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posted September 08, 2006 09:07 PM

This this thread is about excesses I've got something to add.  A few years back me and a friend were thinking of starting a website as an April Fools day joke.  We were going to create a fake organization to lobby congress and write letters to the International Society of Astronomers until they changed half of the names of the planets to women.


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posted September 09, 2006 12:49 AM
Edited by pandora at 00:49, 09 Sep 2006.

That's not a good idea... cuz I bet you'd have a million freak-shows pop out of the woodwork who would support you - and even after you tried telling them it was just a joke they would continue to champion "your cause". The world is kinda messed up that way

Another thing in the same vein as the PC movement is the whole sexual harassment thing - this is another issue that I think has been blown way out of proportion.

Don't get me wrong - I'm not pro harassment My beef is with how we're now defining it. Back when I was working, we had to attend a mandatory seminar on sexual harassment. I'm not going to lie to you, it was easily the most fun I ever had working at that place - the video they made us watch was the funniest thing I'd seen in ages. The gist of it was that any interaction between a male and female can be construed as sexual harassment with just a tiny bit of imagination. As well, same sex co-workers should be careful about their own level of contact as even though they may be straight, they could give someone the impression that they were homosexual - which could possibly make someone uncomfortable.

We were given test questions after the video like "Your co-worker Bessie has just found out that her Grandmother died - is it appropriate to give her a hug?" The answer to this is HELL NO! because even if it would make her feel better, someone might see this sort of intimate contact - and be made to feel uncomfortable! (I swear, I'm not making this up)

One of my work friends Rob and I had an ongoing flicking war, where we would basically flick each other in the back of the head -(the goal was to catch the other person unawares) usually after the first flick, there would be more flicks following - and on a few occasions we were told to cut it out just for being unruly. Well one day I was going upstairs for a review, and out of the corner of my eye i saw Rob coming, so I quickly jumped up a few of the stairs to try to save myself - and as a result I got flicked in the butt. (It stung like a sunuva.....) I yelped and screamed "Hey!! No *** flicking!!" and was laughing away about it when what happens? One of the trainers saw this - and asked us to come to his office so he could write up the incident report against Rob. I couldn't believe it, and still laughing I told him no it was fine, we were just playing - no harm done at all.

At that point, he let me know that something like that couldn't be left undocumented. He let me know also that in incidents like these (I guess butt flicking was a big issue over there)it was common for the victim to feel wary of reporting it, especially right in front of the attacker. It completely blew my mind - I assured him that I was a 30 something woman, who actually did know when I was being harassed, and I certainly wouldn't allow it to happen to me for any reason. I said again, that it was just play - and no need at all for him to be written up - and was told again that my opinion really didn't count for much. I guess while I was at work, they truly owned my ***.

How's that for ridiculous?



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posted September 09, 2006 01:52 AM

You should have asked the trainer why he was looking at your *** to see the flick in the first place.
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posted September 09, 2006 02:23 AM

lol! damn, where were you when it happened?? I never thought of that
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posted September 09, 2006 08:55 PM

You could have said to the guy "You seem to enjoy your work. Do you ever take your work home with you and *ahem* entertain yourself reading the sexual harassment reports?" As soon as he starts to say something, cut him off and say *huff* "Yea, that's what I thought." Then turn around and walk out of the room.

The lengths some people go to are extreme. My initial reaction to that post was to get ticked off and say I would have told the guy to **** off. But anger isn't much fun and it tends to stick with you for a long time. I much prefer humor or ridicule to make the same point. It's a lot more fun.

I haven't worked at a place that bad, but almost all companies have sexual harassment policies. It's just that most companies use some common sense. I mean it's a lot more enjoyable working at a company where people can tell dirty jokes in mixed company as long as everyone is having fun. Or where a group of people are on break somewhere, asking each other where's the strangest place they ever made whoopie. I think the term for that is "employee morale". Who wants to work in a company where you have to watch every word or action and wonder if it can somehow be absurdly twisted around into something negative.

Contrast to some guy calling a woman a "c***". That word is so extremely insulting I hate to spell it out even to make a point. It's just a word, but it's so insulting I probably haven't heard it used more than half a dozen times in my life. Some words are obviously degrading, insulting, or derogatory. We avoid using them simply because it's a matter of rude vs polite. It's a matter of common sense.

