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hobowu
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posted October 01, 2006 01:25 PM |
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Fallen Angels are a bad idea. Basically Devils are fallen angels. And besides, they make angels look bad. Since when are Angels merceneric and serve humans for lowly amounts of gold? o.0
I want my Crusaders back. =/
devils are fallen angels now?!?! devils are a separate creature altogether...
I agree that they made the angels look bad... >.< i want the H3 angel back!
Champion charge o_O ... no point for us to barricade our range units in now is there??? academy is gunna get owned...
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WilX
Adventuring Hero
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posted October 01, 2006 05:37 PM |
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devils are fallen angels now?!?! devils are a separate creature altogether...
I agree that they made the angels look bad... >.< i want the H3 angel back!
Champion charge o_O ... no point for us to barricade our range units in now is there??? academy is gunna get owned...
First of all you are correct. In HoMM terms devils are not fallen angels, they are creatures created by Urgash to mock the surface dwelling races. The Faceless are the real devil type creatures since they waged war with angels and were banished orginally. These fallen angels are not quiet what we think. These renagades are more like the spanish equisition they are destroying evil by anycost, and are like extremist haven units. I agree the H3 Angels were the best, and they would never turn to evil.
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watcher83
Supreme Hero
Child of Malassa
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posted October 02, 2006 12:00 PM |
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I don't really like how those fallen angels look like. I mean they are red and the fire on their sword is orange instead of blue. How creative 
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Maurice
Hero of Order
Part of the furniture
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posted October 02, 2006 01:18 PM |
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What would you have then? Shooting flames out of their ... ?  
It may not be entirely original in terms of unit graphics design, but since we have no clue whatsoever on how they came to be, we can't say anything about it yet.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted October 02, 2006 01:18 PM |
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First of all you are correct. In HoMM terms devils are not fallen angels, they are creatures created by Urgash to mock the surface dwelling races. The Faceless are the real devil type creatures since they waged war with angels and were banished orginally. These fallen angels are not quiet what we think. These renagades are more like the spanish equisition they are destroying evil by anycost, and are like extremist haven units. I agree the H3 Angels were the best, and they would never turn to evil.
Nice thinking! 
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watcher83
Supreme Hero
Child of Malassa
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posted October 02, 2006 01:56 PM |
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An angel corrupted by demons shouldn't just be red and with a fire sword. I mean his wings would have to change(maybe as the devil's wings in homm4). His cloacked appearence as well. It should look like a fallen angel, like an evil being, not like a red archangel.
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TemjinGold
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posted October 02, 2006 02:29 PM |
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How do you even know it was corrupted by demons yet? Maybe it fell some other way...
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Elvin
Admirable
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Endless Revival
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posted October 02, 2006 02:30 PM |
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Maybe they want to keep a low profile Or Nival simply found it easier to make them this way,though fallen may imply that they are viewed this way from the griffin empire-not that they have turned to evil.Being independent invites labelling.
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Mantra
Adventuring Hero
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posted October 02, 2006 02:51 PM |
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As someone already mentioned: These units are renegades. Not corrupted or anything. Think of an Extremist side of Haven, bent on erradicating all Ashan evil.
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alcibiades
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
of Gold Dragons
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posted October 02, 2006 04:41 PM |
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First of all you are correct. In HoMM terms devils are not fallen angels, they are creatures created by Urgash to mock the surface dwelling races. The Faceless are the real devil type creatures since they waged war with angels and were banished orginally. These fallen angels are not quiet what we think. These renagades are more like the spanish equisition they are destroying evil by anycost, and are like extremist haven units. I agree the H3 Angels were the best, and they would never turn to evil.
Nice thinking!
Yeah, only annoys me they used the name "Inquisitor" for the original upgraded Monk. Would have been better to stick to something more peacefull for the original Haven town - Monk and Abbot? - and then pull out the more nasty Zealot and Inquisitor for the Renegade Haven.
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watcher83
Supreme Hero
Child of Malassa
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posted October 02, 2006 08:32 PM |
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I think that these units are evil and that Isabel will lead them, preparing for the coming of the dark messiah to whom she will give birth.
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hellwitch
Known Hero
Skeleton Ruler
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posted October 03, 2006 02:35 PM |
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We all will Rest In Pease
Renegades are like terrorists. And like Bin Laden will not live in towns but in caves, woods and in game their dwelling will be positioned just on the adventure map. Maybe it will be possible to upg. normal haven to renegate but who knows
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Tunaria
Tavern Dweller
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posted October 03, 2006 10:20 PM |
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They need some nerfing if they should be an upgrade alternative, but it would have been a cool idea nonetheless. 
Two upgrade paths opens up new tactics and avoids predictability.
For instance, would you choose to upgrade the Angel to an Archangel that can resurrect friendly stacks or to a Fallen Angel that has increased survivability thanks to the Life Drain ability?
Basically it's a choice between ressurecting other units or itself.
Giving each faction a Renegade-upgrade would add to the gameplay depth, in my opinion.
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WilX
Adventuring Hero
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posted October 03, 2006 11:18 PM |
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Well if they are stictly neutral I don't see the point in giving the renagade peasant, "Tax Payer" but it has it.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted October 03, 2006 11:22 PM |
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Well if they are stictly neutral I don't see the point in giving the renagade peasant, "Tax Payer" but it has it.
Why not?It was used a lot in the dark ages and I doubt they'd consider matters of neutrality for that
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Maurice
Hero of Order
Part of the furniture
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posted October 03, 2006 11:26 PM |
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I really doubt that the base units will be different, by the way. I think they simply give Haven units two distinct upgrade paths. You can upgrade the base unit into the default Haven upgraded version, or into the Renegade version. I would be surprised if the Renegades have a full unupgraded and upgraded line-up.
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TemjinGold
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posted October 04, 2006 01:18 AM |
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They need some nerfing if they should be an upgrade alternative, but it would have been a cool idea nonetheless.
Two upgrade paths opens up new tactics and avoids predictability.
For instance, would you choose to upgrade the Angel to an Archangel that can resurrect friendly stacks or to a Fallen Angel that has increased survivability thanks to the Life Drain ability?
Basically it's a choice between ressurecting other units or itself.
Giving each faction a Renegade-upgrade would add to the gameplay depth, in my opinion.
Considering that ressurecting other stacks only works once per combat AND you give up a turn to do it, I don't see why anyone would choose the ArchAngel over the Fallen one.
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Doomforge
Admirable
Undefeatable Hero
Retired Hero
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posted October 04, 2006 09:11 AM |
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I really doubt that the base units will be different, by the way. I think they simply give Haven units two distinct upgrade paths. You can upgrade the base unit into the default Haven upgraded version, or into the Renegade version. I would be surprised if the Renegades have a full unupgraded and upgraded line-up.
yeah, more buffs to haven plz!
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Geny
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
What if Elvin was female?
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posted October 04, 2006 10:52 AM |
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Don't worry, Nival won't make the renegades a simple upgrade alternative for haven because there's no way they can do it for all the factions and keep it balanced. The renegades will probably be campaign-only upgrades and there will be a special way to get those upgrades.
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TemjinGold
Known Hero
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posted October 04, 2006 02:39 PM |
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Maybe through a Gelu-ish hero...
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