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Milena
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A morality test
:VALUES VERIFICATION EXERCISE
:How moral are you? What is your attitude to morals, sex and honesty? The fascinating personality test below was written by a Sydney marriage expert who is a qualified psychologist. It began as a dinner party conversation gimmick, but it has been prepared in this form for readers to test themselves.
:To do the "test" you must give your honest opinion about the morals and honesty of the four characters in our story of Sherwood Forest. Forget any preconceived ideas you may about them - this is a different sort of story from all the others.
:The Sheriff of Nottingham captured Little John and Robin Hood and imprisoned them in his maximum-security dungeon. Maid Marion begged the Sheriff for their release, pleading her love for Robin. The Sheriff agreed to release them only if Maid Marion spent the night with him. To this she agreed.
:The next morning the Sheriff released his prisoners. Robin at once demanded that Marion tell him how she persuaded the Sheriff to let them go free. Marion confessed the truth, and was bewildered when Robin abused her, calling her a snow, and saying that he never wanted to see her again.
:At this Little John defended her, inviting her to leave Sherwood with him and promising life-long devotion. She accepted and they rode away together.
:Now in terms of realistic every-day standards of behaviour, put Robin, Marion, Little John and the Sheriff in the order in which you consider they showed the most morality and honesty.
:There is no "right" answer, and the following is the psychologist's estimate of you for each of the 24 arrangements...
ANALYSES:
:ROBIN, MARION, SHERIFF, LITTLE JOHN: You find it hard to accept the permissive attitudes of others, or to convince them of the validity of your own standards. You are not disposed to trust people and do not have a very happy life. (Men) To "love" involves sex and duty, rather than charity and forgiveness. (Women) You blame men for much of the unhappiness in your life.
:ROBIN, MARION, LITTLE JOHN, SHERIFF: Your philosophy of life is a sad hodgepodge of the conventions of society, your own convictions and romanticism. You are not unkind, only staid and unimaginative. (Men) You see a woman as weak but desirable. (Women) You resent the arrogance of men.
:ROBIN, SHERIFF, MARION, LITTLE JOHN: (Men) We think you are unhappy, although you probably will not admit it. As a ruthless authoritarian you are as moral as it suits you and no more. You do not apply the same rules to men as you do to women. (Women) How worthless you seem to think women are.
:ROBIN, LITTLE JOHN, MARION, SHERIFF: You are a moralist with conventional ideas, which some people would call old-fashioned. (Men) You probably consider yourself a fair-minded man in a world which falls badly below your standards. Your inhibitions and sense of guilt are in the way of your happiness. (Women) Unlucky in love? Perhaps you hope for too much in a man. Be a realist, not a romantic.
:ROBIN, LITTLE JOHN, SHERIFF, MARION: You are conventional and puritanical. (Men) You moralise and see women as a great conspiracy against man, with sex as their principal weapon. You are missing a great deal in life. (Women) Your parents probably played a big part in the formation of such a guilt complex as yours. Your mind is in chains and it's time you did something to free it.
:LITTLE JOHN, ROBIN, SHERIFF, MARION: You are not easy to assess. Basically you are ruled by an inferiority complex and feelings of insecurity. How do you present yourself to the world? An idealist, a moralist, a conformist keeping up with Jones's? (Men) Your conflicting views on sex and morality may lead to every sort sexual problem. You have always feared women, probably starting with your mother. (Women) It is a shame you have not accepted the ideal of woman as the equal (and sometimes stronger) partner of man.
:LITTLE JOHN, MARION, ROBIN, SHERIFF: You are fairly broadminded romantic and reasonably contented. You value kindness greatly and try to live by your ideals. You do not conceal from yourself, or from others, you strong need for security,which may be either emotional or material. (Men) Perhaps you tend to idealise women and credit them with virtues they don't possess. (Women) Your experiences of men have not all been happy, perhaps because you hope for a little too much?
:LITTLE JOHN, MARION, SHERIFF, ROBIN: You are the slightly romantic realist. You respect truth, and are broadminded and flexible. Whether you are a man or a woman you are probably a happy person. You like people and they can readily make friends with you. You are not very adventurous, but this does not bother you.