The problem with politically correct is that it goes way beyond "rude vs polite". It goes way beyond common sense. I wouldn't want to live in a world where everyone was stamped out of the same mold. I wouldn't want to visit HC if all it had was 10000 posts that all said "ditto". Yes, we are all different. We have races, nationalities, gender and a million other traits that make us human. What the is wrong with acknowledging that? There is NOTHING wrong with that. It all comes back to "rude vs polite" and common sense.

We can't please everybody. No matter what our views or opinions, people are going to disagree, or they aren't going to like us. In high school we are concerned with being liked, concerned with what people think about us. But as adults, aren't we supposed to grow beyond that? Aren't we supposed to learn that everyone is not going to like us? That we can't please everyone? Isn't that what becoming an adult means? That we are mature enough to face the realities of the world without overreacting to every little thing?

It's just words. Some words have obvious negative meanings, so we don't use them if we make some attempt at being polite. Other words can change meaning drastically depending on the context. But no matter what words we use, they can be misinterpreted.

In spoken language, the same exact sentence can take on a meaning of serious, mocking, sarcasm, or insult....simply by changes in tone or inflections of the voice. Online we use smileys to give some idea of how the "words" are meant to be taken. We acknowledge on a daily basis that words alone are largely meaningless without context, emotion or attitude.

Words are just words. Their meaning comes from the person who uses them. Changing the words doesn't change the person who says them. Their tone and attitude comes through no matter what words are chosen. The way I see it, a person who uses the word "snow" will never use the words "African American". They will use the same old word with the same old meaning. On the other side, a person who uses the words "Native American" is not a person who would use the word "Indian" with a negative implication. SO what has been accomplished by changing words with no inherent negative meaning, when the meaning is almost entirely the attitude of the person using them?
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posted December 12, 2007 05:05 PM

This isn't so much about political correctness - as it is more another example of how the world has gone crazy, but rather than make a new thread I decided to use this one

A little while ago, my kids came home from school - and my son was pretty agitated - but when I asked, he said nothing was wrong. Later that night, he asked if he could sleep on the couch downstairs with us, instead of going to his room. When i asked why, he said that he was pretty worried about terrorists - which at first I thought was a joke, but he was quite serious.

I told him that I wouldn't consider it unless he told me why, and then he finally told me about their assembly at school that day. During the assembly they were taught "Lock Down" procedures, and what to do in the event of a terrorist attack or a gunman present in the school.

Now to some people , given world events lately, that may seem a good idea - but as a parent I was furious that this happened without us being informed prior. They weren't talked to about what the likelihood of such an event was, they were simply informed that they must know this to ensure their safety.

While I do agree that the teachers should have a plan in place, I do not see the merit in scaring the crap out of a bunch of little kids - many of whom are too young to understand what they're being told. My kids are in an elementary school - grades kindergarten though six. I don't believe that children that small should be made to feel that their school is an unsafe place, nor do I believe that the school had any right to frighten them with the idea that they could be invaded by armed assassins on any given day.

I've spoken before about my son having Asperger's Syndrome, he will tend to fixate on things like this and run possible scenarios through his head until he's worked himself up to quite a high level of anxiety - and there are several children in the school with similar situations. i feel it was completely irresponsible and outside of their rights to have held this assembly without letting the parents know. At the very least we should have been prepared so that we could have a dialogue with our kids about it at home.

Things with Davis are fine now, we had a long talk about why the school felt they should have to have a plan in place - and we spoke about different events that have already happened - so all in all it worked out okay. But that doesn't change the fact that he spent the whole day feeling afraid and vulnerable.

It makes me wonder how many of the kids still feel afraid, and haven't spoken to their parents about it


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posted December 12, 2007 05:28 PM

Hmm.....

I understand your concern with regard to your son as a special case Pandora. My children go through the same thing at their school. I agree with you. A school for children should never raise it's security level above a certain point. It sounds to me that the school principal is trying to do someone else's job. Local police are the people who need to handle that sort of thing so that children don't lose their comfortability to learn their education. In order to get an education safety comes first and that is not what a school principal gets paid to do.
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posted December 12, 2007 05:45 PM
Edited by Moonlith at 17:51, 12 Dec 2007.

