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Heroes Community > Heroes 7+ Altar of Wishes > Thread: The Perfect Temple (Naga town)
Thread: The Perfect Temple (Naga town) [ This thread is 37 pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 (34) 35 36 37 ]
War-overlord
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posted September 23, 2007 10:16 AM
Edited by War-overlord at 05:28, 24 Sep 2007.

Hello Heroes-fans, it's me War-overlord. As one of the Co-creators of the Perfect Temple I support the petition of sending the Perfect Temple to Ubisoft and Nival for future use. However as I already stated, the Perfect Temple does not fit the Format laid down by Tribes of the East anymore. For it to fit, we ned to rework the Temple by including alternative upgrades, a new balance(which will have to wait a bit until TotE comes out) and a major rework of the backstory(mainly because of inconcistencies and new revealations).

I would like to do this with the help of all of you creators and fans of the Temple, because the Temple is a good adittion to the world of Ashan and the Heroes of Might and Magic genre.

As a start I have thought of some possible alts to  some of our creatures. Know that these are just some wild ideas.

Serpent Fly alt: Pterosaur (a smal flying reptilespecies people mistake for dinosaurs, looking something like thisnull Dimorphodon) Relatively the same in motion and design, could have some sort of swooping attack reminiscent to battledive.

Lizardman Prowler alt: Lizardman Guerrilla(a lightly armoured Lizardman armed with a machette)The Guerrilla looses a fair amount of shots and the Corrosive Darts ability, but gains an No Melee Penalty and some Melee ability.

Viper Sentinel alt: Viper Hoplite (an armoured Naga armed with a Halberd) Basicly the same as a Cobra Sentinel, but replacing First Strike with some spear-related ability and losing some defence(on account of the loss of their shield) in favor of a larger damage range

Swamp Guard alt: Swamp Artillery (A Lizardman riding a large crocodile manning a small swivelballista(as seen here Ballista))Only keeping the Enraged ability, it gains Shooting, Precise Shot and a to-be-named ability to have it benefit from the Seige Machines heroskill. It does suffer from Hp, defense, speed and initiative reduction.

I've thought of some more(here's to hoping for a reaction)

Templar alt: Centurion (a large, full armoured four-armed Naga, carrying 2 Towershields and 2 shortswords) A tanking Naga, it keeps No-retaliation, but has Armoured and Taunt instead of Teleport and Meditation. It's stats will reflect it's role.

Archon alt: Archon Oracle(A blindfolded Naga Caster)Has the ability to comepletely block an opponent's stack's turn.

Leviathan alt: Lindorm (A blackish Leviathan with two legs)Looses Slither, but gains Burrow a strong battledive-like maneuvre and magic protection.

So, tell me what you guys think.
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posted September 24, 2007 02:43 PM

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Serpent Fly alt: Pterosaur (a smal flying reptilespecies people mistake for dinosaurs, looking something like thisnull Dimorphodon) Relatively the same in motion and design, could have some sort of swooping attack reminiscent to battledive.



Hummm... Why not the old and already famous dragonfly?

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posted September 24, 2007 04:12 PM
Edited by baklava at 16:12, 24 Sep 2007.

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you need a petition, make eveyone in HC sign it (or till it reachs 10,000 or something like that) and put links to it via elrath.com and celestrial heavens, that will make it big, real big, also it make help saying we would all pay $60 dollars for the expansion when released, that should make nival/ubisoft a teampting offer that not even they can refuse, and if they do.....


But... God knows we're not gonna pay 60 bucks for an expansion dude
Besides, $60*10000ppl=$600 000
Heck, I'll make the town myself for 600 000 dollars man

Nice to see you again, WarOverlord. Nice ideas too, but I agree with lfernandes, dragon flies would sort of fit better.

I'd also change:

lizardman guerilla to lizardman tracker
swamp artillery to swamp keeper

Other stuff is ok.

PS you meant lindworm, not lindorm, right?
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posted September 24, 2007 06:17 PM

There will be no more expansion.

