Heroes of Might and Magic Community
visiting hero! Register | Today's Posts | Games | Search! | FAQ/Rules | AvatarList | MemberList | Profile


Age of Heroes Headlines:  
5 Oct 2016: Heroes VII development comes to an end.. - read more
6 Aug 2016: Troubled Heroes VII Expansion Release - read more
26 Apr 2016: Heroes VII XPack - Trial by Fire - Coming out in June! - read more
17 Apr 2016: Global Alternative Creatures MOD for H7 after 1.8 Patch! - read more
7 Mar 2016: Romero launches a Piano Sonata Album Kickstarter! - read more
19 Feb 2016: Heroes 5.5 RC6, Heroes VII patch 1.7 are out! - read more
13 Jan 2016: Horn of the Abyss 1.4 Available for Download! - read more
17 Dec 2015: Heroes 5.5 update, 1.6 out for H7 - read more
23 Nov 2015: H7 1.4 & 1.5 patches Released - read more
31 Oct 2015: First H7 patches are out, End of DoC development - read more
5 Oct 2016: Heroes VII development comes to an end.. - read more
[X] Remove Ads
LOGIN:     Username:     Password:         [ Register ]
New Server | HOMM1: info forum | HOMM2: info forum | HOMM3: info forum | HOMM4: info forum | HOMM5: info forum | MMH6: wiki forum | MMH7: wiki forum
Heroes Community > Other Side of the Monitor > Thread: Political Correctness
Thread: Political Correctness This thread is 18 pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 · «PREV / NEXT»
fred79
fred79


Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
posted February 07, 2019 07:59 PM
Edited by fred79 at 20:06, 07 Feb 2019.

verriker said:
@blob and fred
stop listening to stupid con artists on Youtube or whoever feeds you guff, you are turning into an incel version of Don Quixote cheers lol


After first discovering of them by definition, years ago, i have learned to readily identify sjw's based on what they say alone, both here at hc, and elsewhere online(i don't meet any in my circles offline). They give themselves away. Give them a platform to communicate, and they ALWAYS give themselves away. They themselves are all the intel i need. For instance; i never met/talked with an actual feminist until here at hc. Those feminists themselves, tell me everything i need to know, about them. Just like with sjw's.

And from what they say, i see what kind of person they are. What you see from me afterwards, is my reaction to them, and NOT any other source BUT them.


That you assume i'm some kind of childish brainlet who gets his opinion from the legions of dumbasses on this planet, makes me think much less of you. Everything i say, and everything i am, in all seriousness, is anything but misled, mislead, or stupid. I may snow around alot, but that's because, for the most part, humanity hasn't given me a reason to care; or continue caring, about 99% of their world.

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | Quote Reply | Link
verriker
verriker


Honorable
Legendary Hero
The 'tightest 'ship of 'eroes
posted February 07, 2019 08:57 PM

haha I love that HC regressive alliance rose up immediately when blob had a wobble, typical fragility of the easily triggered lol
____________

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | Quote Reply | Link
fred79
fred79


Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
posted February 07, 2019 09:16 PM
Edited by fred79 at 21:17, 07 Feb 2019.

@ verriker:

humorous reply:

i don't think you know what "triggered" means, lol.

serious reply:

so, in your mind, responding with truth and backing someone up who has a genuine complaint regarding real life events is "triggering"?

here, i'll help you along: getting "triggered" is when someone gets mad at insignificant snow, and responds in an self-righteous, angry, and obnoxious way even when what was said, had nothing at all to do with them themselves(virture signalling, which is a tell-tale sign of an sjw), like jj did in his response to my post.

"responding logically to an illogical thought process" is what we("we" being people who have their heads on their necks, instead of inside their own or others' posteriors) did; against people who have nothing better to do with their days, than deny reality and directly work against it, while praising themselves.

i would give you a pat on the back for baiting me, but i don't think you move in the same circles as people who actually understand troll culture; pudding pop.

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | Quote Reply | Link
blob2
blob2


Legendary Hero
Blob-Ohmos the Second
posted February 07, 2019 09:57 PM
Edited by blob2 at 22:14, 07 Feb 2019.