:LITTLE JOHN, SHERIFF, MARION, ROBIN: You too, believe that morality is another word for commonsense and suitability, and not something which is universally valid or a religious truth. Your feeling for security is strong, and you would rate reliability as one of your virtues. (Men) Your estimate of women as the inferior sex suggests that you are a little uncertain of them. (Women) You are more permissive about the morals of others than you are about your own.
:LITTLE JOHN, SHERIFF, ROBIN, MARION: You are conventional, unimaginative, and something of a prude. It would be surprising if your love life was a roaring success. (Man) You have an old-world authoritarian attitude. One thing is sure - you have some sorry illusions about women. (Women) You accept a double standard of morality in which women are very much the "second sex".
:SHERIFF, ROBIN, MARION, LITTLE JOHN: (Man) We find it hard to imagine you leading a full, happy life. The warmth and give-and-take of love are not for you. Your sex life is ringed with unreality, and you neither understand nor appreciate women. (Women) If you really believe this is the right order, you baffle us completely.
:MARION, SHERIFF, LITTLE JOHN, ROBIN: Such an emphatic rejection of ready-made values in probably partly camouflage. You hate to be thought weak or insecure. You valu honesty, and abominate humbug and hypocrisy. (Men) Women are very much part of you life, and you are - or perhaps would like to be - quite ruthless, both with women and life in general. (Women) You are tolerant about men and their failings - but we mean men, for you have no time for boys on men's errands.
:MARION, ROBIN, SHERIFF, LITTLE JOHN: You know the so-called facts of life, but not to enjoy life itself. You are not a realist and you are inclined to be stubborn. (men) Women, you think, are either snows or angels, and you over-estimate the differences between the sexes. A woman may find you difficult to live with. (Women) You are not sure whether truth and morality go hand in hand or are in opposition. You haven't a very high opinion of men.
:MARION, ROBIN, LITTLE JOHN, SHERIFF: If you are not happy - and we suspect you are not - it maybe because you feel guilty about your own emotions, and lack confidence in your opinions. (Men) No doubt you consider yourself a moral man, and a fair one. Your fuzzy ideas about morality may make their mark on your sex life. (Women) You are too concerned about what others think.
:MARION, LITTLE JOHN, SHERIFF, ROBIN: You are essentially a contented person, even if you consider yourself a little superior. You are moral by your own standards, for you believe that morality is what best suits the occasion. (Men) You are sexually uninhibited, more romantic than you may appear, and more dependent on the approval of others than you care to admit. (Women) You like being a woman, you understand what love is, and frankly enjoy sex.
:MARION, LITTLE JOHN, ROBIN, SHERIFF: We would expect you to be a happy, well-balanced person who likes people and is like by others. You question whether many conventional views on morality are valid under all circumstances. (Men) Do we detect a sense of chivalry and idealism under the sophistication? (Women) You will expect high standards form the men to whom you give your love.
:LITTLE JOHN, ROBIN, MARION, SHERIFF: You are a cautious type, neutral, and rather insecure. You would agree with the idea that everybody has his price - and in your own case it would not be high. (Men) You are sexually inhibited with an underlying distrust of women. (Women) At least one man has made you unhappy, and you are now on your guard.
:SHERRIF, ROBIN, LITLE JOHN, MARION: Although you make a brave show of being self-sufficient, beneath this you are unhappy and rather mixed up. (Men) You don't understand women - probably you are afraid of them. You do not know what love is, and you are more likely to boast about your conquests in a bar than prove them in a bedroom. (Women) If men attract you at all, they probably be disastrously the wrong sort.
:SHERIFF, MARION, ROBIN, LITTLE JOHN: If you are not living a happy life the cause is within yourself. You are a rebel...with a trace of spoilt child about you. You value truth above morality, but you are reasonably tolerant of those who disagree with you. (Men) any problems you have are not likely to be centred in sex. (Women) Despite your experience and intelligence you are a bad judge of men.
:SHERIFF, MARION, LITTLE JOHN, ROBIN: You claim to be a realist or even a cynic, but you are more emotional and romantic and truthful. (Men) although you are by no means inhibited, your amorous adventures are as much a matter of fantasy as fact. (Women) You have been hurt in the past by men - or perhaps a particular man - and will probably let it happen again.