On other hand I'm sure that everyone who buys ToE would buy next expansion as well, so we are speaking about more than 10K people.

But with passing of a time, I'm not sure our town is good enough ;P They managed to bring very good orc side (so far on paper only) and it beats perfect stronghold IMHO.

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posted September 25, 2007 10:37 AM

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Nice to see you again, WarOverlord. Nice ideas too, but I agree with lfernandes, dragon flies would sort of fit better.

I'd also change:

lizardman guerilla to lizardman tracker
swamp artillery to swamp keeper

Other stuff is ok.

PS you meant lindworm, not lindorm, right?


Did we not have a several pages spanning discussion why we shouldn't use Dragonfly as the name of the Serpentfly upgrade ? I'm sure that would still aply, we could use the name Serpenthawk though.

Lizardman Tracker isn't bad, but we should wait a while to hear other suggestions. Swamp Keeper on the other hand sounds terrible to me. I know Swamp Artillery is a bad name, but so is Swamp Keeper in my opinion.

Oh, and I did mean Lindorm. That is the Dracological name of a Dragon with a long Snakebody and 2 legs. (Yes, Dracology is an actual science, it is a speciality of Historical Zooologie. Obviously focusing on creatures of which the existence is not proven) Lindworm is a bastardized version of Lindorm, besides Lindworm is also the Dutch and German equivalent of the name Tapeworm, so I'm hesitant to use the bastardized version. But if you could come up with a better name, or better alternavie upgrades I'm happy to hear them.

As for the Perfect Temple not being up to current standards, while that is debateable we are focusing on helping make an Naga town for an Possible third expantion or Heroes VI. We are not focussing on a direct and litteral implementation(Although that would be nice).
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posted September 25, 2007 02:00 PM

I think its called "lindwyrm" in english and not lindorm (that almost sounds like swedish!).

I think the faction should be re-worked.

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posted September 25, 2007 03:15 PM

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I think its called "lindwyrm" in english and not lindorm (that almost sounds like swedish!).

I think the faction should be re-worked.


Lindorm is in fact a Swedish word, but as I stated it is the scientific name for this kind of Dragon.

We are reworking this faction, you could help if you wanted to.
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posted September 25, 2007 03:27 PM

I AM SO IN!!!!!!!!!
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posted September 25, 2007 03:44 PM

So what needs to be done in terms of editing exactly?
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posted September 25, 2007 04:01 PM
Edited by War-overlord at 16:03, 25 Sep 2007.

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So what needs to be done in terms of editing exactly?


We need new units, alts and possibly replacing entire tiers. We need to rework the descriptions of the units and create new ones for the new units, we need to edit and possibly rewrite the history, the race description and the heroes. We need to rebalance the entire faction, including the hero-skills after TotE releases and we might want to rename things in the Techtree.

So basicly just about everything.

As far as I'm concerned, we could start from scratch as long as we leave in the Naga, the Lizardmen as their allies, and the setting in the swamps.
This is mostly because we know that some things we based ourselves on are wrong(map of Ashan which we thought was after DM, but is actualy a pre-pre-alpha concept), we made several references to the Perfect Stronghold, and because there are just a lot of things that are or could be outdated.
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posted September 25, 2007 04:02 PM

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Swamp Keeper on the other hand sounds terrible to me

I know, but that's the best I could come up with at the time :\ Had to replace Artillery with something.

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Did we not have a several pages spanning discussion why we shouldn't use Dragonfly as the name of the Serpentfly upgrade ?

Did we?
Can't remember. It was a long time ago...

Lindorm is ok with me, then. Didn't know about the Dracological term.
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posted September 25, 2007 04:13 PM

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So what needs to be done in terms of editing exactly?


We need new units, alts and possibly replacing entire tiers. We need to rework the descriptions of the units and create new ones for the new units, we need to edit and possibly rewrite the history, the race description and the heroes. We need to rebalance the entire faction, including the hero-skills after TotE releases and we might want to rename things in the Techtree.

So basicly just about everything.