In reality it's not that this discussion made me "wobble". I just assumed it's pointless to continue because there are either people who are fully behind me or against my opinion. There is no middle ground apparently. But what makes me truly sad is how naysayers seem to be either totally ok with what is going on or they don't give an f*. Even if the scale of it all is really not as big as the "con artists" tend to depict it (for now at least). But it is still wrong. Let me spell it to you: people are literally "destroyed" publicly for having their opinions and publishing them in internet or displaying signs of behaviour that is arbitraliry dubbed racist/sexist. I'm not a fan of social media, but for some people shutting down their accounts/channels is literally taking their job away. And it seems in many cases this goes without any investigation beforehand. Even if they are in the wrong, is spurring out a few words on Twitter a reason to perma-ban a person from a community? Or destroy him? Is this goddamn totalitarism? When did people start being publicly shunted and witch-hunted for hugging other people https://www.polygon.com/2019/2/5/18212141/vic-mignogna-fired-rooster-teeth-rwby-sexual-harassment or displaying interest in a womans body?

If I'm wrong, and political correctness or any sort of SJW self-rightiousness won't lead our society to another tragedy like a war of systems then good for us. But don't come crying when in the future your kid is taken to a reeducation facility for pulling his classmates hair...

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | Quote Reply | Link
JollyJoker
JollyJoker


Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
posted February 07, 2019 10:25 PM

Don't you guys understand that you are just victims of the information bubble? The internet isn't the real world and you don't need to opine on anything they tell you you should, because in most cases you miss vital information.

Worse, though - "the internet" is interested in you clicking on things, because clicking on things will earn them money, because the more people click the more they can charge for advertisements.

So if you want to discuss something, do it with real life cases you personally experience. Everyone can claim crap in the internet.

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | Quote Reply | Link
artu
artu


Promising
Undefeatable Hero
My BS sensor is tingling again
posted February 07, 2019 10:35 PM
Edited by artu at 22:43, 07 Feb 2019.

fred79 said:
here, i'll help you along: getting "triggered" is when someone gets mad at insignificant snow, and responds in an self-righteous, angry, and obnoxious way even when what was said, had nothing at all to do with them themselves(virture signalling, which is a tell-tale sign of an sjw), like jj did in his response to my post.

Ok, this one actually made me curious, since JJ seldom gets angry, so I read the posts and his only recent reply to you is this:
jj said:
Oh, and by the way, fred, it's not yours to GIVE feminists anything because you HAVEN'T anything you COULD give. Everything you think you have was not yours to TAKE/HAVE in the first place.

You know what they say - freedom and equality has to be taken and fought for and cannot be given.

Can you explain what is angry or obnoxious about it? It is only stating a simple, historical fact. Rights are indeed almost never given, they are taken and before they are taken, there is usually a very vocal crowd shouting how they are not actually rights. (You may disagree about the current situation being this but thatís not my point.)

For someone who keeps mentioning about how you only state simple facts, thatís a pretty flexible interpretation of his comment, especially considering you are the one calling him things.

And rest of you guys seem to take offense quite easily, too, especially considering your whole objection is about how people shouldnít be doing that.
____________
i challenge ANYONE to prove me wrong. you CANNOT. -fred

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | Quote Reply | Link
fred79
fred79


Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
posted February 07, 2019 10:52 PM

artu said:
jj said:
Oh, and by the way, fred, it's not yours to GIVE feminists anything because you HAVEN'T anything you COULD give. Everything you think you have was not yours to TAKE/HAVE in the first place.


Can you explain what is angry or obnoxious about it?


dude, it's right there in black and white. "oh, and by the way" is obnoxious. frequent caps usually equals angry(and judging by the composition of the text, "angry" is indeed implied). combine these two, with the fact that i wasn't even addressing him personally for him to react like this, and you have what i summed up perfectly before. what i said is self-explanatory; that i still need to point this out a second time, is ridiculous.

artu said:
And rest of you guys seem to take offense quite easily, too


"taking offense" is not what we're doing. "taking offense" is what the sjw's are doing. we're just trying to explain why, and that, they're wrong. it's exasperating to have to point this out, as well. the issues with discussing anything real-life with sjw's, is plainly displayed here. as also, i've mentioned before, and in other threads, numerous times.

