) download the equilibris version from their site. It is _much_ better than the normal heroes 4.
And yeah, heroes 3 and heroes 4 are much different. I personally prefer 4, but it's your right to think otherwise :]
And you didn't say what you think about Heroes 5 really.
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fryet
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posted February 14, 2007 06:13 PM |
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And you didn't say what you think about Heroes 5 really.
I have it, but haven't played it yet. I figured I would play Heroes 4 first and after I get tired with it, move on to 5.
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watcher83
Supreme Hero
Child of Malassa
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posted April 13, 2007 09:20 PM |
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homm4 is a great game (different but very good)
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executor
Famous Hero
Otherworldly Ambassador
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posted April 13, 2007 10:15 PM |
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Although factions are truly imbalaced, many ideas not well implemented and some creats graphics' sucks (so does sound, music is OK), I like this game as it requires much thinking, even if you are playing best factions.
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danijel1990
Adventuring Hero
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posted April 14, 2007 07:02 AM |
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First, when I bought Heroes IV back in 2002 I was excited, couldn't wait installation to finish. And then when I started to play... dissapointment Why, God, WHY? I couldn't believe what they done to the game. I finished the Life campaign and played a couple of scenarios, then I gave up on Heroes IV, but... Then The Gathering Storm came out, I bought it (to gave Heroes IV a second chance) and wow... this expansion rocked!!! The campaigns were awesome! And then Winds of War came out. Bought it but  not bad but I like Gathering Storm better.
Btw i still prefer playing HoMM 3 and HoMM 5, then HoMM 2, and finaly HoMM 4 and HoMM 1.
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timagalant
Hired Hero
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posted April 14, 2007 05:38 PM |
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Although factions are truly imbalaced, many ideas not well implemented and some creats graphics' sucks (so does sound, music is OK), I like this game as it requires much thinking, even if you are playing best factions.
Try downloading the equilibris mod, it's much more balanced than the original game (hence the name).
It's located here: http://equilibris.celestialheavens.com/eng/news.html
You'll like it.
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danijel1990
Adventuring Hero
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posted April 16, 2007 07:12 AM |
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Well, now I have Equilibris installed on my computer, but only 2 changes that I see are: When you enter the game on the bottom left part of the screen you see Equilibris team etc. instead of 3DO company. Then when you win a battle it doesn't says anymore that you just won the battle but also how much exp yor hero(es) get.
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Binabik
Responsible
Legendary Hero
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posted April 16, 2007 09:21 AM |
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First, when I bought Heroes IV back in 2002 I was excited, couldn't wait installation to finish. And then when I started to play... dissapointment
Same thing with me. H4 is the only game I've pre-ordered before it came out. When EB called me to say the game was in, I immediately left to pick it up. Within an hour of getting the call I was installing it. Then after another few hours I was back playing H3.
To make things worse, it was full of bugs. The first 2 patches fixed some things, but introduced new bugs. Then what really pissed me off, was that the game was still full of bugs when 3DO came out with the first expansion that WE HAD TO PAY FOR. They should have been fixing the game that we already paid good money for. To me that was just a slap in the face.
Aside from all that, I eventually went on to play all the campaigns and scenerios. About a year or so later I went back to H4 and played it some more. I saw it in a new light. It wasn't really a bad game. As a matter of fact, I even liked the game and thought it was good. I don't know about other people, but I think for me the reason for my initial bad reaction wasn't because it was a bad game. It was because I was expecting and looking forward to a game like the H3 game that I already loved. H4 wasn't like H3, it was too much of a departure from it. My bad reaction wasn't because it was a bad game, but because it wasn't what I was expecting and hoping for.
I still play it 2-3 times a year, but I've never gotten very good at it.
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BrennusWhiskey
Bad-mannered
Famous Hero
The quickest H4 player
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posted April 16, 2007 12:31 PM |
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YOU ALL should try online game with equilibris. It really balanced game and there are alot of changes; their list is in the file with installation.
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Arbaces
Tavern Dweller
Marcus Arbaces Alexandros I
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posted April 19, 2007 06:44 PM |
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Well, I just thought of dropping by as I'm currently installing back H4. If any of the Heroes games is to be deemed as disastrous by me, that would be Heroes 5, although I played it quite a lot in the last month. But stopped at a point because the campaign was no longer showing interest. I also brought the Hammers of fate expansion but i found it as boring and as commercial as the main game.
Last night i dreamed an old h4 game i had a few years ago, with the old storyline and so... No, although I played it and I can play it, heroes 5 still remains a blasphemy ubisoft makes on 3DO's work. I can remember when my dad brought me Price of Loyalty... centuries ago... it was sensational, it was a revolution... unlike the crap Ubisoft managed to make.
Arbaces.
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timagalant
Hired Hero
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posted April 20, 2007 07:38 PM |
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Well, now I have Equilibris installed on my computer, but only 2 changes that I see are: When you enter the game on the bottom left part of the screen you see Equilibris team etc. instead of 3DO company. Then when you win a battle it doesn't says anymore that you just won the battle but also how much exp yor hero(es) get.
Would you really notice if a monter had 1 more def or attack? You only said the things that are easy to see
There are MANY changes (you can check their site, it says all the changes they made. And it's a lot more balanced than the original.