As far as I'm concerned, we could start from scratch as long as we leave in the Naga, the Lizardmen as their allies, and the setting in the swamps.
This is mostly because we know that some things we based ourselves on are wrong(map of Ashan which we thought was after DM, but is actualy a pre-pre-alpha concept), we made several references to the Perfect Stronghold, and because there are just a lot of things that are or could be outdated.


Really, such large changes? Why do we need to replace whole tiers, because there are similarities with Orc troops? I don't mean to sound offensive in any way, I'm just shocked that there is so much that needs to be doing! Then again, I haven't read through the final details of the town, so I can't really say such things.

ATM I don't have the will to go through the proposal to find stuff that needs changing, but I will keep an eye on the thread and may, once I've finished my current project, see what I can come up with.
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posted September 25, 2007 05:02 PM

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lizardman guerilla to lizardman tracker
swamp artillery to swamp keeper


no more artillery, there for Heroes to use off the main creature thing (not bought from blacksmith), swamp keeper sounds to much like a lizardman for me

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Did we not have a several pages spanning discussion why we shouldn't use Dragonfly as the name of the Serpentfly upgrade ?


agree, no dragonfly, too many dragons type creatures in the game already for me
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posted September 26, 2007 08:30 AM

Hey... Instead of Lindorm, why not sth based on the Aztec god Queatzeacoatl? The name could be "Plummed Serpent" (as it was another name for the god itself) and it would be a flying unit...

I know the idea needs some improvement (it just came out)... but...

What do you think?

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posted September 26, 2007 01:31 PM

Sure, i can help.

Queatzeacoatl is an Coatl. I think that the alternate upgrade should be Sea/Swamp Serpent, it would lose its wings.

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posted September 26, 2007 03:11 PM

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Sure, i can help.

Queatzeacoatl is an Coatl. I think that the alternate upgrade should be Sea/Swamp Serpent, it would lose its wings.


Well, I understand that Coatl is BASED upon the aztec god, but can't be it...

And my proposition is "Plummed Serpent"... Which is also BASED on the aztec god...

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posted September 27, 2007 06:32 AM

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Well, I understand that Coatl is BASED upon the aztec god, but can't be it...

So what you're suggesting that we put the actual Aztec god as a level 1 unit?  
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posted September 27, 2007 06:51 AM

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Well, I understand that Coatl is BASED upon the aztec god, but can't be it...

So what you're suggesting that we put the actual Aztec god as a level 1 unit?  


I think you misunderstood...

The sentence you quoted is about Coatl, which is a level 1 unit, which, according to Xerox IS queatzeacoatl...

My suggestion is on the alt. upg. for Leviathan (LEVEL 7 unit) to be a creature as a Huge Feathered Serpent, which could be based on the Aztec God... Maybe it could loose slyther, but be able to fly, becoming faster than the actual Leviathan, instead of using the 'Lindorm' creature.






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posted January 31, 2008 09:43 AM

i think the coutl idea would be great... perhaps it having lightning breath ZZZAAAAPPP!!!

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posted August 27, 2008 09:01 AM

Hey guys, I seem to have crawled back from under the rock I have appearantly been hiding under. And accuse me of beating a dead horse all you want, but I'd like to try to revive this thread again; so we might try to recreate this faction to fit the standards of TotE.

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So what needs to be done in terms of editing exactly?




We need new units, alts and possibly replacing entire tiers. We need to rework the descriptions of the units and create new ones for the new units, we need to edit and possibly rewrite the history, the race description and the heroes. We need to rebalance the entire faction, including the hero-skills after TotE releases and we might want to rename things in the Techtree.

So basicly just about everything.

As far as I'm concerned, we could start from scratch as long as we leave in the Naga, the Lizardmen as their allies, and the setting in the swamps.
This is mostly because we know that some things we based ourselves on are wrong(map of Ashan which we thought was after DM, but is actualy a pre-pre-alpha concept), we made several references to the Perfect Stronghold, and because there are just a lot of things that are or could be outdated.

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