:SHERIFF, LITTLE JOHN, ROBIN, MARION: Not a moralising pattern, but... (Men) You share with many other men the idea that most women are fickle and inferior to men. Perhaps a view that you got from your father? Or as a reaction to a domineering mother? (Women) You have a pretty poor opinion of yourself, haven't you?
:SHERIFF, LITTLE JOHN, MARION, ROBIN: You have a confused, immature sense of values. You are erratic an stubborn, and inclined to get angry or sulk when you don't get your own way. But at least you are not a moral hypocrite. (Men) "Love 'em and leave 'em" is the motto of a man who is basically afraid of women. (Women) Perhaps you would rather be a man than a women?
:MARION, SHERIFF, ROBIN, LITTLE JOHN: Associate morality with honest and truth more than with religious values. You are impulsive and somewhat unpredictable. (Men) We suspect that you are a would-be lover rather than a very successful one. (Women) You are a realist and a revel, a defender of women's rights. You like men but despise weak ones.
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Lith-Maethor
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posted September 28, 2001 05:58 PM |
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MARION, LITTLE JOHN, ROBIN, SHERIFF
...that would be my choice... don't know wether or not I am what the test says i am... that is for others to judge...
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Wyvern
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posted September 28, 2001 06:16 PM |
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I didn't understand everything but I decided that it should be like that:
ROBIN, LITTLE JOHN, SHERIFF, MARION
And I think that everyone will have a different opinion...
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Coldfyrius
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posted September 28, 2001 10:09 PM |
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Marion, Litttle John, Sheriff, Robin Hood
Ha ha ha. I'm all well-adjusted and understading.
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RMS
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posted September 28, 2001 11:09 PM |
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..hmm, personally I would caution anyone against taking anything of this sort too seriously, no matter who its creator happens to be...although I can see some reasoning behind a few of the explanations...
...for anyone who was wondering, here is my order:
1) Little John
2) Marion
3) Robin Hood
4) Sherrif of Nottingham
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Djive
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posted September 29, 2001 11:10 PM |
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Only Little John would pass the test ...
... and even him passing it is somewhat doubtful.
Marion would certainly pass honesty (she told Robin the truth), but fail in morale ( a bit depending on how you read the story).
Sheriff would likewise pass honesty (he released the prisoners), but fail miserably in morale.
Robin would perhaps pass honesty (but I'd say the story is not enough to judge if he does), but would fall miserably in morale.
Truth to be told. I wouldn't want to rate the three of them at all. They simply doesn't pass the basics of honesty and morale, so any rating I do would be on who is being most deceitful and immoral.
Wondering what the verdict would be if all the persons in the test changed sex. Would then the test result remain the same with the only change being that you substitute man for woman and vice versa?
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RMS
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posted September 29, 2001 11:18 PM |
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...hmm, interesting approach...as I said, nothing like this should be taken very seriously...
...none of them were truly correct in their actions...except as Djive mentioned, perhaps Little John 
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Darkspirit
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posted September 29, 2001 11:29 PM |
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Let me say it like this: The incredible bastard little john took away Robin's snow who cheated on him with a pimp!
this means: Robin, Marion, sherrif and at last the one who steals his best friend's girlfriend: little john.... (the bastard...grumble grumble...)
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Djive
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posted September 29, 2001 11:53 PM |
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Quote:
Let me say it like this: The incredible bastard little john took away Robin's snow who cheated on him with a pimp!
this means: Robin, Marion, sherrif and at last the one who steals his best friend's girlfriend: little john.... (the bastard...grumble grumble...)
The reason that Little John could be seen as passing the test is that by the time he takes over Marion, she is Robin's ex-girlfriend rather than his actual girlfriend.
There are of course other reasons to why you could say Little John is (at least) immoral, but I'll not expand on them.
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"A brilliant light can either illuminate or blind. How will you know which until you open your eyes?"
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Sha_Men
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posted October 04, 2001 12:44 PM |
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Psychology...
I have studied psychology in school and my spare time too and I must say that these kind of tests are not needed.
I could give my profile about the test maker but it would pretty offensive text so let's drop it...
I consider whole test as joke that could be done by students of psychology as how they see these tests.
Most of the choices are so funny to read like asking "you know what is wrong with you, don't you".
Thing is that all of them are bad choices and I at least came up at least many different solutions what I see as "morale" thing. But the problem is that the story itself is lacking dimensions and is very twodimensional and we know that reality isn't like that.