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | Quote Reply | Link
artu
artu


Promising
Undefeatable Hero
My BS sensor is tingling again
posted February 08, 2019 12:59 AM

Meh, ďoh, and btwĒ is a little, just a little snobby at most but itís nothing harsh, I use it all the time, too, didnt even notice it. And JJ uses caps all the time, itís like the most obvious thing in his posting style, if you ask me, sometimes he even overuses them.

Are you going back to your drama queen days.
____________
i challenge ANYONE to prove me wrong. you CANNOT. -fred

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | Quote Reply | Link
fred79
fred79


Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
posted February 08, 2019 01:12 AM

Obvious bait is obvious.

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | Quote Reply | Link
evildustructor
evildustructor

Tavern Dweller
posted February 08, 2019 01:15 AM

blob2 said:
evildustructor said:
You can state your opinion without using the n word, come on. Being dubbed racist has like 90% of the time a reason behind it. the n word is a racist word in its roots, no wonder one would get called a racist for using it I mean.


Yet that doesn't stop the minority in question from literally throwing the word left and right. Just listen to the music or conversations. But hey, as long as it is used only by these people it's ok right?


yes.

the same logic here applies to calling people you don't know idiots, but it is much more acceptable to call yourself an idiot in everyday social discussions. Do you see the difference between applying the term to someone else and yourself? maybe a dumb example but still you get the point right?

Why would you feel oppressed (or whatever) in this, i cant see how this would annoy anyone really, feels like common sense to me lol :-(

Quote:
evildustructor said:
thats just a simple patch for hearthstone lol, not too sure if i would suspect regime changes coming out of that one Still nothing to get upset about imo.


I'm not upset. I find it funny and sad at the same time. Political correctness biggest issue imo is that while covering behind "what is just" it dabbles in the small things which ultimately lead to a state where even the most trivial things become a point of controversy which lead to ruthless attacks on others. I'm not talking about mobbing based on gender in a workplace which is a serious issue and should be mitigated. I'm talking about people ganging up on others just because sth doesn't fit their moralistic "rulebook" (for example just enter SJW + Magic the Gathering in search).

I think you are not aware of how serious backlashes some people are getting because of something called misguided justice, when related to political correctness issues.


They might be trivial to you, but the whole picture might be bigger. Many extremely small trivial things will become a bigger thing from a certain point of view, and the climate is probably due to people using racist terms not learning or being respectful in everyday conversations so many times that some people get really tired of discussing about e.g. not using the n word that they get angry, as they see it too often and have had the same thing happen to them over and over. might be as simple as that

the ones getting ganged up on in discussions are usually minorities, so from a certain perspective it might be a rational reaction for them even though it is not the best. "their rulebook" is generally just common sense (unless we are talking some really sxtreme snow here), how to behave in an everyday social discussion and being respectful and kind to each other

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | Quote Reply | Link
Stevie
Stevie


Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
posted February 08, 2019 09:15 AM

evildustructor said:
blob2 said:
evildustructor said:
You can state your opinion without using the n word, come on. Being dubbed racist has like 90% of the time a reason behind it. the n word is a racist word in its roots, no wonder one would get called a racist for using it I mean.


Yet that doesn't stop the minority in question from literally throwing the word left and right. Just listen to the music or conversations. But hey, as long as it is used only by these people it's ok right?


yes.

the same logic here applies to calling people you don't know idiots, but it is much more acceptable to call yourself an idiot in everyday social discussions. Do you see the difference between applying the term to someone else and yourself? maybe a dumb example but still you get the point right?

Why would you feel oppressed (or whatever) in this, i cant see how this would annoy anyone really, feels like common sense to me lol :-(


It's as simple as a black guy being allowed to call another black guy "nigga" while a white guy is not. The reason for that is the color of their skin. That's the racism. It's not about knowing anyone or calling yourself anything, your analogy is completely off the mark.
____________
Guide to a Great Heroes Game
The Young Traveler

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | Quote Reply | Link
blob2
blob2


Legendary Hero
Blob-Ohmos the Second
posted February 08, 2019 09:19 AM
Edited by blob2 at 09:20, 08 Feb 2019.