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So, imagine a setting - a bunch of "white" Cubans are at their house, having a drink (from what I saw, they don't actually have a term "white Cuban", all of them are just Cubans, but I may have overlooked something, of course ). Their black neighbor must have felt something in the air, so he decided to drop by for a drink (same as some of their white neighbors). They call them "negros", btw (i.e. "black" in Spanish). So, we were sitting there for some time, then someone points at the black guy and informs me: "negro africano!", the black guy says: "hey! I am half white!!!", the same guy points at the black guy again and says "cannibal!" At this point of time I started to imagine what would happen if this was said in Canada, but since it wasn't Canada, everyone including the black guy was LOL, which was followed by some more rum. Noone got shot, noone was called a racist, noone was offended, noone was trying to offend anyone. Their black neighbor was their good friend, exactly the same as their white neighbors. Btw, they call fat guys "gordo" (fat), or "gordoculon" (fatass ) and noone seems to be offended by that either, even if someone they don't know calls them that.

All in all, I think Cuba is one of the most non-policically correct places that I've seen so far, yet at the same time, that was the place whith the least amount of hate or aggression.


I like that I have a black friend who I often call snow and stuff like that, but he knows I have nothing against him, and he just calls me white snow in return. We just laugh about it.

I don't think I care too much about political correctness, I just say what I think. And if someone feels offended by that, I will A) explain I didn't mean it in an offense way and B) tell him / her he / she shouldn't act like such a whiny child.

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This isn't so much about political correctness - as it is more another example of how the world has gone crazy, but rather than make a new thread I decided to use this one

A little while ago, my kids came home from school - and my son was pretty agitated - but when I asked, he said nothing was wrong. Later that night, he asked if he could sleep on the couch downstairs with us, instead of going to his room. When i asked why, he said that he was pretty worried about terrorists - which at first I thought was a joke, but he was quite serious.

I told him that I wouldn't consider it unless he told me why, and then he finally told me about their assembly at school that day. During the assembly they were taught "Lock Down" procedures, and what to do in the event of a terrorist attack or a gunman present in the school.

Now to some people , given world events lately, that may seem a good idea - but as a parent I was furious that this happened without us being informed prior. They weren't talked to about what the likelihood of such an event was, they were simply informed that they must know this to ensure their safety.

While I do agree that the teachers should have a plan in place, I do not see the merit in scaring the crap out of a bunch of little kids - many of whom are too young to understand what they're being told. My kids are in an elementary school - grades kindergarten though six. I don't believe that children that small should be made to feel that their school is an unsafe place, nor do I believe that the school had any right to frighten them with the idea that they could be invaded by armed assassins on any given day.

I've spoken before about my son having Asperger's Syndrome, he will tend to fixate on things like this and run possible scenarios through his head until he's worked himself up to quite a high level of anxiety - and there are several children in the school with similar situations. i feel it was completely irresponsible and outside of their rights to have held this assembly without letting the parents know. At the very least we should have been prepared so that we could have a dialogue with our kids about it at home.

Things with Davis are fine now, we had a long talk about why the school felt they should have to have a plan in place - and we spoke about different events that have already happened - so all in all it worked out okay. But that doesn't change the fact that he spent the whole day feeling afraid and vulnerable.

It makes me wonder how many of the kids still feel afraid, and haven't spoken to their parents about it


Kind of reminds me of that episode of South Park where the entire town is shown a film on what to do when a vulcano erupts. "Duck and Cover". With the obvious difference that this thing is a bit more dangerous in the entire fear-politics sense.

Terrorist attack this, terrorist attack that, blabla, fear fear fear! Honestly if it happens you can't do anything against it anyway. No need to get all worked up over it, but I guess if you have a TV which spills blood and murder and terror 24/7 it becomes gullible.

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posted December 12, 2007 07:49 PM

@Pandora

I don't think that they had to notify the parents, they just needed to do it in a less frightening way that's all. I remember us having earthquake drills in schools. We (the children) were notified ahead of time (I don't remember whether it was the day before or on that day in the morning) that there's gonna be a drill at certain time and what we need to do. And when the alarm went off we just left the buildings in an orderly fashion, like it was a field trip or something, nothing to be worried about.

Also, when the second Iraqi war began, there was fear in Israel that Saddam might launch missiles with Bio/Chemical warheads and we were taught what to do in this case. Now, admittedly, I was already in 9th or 10th grade by then, but I'm sure something similiar went on in elementary schools as well and I didn't hear any complaints.

So, it's not what they teach, but how they tell it to kids that counts.