If we look at the story we see that it contains the biggest faults of these kind of stories. It has very unrealistic plot behind it with no choices with characters as they are acting like bunch of ten year olds with no imagination.
Also if you look at the analysis in overall they are mostly very strongly against men and women have much more positive things in descriptions.
Only woman in the story is Marion (or it looks like that). Basically she doesn't do anything but only men do only something to her. This is basically very common misunderstanding. Women do choices and it's not only men who judge women. Marion is only seen as victim in the story as men treat her as property. This very quickly leads choice between Marion being angel as victim and hero or as snow because he slept with sheriff or left Robin after his abuse.
Then there are no other woman reacting what Marion did. I think it would really change the whole view if there would be one more woman character telling Marion what she should do after this whole thing.
There is only the normal abusive Robin and the chivalrous knight in this case Little John. So again you have to choose between two very different characters. Sheriff doesn't even have really reason why he sleeped with Marion. He is just man who used advantage of situation. He doesn't have any "chains" that would hurt morale values of trust like Marion have towards Robin and Little John have towards Robin.
So what I did was:
":SHERIFF, MARION, LITTLE JOHN, ROBIN: You claim to be a realist or even a cynic, but you are more emotional and romantic and truthful. (Men) although you are by no means inhibited, your amorous adventures are as much a matter of fantasy as fact. (Women) You have been hurt in the past by men - or perhaps a particular man - and will probably let it happen again."
Why I picked the Sheriff first?
As said he isn't "chained". He doesn't have any before relationship with any of the characters and he may have even good reason to put them behind the bars as they could be having this drama together and people would be killing each other. I think Sheriff is quite innocent as he takes Marion in to his arms and then releases the victims. Yes he knows Marion loves Robin but what else he could do than take what Marion has to offer?
For me the thing that Marion slept with Sheriff isn't big thing but he has pleaded her love for Robin and leaves him easily for Little John. I think it's hard choice do I put Marion or Little John first as they do basically the same thing by leaving the abusive Robin all alone. However what is very important sentence is that Robin says that he doesn't want to see Marion ever again. I think Marion in this case could leave him but why Little John does this? I put Marion just ahead because she was the one abused and Little John should have more understanding what Robin has done than Marion as he was also in the prison and is his friend. For me friednship always wins love.
Lastly I pick easily Robin as I can't stand abusive people by any means and basically he doesn't do anything else in the story.
What this tells about me? Nothing I assume. I think it tells more about the story as it is heavily do with two choices with every character: Marion (Angel/snow), Sheriff (Innocent/Opportunist), Little John (Chivalrous/Traitor), Robin (True Man/Bad Man)
How about little bit different ending to the story?
Marion does ride away with Little John but then comes back to Sheriff as she enjoyed sex so much with him than with Little John.
Little John was big man and that name must stand for something...
So what would be the right order then?
There is something to consider to everyone...
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Milena
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posted October 04, 2001 07:03 PM |
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I think Sheriff is quite innocent as he takes Marion in to his arms and then releases the victims
Don't you think the so-called "victims" are caught for a crime and releasing them is a crime as well? Well, Marion bribed him in a way. :-P
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posted October 05, 2001 02:53 AM |
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I don't need this ****** test.
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Sha_Men
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posted October 05, 2001 08:18 AM |
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Crime...
It's hard to say what crime has happened as the story doesn't tell it.
The story and the test is far more morale test about sexual behaviour than crimes morale.
If the story would say that Little John and Robin Hood are suspected about murder of Brother Tuck then we would have more morale lessons there and I would probably change my pick. If you look at the analysis descriptions there aren't really so negative attitude towards Sheriff behaviour about the crime but more about that he slept with Marion.
It's not my fault that rhis test has it's faults.
As said I take it more like joke than real test. Most of these morale tests are like this. Like that one where you have to choose what persons you take from ship that is sinking. These tests usually don't prove anything as they are done very much towards some particular morale teaching. I would say that only thing you learn from this story/test is that morale things are always difficult and never be taken with light heart.
For me it matters is what I do and what I would do if I would be one of the characters of story. As Sheriff there aren't enough information to do anything else but slept with Marion, then as Robin I wouldn't definately abuse Marion about happening, I would maybe ask Marion to leave that place as Little John after Robin has abandoned her. Not sure what I would do with Marion then still.