And Binabik, what you said is 100% true. Everyone wanted a game which is HeroesIII with better graphics.
The skills, heroes and monsters system is better, but at first, it seemed to suck, because it was different.
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danijel1990
Adventuring Hero
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posted April 21, 2007 10:27 AM |
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Yeah, a " lot" of changes. Look at WoG for example- that is a lot of changes!
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Bigbadfly
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posted May 08, 2007 09:37 PM |
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Eww...
If you ask me, it is a disasterous game, i hate it.
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Drakon-Deus
Undefeatable Hero
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posted June 02, 2007 11:09 AM |
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I like heroes 4 much more than heroes 5. After finish all the campaigns for heroes 5, I was bored....bored easily because everything is the same as heroes 3 except for the graphics, skill system. The storyline is not as good as heroes 3 and 4. It doesnt continue what happens after heroes 4. I was disappointed that heroes can only cast spell standing aside. I miss the hero-class system in heroes 4 esspecially then combine skill will give you class (combat+tactic = general). I always heard people say hero is overpowered or die easily. I dont feel that way at all. You need troops to support your heroes also in hard mode. (Did they play easy mode?? to say hero overpowered?)
Anyway, heroes 3,4,5 are all good....yea...i think I gonna play back disciples 2 to get the "Hero" feeling
You said it,pal! I don't know why most Heroes fans choose to embrace h5.Well,perphaps most go for the graphics.But this ruined the game! It's Stupid,and really UGLY if you ask me!And the h5 spell system is really stupid! Boy,even the h1 system was better! Seriously,I just managed to get h1 and I find it more enjoyable than h5! I'm also a Disciples fan but I lost the CD nercessary to play it and now I'm "stranded".no back to h4...if 3do wasn't in a critical situation then perphaps they could have worked more on it.3DO forever!
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phoenixreborn
Promising
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posted July 28, 2007 04:38 AM |
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I don't think Homm iv was a disaster, but obviously the company went under.
It provided some fun, and it takes a long time to learn to play properly. I will agree with comments in the thread saying that it is the most strategic of the heroes games...it feels the most like a strategy board game to me, and for that reason it felt less like the other heroes games.
Likewise, I don't think hv is a disaster either. I find it pretty deep, if it requires so little intellect, what is your toh ranking? Did you ever beat four kingdoms on heroic? I'd hardly judge any of the heroes games by the campaaigns.
Might and magic 9 was a disaster.
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timagalant
Hired Hero
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posted July 28, 2007 08:46 PM |
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It provided some fun, and it takes a long time to learn to play properly. I will agree with comments in the thread saying that it is the most strategic of the heroes games...it feels the most like a strategy board game to me, and for that reason it felt less like the other heroes games.
Different =! worse.
Though some people just automatically judged it when they saw it wasn't a graphically improved version of heroes III (ring a bell?).
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Likewise, I don't think hv is a disaster either. I find it pretty deep, if it requires so little intellect, what is your toh ranking? Did you ever beat four kingdoms on heroic?
No one said it couldn't be hard. Give the AI a lot of monsters/castles and sure, it'll be tough. But HommIV was way more individual with the personal choice of heroes, skills, and castle creatures. You could play the same castle with a lot of different strategies, based on your choices.
And they just destroyed some of the features of the game. The battle system is pretty damn bad. The skill system looks even worse, if possible. And don't let me start about the way they made town structures.
And the way heroes can attack, but can't be attacked. Why not just let a hero walk around defeating huge armies? It doesn't make any sense, and they only made it because people cried of their heroes dying.
Great graphics (can't disagree with that one) =! Good game.
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phoenixreborn
Promising
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posted July 29, 2007 05:47 AM |
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You could play the same castle with a lot of different strategies, based on your choices.
The same holds true in v.
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And they just destroyed some of the features of the game. The skill system looks even worse, if possible. And don't let me start about the way they made town structures.
worse than what? It's certainly better than 1-3. It's different than 4, but I find it nice to be able to max out a hero. it takes about 30 levels and it's quite possible depending on the map.
To grasp the complexity/lack thereof you need to look at the skill wheel. I get the impression you haven't.
The town structure is the same as in all the games. Build this building and it allows you to build that building. The only small difference is town level, which actually provides choice.
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And the way heroes can attack, but can't be attacked. Why not just let a hero walk around defeating huge armies? It doesn't make any sense, and they only made it because people cried of their heroes dying.
Personal preference. I don't mind heroes on the battlefield but if the hero isn't on the battlefield heroes v has done the best job compared to 1-3. It's a bit surprising to go back to 2 and try to do a hero attack to find it isn't there and my hero just has to sit there.
So you like having one hero singlehandedly slay 100's of devils because of immortality potions?
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Great graphics (can't disagree with that one) =! Good game.
No they don't, but they don't hurt it. I can see what I need to see.
My feeling is that you didn't give 5 enough of a chance and that's ok with me, but don't go claiming things when you haven't explored all the possibilites of the game. Also, the reason I referred to TOH is because there you play against human opponents on an even footing, no A.I., so you are able to truly judge the merit of the game.
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LiZaRdMeN
Disgraceful
Known Hero
The king of Grimheim
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posted August 15, 2007 08:43 PM |
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h4 is quite cool game.
P.S,:is there anyone on this forum
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