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It sounds to me that the school principal is trying to do someone else's job.


I don't know what level of security there is in American schools, but I remember seeing a guard walking around the school looking into trash cans while most of the students were in class. He was making sure that there was no "suspicious object" in there. Maybe it's too much, but what if once in ten years one of those guards would actually find it and evacuate the area before somebody gets hurt... wouldn't it be worth it?
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posted December 13, 2007 12:55 AM

Exaggerating is a gift...

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posted December 13, 2007 05:59 AM
Edited by RedSoxFan3 at 06:03, 13 Dec 2007.

Political Correctness is only for people who want to run for president. Or for people who are famous who actually give a snow as to what people think about them.

I remember this time someone said the word niggardly and they ended up getting fired or he had to resign from his position. Political correctness is for people that are stupid or they don't want to deal with the reality that they are fat or slow or Canadian.

That's where comedians come in. They can say or do whatever they want. So long as its funny. If you want to call someone an idiot but don't know what to do, come up with a clever joke that people can laugh about.

If I said the president was an idiot who can't speak the English language, then that would be politically correct. If I did an impression of him, like so many comedians do, it would be comedy.

So if you are tired of people being politically correct, then go watch South Park. They ALWAYS cross the line and its awesome. As far as I'm concerned, there's nothing to be worried about as long as comedians are allowed their field day against the morons of the world.
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posted December 13, 2007 11:25 AM

Rather Drawn Together It's the more extreme variant of South Park.

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posted December 16, 2007 09:05 AM

Well my views are rarely popular, and deffinately not main stream.  However, PC has gotten farther then just being worried about how we sound.  It has gotten to the point that people make an excuse for everything.  Heck we can't even call something evil evil without the PC police breathing down our neck.  People are too worried about being politically correct it is rediculous.

I've been called an Amazon (cause I am rather tall and large), Butch, and some even worse things.  By my friends.  We laugh it off.  I've called them my share of things too, and they just laugh it off.  When he was large and somebody would call him fat my brother would always reply.  "Large and in charge, you better bet your &&^ I am fat."

If I don't call my 'african-american' friends the N word, they get insulted.  Or think I am mad at them.  I have many gay friends and we are calling each other names all the time.  True we get a little miffed if somebody else calls our friends something, but not if it is dirrected at us.

Back to my original point however.  We live in a 'not me' society.  Everything is blamed on something or somebody else.  If people would actually accept responsibility for their actions, and not hide behind things like 'I was raised that way' or 'I had a horrible life' things would be much better.

Some of the things I've seen just make me laugh.  I've seen a case where a middle class person, who had both parents, and was never once abused use the excuse they had a bad life to explain why they did drugs.  Yet there are millions of cases where people who come from busted homes, that are really poor, and been abused don't.  It's an excuse, nothing more.  Yeah, I know, these are unpopular statements.  Yep, I know they are going to be met with harsh criticism.
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posted December 16, 2007 06:42 PM

I believe that political correctness should simply be a default. If you dont know someone then dont go around saying something that might offend him. As far as friends are concerned though do as you like.
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posted December 03, 2018 10:53 AM

Resurrecting thread with a debate:

Political Correctness Debate ft. Stephen Fry, Jordan Peterson, Michael Dyson, Michelle Goldberg

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posted December 04, 2018 12:28 PM
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“One of the painful things about our time is that those who feel certainty are stupid, and those with any imagination and understanding are filled with doubt and indecision.”
- Bertrand Russell (Stephen Fry in debate)
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posted December 04, 2018 05:46 PM

Yep, very famous quote. There are also similar ones by Darwin And Shakespeare:

Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge.

A fool thinks himself to be wise, but a wise man knows himself to be a fool.

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posted December 04, 2018 07:57 PM

"How is your kung fu?"

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"Ah! He who speaks does not know. He who knows does not speak. Surely you are a master fu!"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Afz93-xTTMI
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posted December 04, 2018 08:20 PM

Yeah, well

I tend to think that since there is no such thing as absolute certainty and knowledge isn't the same as wisdom, the point is rather academic. That's why there are so many decision paradoxes of the sort, screwed if you do, screwed if you don't.

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posted December 05, 2018 01:19 AM

artu said:
A fool thinks himself to be wise, but a wise man knows himself to be a fool.


"I pity the fool." -Mr. T

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