So if story would have more information the test could be really something to look at and think the possibilities. Now it's just very simple because some important details are left out.
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Mikai
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posted October 29, 2001 10:56 PM |
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Sorry to say this,but...
...I believe the test has all the information someone needs...
My answer is : Marion, Little John, Robin, Sheriff
So, Sha, I really respect your opinion upon this but alow me not agree with you. First of all I believe I should say this from someone who really loves a woman (and I mean myself): you can't truly understand Marion unless you really love a woman and she truly loves you and by that to understand the way that a woman loves. I think that this information (though is rather a feeling) you are missing here. I understand Marion's decision. Now let me explain myself:
1. Marion - she did what she did because of her love for Robin;So if it is love there's no question for morality here; I don't understand though why she agreed to go with John and be content with an ordinary life besides someone she doesn't love; I think she gave up to easyly on Robin...but is the woman's way again...
2. Little John - he understand Marion and offers her a life and I don't think is a matter of betrail here...
3. Robin - simply makes a choice here: he decides that he cannot live with the thought of Marion slept with the sheriff and decides to abandon her. A to moral person can be so blind...
4. Sheriff - If he was a moral person he shouldn't have done what he did in the first place, so he got my last vote...
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posted October 29, 2001 11:19 PM |
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:LITTLE JOHN, MARION, SHERIFF, ROBIN: You are the slightly romantic realist. You respect truth, and are broadminded and flexible. Whether you are a man or a woman you are probably a happy person. You like people and they can readily make friends with you. You are not very adventurous, but this does not bother you.
...Why thank you!
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RMS
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posted October 30, 2001 01:09 AM |
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lol, but do you think that reflects you, in the least bit?
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Sha_Men
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posted October 30, 2001 08:05 AM |
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Dear Mikai...
I thing test is very two dimensional as I explain.
If we look your pick...
I understand you say how women love. Every woman are inviduals and it's hard to say how every woman like our Marion here loves without any further information but that story. If you base your opinion into some women you have met and possibly loved you, you only reflect vision from them to Marion. Sorry I don't remember what is the english term but as I said you are infact trying to judge Marion bases not on the story but basis that she is woman.
And tell you the truth I have never really loved woman so deeply but I can say I could never love woman like Marion on this story. Why? Because she is so fictionic I really wonder does that kind of women really exist.
What comes to actual choice it's your choice and you have to do your own judgements. Word "Morality test" is very much big BS for me as I don't believe into "morales". It's just way which people are forced to live.
For me also those descriptions about "how I am" are really hilarious. It couldn't have gone more further from me. If the story is like that I believe I always will pick mostly that order of characters.
So still I think test is piece of rubbish and would always pick the sheriff because only thing he does wrong is sleep with some girl who's boyfriend is in jail.
Who cares about that?
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Milena
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posted October 30, 2001 08:21 AM |
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What comes to actual choice it's your choice and you have to do your own judgements. Word "Morality test" is very much big BS for me as I don't believe into "morales". It's just way which people are forced to live.
Sha, saying there's no such thing as morale is... weird. I wonder why the Japanese suicided. *feels like a natural-born sophist*
Plus, everyone has to have an opinion. Your opinion is that this is not a good "test". I think it's funny. WHy not take it then? :-)
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Sha_Men
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posted October 30, 2001 08:32 AM |
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I see your point.
It's just that I'm obsessed with showing the human errata.
Japanese suicide...I happen to support the idea of suicide if it comes from own will. However "losing honor" isn't in my books the case when one should make suicide. Morale teachings can leave people into situation where one is judged by his "wrong" morale behaviour and he thinks his only choice is suicide.
So morale teaching lead people into situations where another one is needed. In suicide issue there must be then "don't do suicide" rule or you...And the list goes on and on.
That's why I don't really believe into morales. Tests are fun to do and also fun to comment.
I have had lot of fun with this one.
I wish nobody takes it too seriously and truly believes into that...
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Milena
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posted October 30, 2001 08:40 AM |
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LoL
Do I look like a person worked up because she was said to be "not very adventurous"? LoL. Knowing the risks I take every day, this is really amusing.
Morality is a matter of infinite subjectivity, don't you know? :-)
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