JollyJoker said:
Don't you guys understand that you are just victims of the information bubble? The internet isn't the real world and you don't need to opine on anything they tell you you should, because in most cases you miss vital information.


I can only hope this is the case. Or maybe I'm just worried because my country was almost destroyed because of two ultra-totalitarian systems that started off with giving more rights to a selected group of people (ideologically)? Rest is like they say, history.

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | Quote Reply | Link
evildustructor
evildustructor

Tavern Dweller
posted February 08, 2019 10:21 AM
Edited by evildustructor at 10:31, 08 Feb 2019.

Stevie said:
evildustructor said:
yes.

the same logic here applies to calling people you don't know idiots, but it is much more acceptable to call yourself an idiot in everyday social discussions. Do you see the difference between applying the term to someone else and yourself? maybe a dumb example but still you get the point right?

Why would you feel oppressed (or whatever) in this, i cant see how this would annoy anyone really, feels like common sense to me lol :-(


It's as simple as a black guy being allowed to call another black guy "nigga" while a white guy is not. The reason for that is the color of their skin. That's the racism. It's not about knowing anyone or calling yourself anything, your analogy is completely off the mark.


how is that racism? isnt that their word to use as much as "insulting" yourself is your thing to decide? it would rather be racism for white people to try to "get the word back" considering the history behind the word and the intended usage of it. Do you understand my analogy now? At least the point of it, even though if it might be a little off I think it still contributes to the general topic. anyway I think this would be derailing the discussion even further but even the wikipedia page for it takes up reasons behind intragroup usage: here

I still don't see how it is provocative that a white person can't use the word overall. It's not their word to use in general, and how it is fascism (or whatever) to ask people not to use the word in particular?

the colour of the skin argument applies to the history as well. minorities were oppressed in the past, and now white people should just ignore the fact that it happened and say "oh hey i dont see color now" after creating minority communities by oppressing them? or whatever, u might catch my drift it's just respect/common sense not to cry out racism for not being "allowed" to use a directly disrespectful word. People using racist terms are too afraid to show their racism or whatever (hence whats being "allowed" and not) and call it freedom of speech i guess instead of just being nice to each other

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | Quote Reply | Link
JollyJoker
JollyJoker


Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
posted February 08, 2019 10:40 AM

blob2 said:
JollyJoker said:
Don't you guys understand that you are just victims of the information bubble? The internet isn't the real world and you don't need to opine on anything they tell you you should, because in most cases you miss vital information.


I can only hope this is the case. Or maybe I'm just worried because my country was almost destroyed because of two ultra-totalitarian systems that started off with giving more rights to a selected group of people (ideologically)? Rest is like they say, history.
AFAIK, Poland has the problem that they have no independent jurisdiction anymore, which means that their constitutionality is endangered. Of course, no independent jurisdiction means that political correctness may fast become jurisdictional correctness as well, but keep in mind that this is a direct consequence of the Polish elections.

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | Quote Reply | Link
Salamandre
Salamandre


Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
posted February 08, 2019 10:52 AM

Yeah then you mock others about taking their infos from internet bubble crap

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | Quote Reply | Link
blob2
blob2


Legendary Hero
Blob-Ohmos the Second
posted February 08, 2019 11:04 AM
Edited by blob2 at 11:37, 08 Feb 2019.

JollyJoker said:
AFAIK, Poland has the problem that they have no independent jurisdiction anymore, which means that their constitutionality is endangered. Of course, no independent jurisdiction means that political correctness may fast become jurisdictional correctness as well, but keep in mind that this is a direct consequence of the Polish elections.


Yeah and we have a very turbulent situation in politics atm cus many people are not ok with it. Not inquiring on how short-sighted our election system is that it enabled such a problem to come to light. Basically the ruling party has the majority of voices cause mandates count double when a certain threshold is reached, even though only 37% from the 51% of the overall voters choose the ruling party which stands for 5.7 mln people out of 30 mln authorized to vote, but hey it's democracy. Because they have a majority, as such can pass any reform they want, and as it seems Constitution is only a "piece of paper" that can be changed however they like. Nevertheless at this point in time some of the reforms were halted.

