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Thread: The Perfect Temple (Naga town) This thread is 37 pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 ... 10 20 30 ... 33 34 35 36 37 · «PREV / NEXT»
SBlister
SBlister


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Rakshasa Commander
posted October 01, 2006 05:56 PM

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   quote:EDIT: The actual spelling is Couatl.

Sez who ? I cannot find it spelled like that anywhere, except for the Cuoatl of Blizzard, but the point was that we don't want to be similar to them. So let's stick to spelling it without the U.


Google couatl and see. Wizards of the coast uses the same spelling. But it doesnt make a difference and this is pointless essentially. Acidic spit for the lizardmen is a good idea. The spear vs blow dart thing, i say we should put that to a vote.
I was thinking of a skill for the upgraded lizardman (the chameleon sniper). If the chameleon decides to move to another square but not attack in that turn, it can turn invisible and the enemy wouldn't know which square the chameleon is hiding. the only way you would know is if you accidently moved a stack next to where the hidden sniper is standing. that would reveal the snipers position. I call it CAMOFLAGE. A good tactic to employ is should the sniper get attacked melee-wise, it can always go invisible to another square and then shoot in its next turn. the enemy can also choose whether to look for the sniper of attack another stack. what do u think?
I love the death roll concept but u must remember theres a lizardman atop the croc/basilisk. if it were to death roll, the lizard would be squashed. so here's my take, the croc/basilisk simply dashes to the side (aka some other square) without actually rolling. its purely a visual change. i love the concept though.
ok, we can only choose one: geyser or tidal wave because its almost the same thing (not techincally but visually, both deal with water). what about my trample idea?
PS - i have no idea what ur talking bout sinbad. who says no one cares ur moody? everyone cares cuz ur essentially very disruptive and u havent posted anything contributive. u said u wud post a stronghold, u didnt. u claim u want to make a naga town, u didnt. so whats up?

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War-overlord
War-overlord


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Presidente of Isla del Tropico
posted October 01, 2006 06:01 PM

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You really dont know whats with me? That just proves you are selfish and havent been even thinking whats with me! But nevermind... Doesnt matter... Nobody cares that Im moody... But thats simply me - I always make enemies of my friends somehow, but I usually dont care, because I dont want friends that dont want to be friends. I always stay neutral...

But lets be optimistic!
I dont care about this naga town! I have my own and Im happy!

And one more thing: Im having a new avatar soon, so you can see quite exactly how I would be looking at you.


Sinbad I agree with you. I feel like my ideas are not being respected as well, and exactly like you I have my own Naga town which fits much better with the game then the direction this town is headed. So I care very little, I figured I'd try to help since I didn't get to help on the last one, but if my help in unwanted what am I going to do?
None the less, I am satisfied with the advice I offered. And I don't regret abandoning this thread now.


First of all, I'v say in the first post of this thread that we will consider only constructive comments for our town will be considered. Sinbad has done nothing constructive in thsi thread yet.

Wilx, I'm sorry you feel unrespected, but the aspects you cover in your posts have already been discussed. I know it is hard to keep up with the posting, but anything you say that has to do with the current debates will be taken into considereantion. Just don't expect the team to accept a fully made town.
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SBlister
SBlister


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posted October 01, 2006 06:10 PM
Edited by SBlister at 18:16, 01 Oct 2006.

And speaking of rejected ideas; I've had my share of rejected ideas. I gave 5 names for the town: ALL REJECTED. I had god knows how many creature names rejected. My idea for a first level shooter lizardman rejected. i wanted lizardmen as slaves: rejected. even war-overlord and action jack had a fair bit of their ideas rejected but we took the best. thats how we make something good by taking the best ideas. you on the other hand sinbad just force ur ideas: We MUST name it CONSERVATORY, we MUST NOT have LIZARDMEN. Chill dude. Come up with some good ideas and they'll definately make it. Don't shoot ppl down so fast simply cuz their ideas differ from ur own.

EDIT: War-Overlord, for the coatl, the weakening bite should have a SLOW spell effect instead of weakness effect cuz thats what the spectral dragons do. Also you can't really call the upgraded lizardman a sniper if he's using a blow dart. both lizards need a name change.

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War-overlord
War-overlord


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Presidente of Isla del Tropico
posted October 01, 2006 06:25 PM

Having a slowwing bite for the Coatl is fine by me. I don't see why we couldn't call the upgrade a sniper. A sniper per definition is a marksman with exceptional aim, it isn't limited to guns or bows. The fact that they mostly operate in stealth is merely a tactical choice.