But our differences, I mean why there is such a gap between worldviews between my countrymen and why such a socialistic and nationalist-oriented party has ultimately won comes in many ways directly from the fact we were torn apart as a nation by influence of those totalitarian regimes I mentioned.

Plus last I checked many other countries have also a very turbulent political situation atm, USA (Trump was picked democratically no?) or England to mention a few.

evildustructor said:
I still don't see how it is provocative that a white person can't use the word overall. It's not their word to use in general, and how it is fascism (or whatever) to ask people not to use the word in particular?



Because white people are prosecuted for using this word? https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/bill-mahers-use-n-word-sparks-discrimination-retaliation-suit-attn-1090126

Speaking of which:https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/04/black-woman-n-word-court-case. So what is the deal with this word actually?

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | Quote Reply | Link
Stevie
Stevie


Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
posted February 08, 2019 12:41 PM

evildustructor said:
Stevie said:
It's as simple as a black guy being allowed to call another black guy "nigga" while a white guy is not. The reason for that is the color of their skin. That's the racism. It's not about knowing anyone or calling yourself anything, your analogy is completely off the mark.


how is that racism? isnt that their word to use as much as "insulting" yourself is your thing to decide? it would rather be racism for white people to try to "get the word back" considering the history behind the word and the intended usage of it.


It's textbook definition of racism. It's not about history, it's not pertaining to self, not as much as it's simply about skin color, hence inherently racist. Your line of reasoning is appalling to me. What do you mean by "their word to use" and "get the word back"? Since when did words become exclusive to a group of people to use and that based on their skin color? Should we just throw freedom of speech out the window so that minorities don't get upset? No way, snow all of them.
____________
Guide to a Great Heroes Game
The Young Traveler

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | Quote Reply | Link
Minion
Minion


Legendary Hero
posted February 08, 2019 12:51 PM

American legal system is a mess. A woman sued McDonalds because her coffee was too hot and got $2.86 million.

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | Quote Reply | Link
Neraus
Neraus


Promising
Legendary Hero
Pizza Nazi
posted February 08, 2019 01:01 PM
Edited by Neraus at 13:05, 08 Feb 2019.

English speaking people, please refrain from using 60% of the vocabulary, each time you say those words you appropriate Latin culture and thus disenfranchise a minority that worked hard on their language and that has suffered many hardships in these last two millennias.

Also, please refrain from using roads, sewage, water pipes, surgery, written codes of law, standing armies, maths, physics, etc. etc. since my people (Greeks and Romans) and Syrians, Egyptians, Sumerians, Persians, Chinese, Phoenicians, Indians worked really hard on them to make a civilization worth living in, not for some ungrateful WASP to marginalize and persecute those who helped them rise.

What I'm saying, you bloody barbarians better start razing your cities and forget everything you've learned, we made the world and you're squatting on our property, you bunch of racist culture-appropriators.
____________
PLVTOCRATIC AND REACTIONARY DEMOCRACIES OF THE WEST
POTERE, LO SFORZO, LA PASTA

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | PP | Quote Reply | Link
Blizzardboy
Blizzardboy


Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
posted February 08, 2019 01:09 PM
Edited by Blizzardboy at 13:11, 08 Feb 2019.

Minion said:
American legal system is a mess. A woman sued McDonalds because her coffee was too hot and got $2.86 million.


Don't disagree with the first part of the sentence, but in that particular famously-quoted legal case, the coffee they handed her was literally pretty much boiling and it ended up causing 3rd degree burns on her private parts when it spilled into her lap. The actual payout came out to $640,000. Still a lot, but much less than the original.

So yeah, some kind of severe lawsuit was in order for McDonald's to fix their ****.
____________
"Blizzardboy, you've won"
-blob2

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | Quote Reply | Link
Jump To: « Prev Thread . . . Next Thread » This thread is 18 pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 · «PREV / NEXT»
Post New Poll †† Post New Topic †† Post New Reply

Page compiled in 0.1111 seconds