Camouflage, is a nice idea but I don't think it is workable. But if you can come up with a plausible way of explaining the reason why only the upgrade has camouflage, we could talk about it again.
I want to debate the the squashing of the Lizardman during the Deathroll. Have you ever been to a rodeo ? The guys who  ride the "berserk horse" (don't know the offical therm), have to cope with such rolls a lot and the experienced ones don't gett squashed. For the Lizards it is the same thing, there a couple of ways of dealing with a Deathroll as long as you know when one is coming. The first way is to dismount and remount realy quickly, which can be practised. Secondly, if we use a sadle, you could fit it loosly to the animal and slide with the sadle in the opposite direction. This is even easier when you don't use a sadle.
Lastly, the person being squashed itself is debatable. Because the animal is putting most of it's weight into the rolling motion, there is very little weight put on the rider, on top of that the moment that the weight is on the rider is very short. Also Dashing sideways is not realy realistic for any kind of reptile, because of their physical structure it takes reptiles very long to make a turn.
As for the Geyser<> Tidalwave, my vote would be for Tidalwave. While trample is a realy good idea, I don't think it fits a serpentdragon. It's more fitting for your Mammoth idea from our previous project.
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SBlister
SBlister


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posted October 01, 2006 06:41 PM

Sniper sniper... the name still bugs me a little. If i think of a better one I'll let you know. Too bad headhunter is used by blizzard. Why only the upgrades have camoflage...simple... different breed of lizardman. the chameleon sniper. chameleons can change color, so this one could in essence blend in with the surroundings. they wear a minimal amount of clothing and a little bit of magic to help them.
i dont know if you remember the scene from LOTR: The Two Towers where they ppl of Rohan were fighting the warg riders. and legolas was shooting arrows up on the knoll way before they actually clashed. then when the riders appeared he did this whole sommersault maneuver and got on to the horse. maybe we can use that for the deathroll. because i really like the concept. like i said its more of a visual problem. or the other one could be the lizard just jumps off, the croc rolls and he quickly gets back on again. while we're on the subject of dashing, crocs can move really really fast to the side. its unbelievable. ok tidal wave it is, wrath we have to change to something else totally new. hmm... if u include camoflage but remove wrath, it means we have 4 more abilities to think of.

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Sindbad
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posted October 01, 2006 07:02 PM
Edited by Sindbad at 19:06, 01 Oct 2006.

Thanks WilX, that you still stay with me.

And guys, maybe I was a bit fast with making enemies out of you and my ideas werent very constructive. Im more of a critic and write only my oppinons and comments. Besides, WHO rejects all the ideas? But as I said, this town is already running out of control and in a wrong direction. So I better stay with my ideas and say to you: farewell...

PS: I dont see you as any enemies, foes or opponents, but niether as my friends - I always stay neutral.
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SBlister
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posted October 01, 2006 07:05 PM

Sinbad, why dont u actually make a Naga town so ppl will at least know what your ideas are in the first place.

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War-overlord
War-overlord


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Presidente of Isla del Tropico
posted October 01, 2006 07:06 PM

Ok, we include Camouflage for the Level 2. I do remember the Summersault move, but since we're using a sideways roll it's better to make it a sideways one. With 4 more abilities to think of at least one should be included in the now rather empty Priestess- High Priestess.
How about Double Caster for the High Priestess, it'll give her the ability to cast twice in one round. (We would need some dammage spells then). One down.
What if we gave the Water Dragon Frost Breath as a breath-attack and immunity for water. Two more down.
What if we gave the Templars the Zeal ability, which would ignore No-Retaliation ability.
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War-overlord
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posted October 01, 2006 07:09 PM

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Im more of a critic and write only my oppinons and comments. Besides, WHO rejects all the ideas?


I reject most of the ideas, but I let my own ideas be rejected, perhaps more in the first project, but it'll come more along the way.
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SBlister
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posted October 01, 2006 07:10 PM

Double caster is toooo overpowering. and besides you'll run out of spells within 1 and a half rounds. water immunity and frost breath are rather weak. it makes it too much like the magma dragon. even the name water wyrm should be changed to like blue/azure wyrm. the priestess does need an ability. zeal is too overpowering. no retaliation should be left unretaliable. lets take a moment and think the last 4 abilities through. we are in no rush. besides, other ppl may have something to add...

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Sindbad
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posted October 01, 2006 07:12 PM
Edited by Sindbad at 19:13, 01 Oct 2006.

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Sinbad, why dont u actually make a Naga town so ppl will at least know what your ideas are in the first place.


I cant do it right now! First I was thinking I would start my thread complete and send my whole idea. But then someone told me I should send it in parts so its better. And now Im stuck with the 3rd part and the naga town is in the 8th! And I included the alternative creature system in so it cant be sent here just so... Also I have to explain the parts 4. - 7., so you would understand what I actually wrote. I know its very complicated, but it isnt that easy to make a whole H5 system...
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DragonLord3000
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posted October 01, 2006 07:15 PM

Double speel cast indeed would seem overpowered.

Let's add a level 4 spell in their spellbook.magic mirror or divine armour....
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SBlister
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posted October 01, 2006 07:19 PM

Divine armor? How does that work? Does it soak up damage or is it like magic proof?

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DragonLord3000
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posted October 01, 2006 07:21 PM

I do not know it's real name but it soaked up almost all the damage the respective creature received.
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Sindbad
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The lost soul
posted October 01, 2006 07:23 PM

I think you are talkin bout arcane armor. Thats a lvl 5 summoning spell.
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actionjack
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posted October 01, 2006 07:26 PM
Edited by actionjack at 19:26, 01 Oct 2006.

in observation of this thread....

Its more or less becoming the  "big boy's club", by that I mean its becoming just a discussion back and forth between handful of people.  In such case, it is easy to exlude the ideas of what they don't want, and keep only what they want, which devalue the thread as a community effort.  That is fine, but tagging the word perfect made it sound like your view is the only one that is true and great.

We each have own view.  If you don't feel like people suggesting what they want, well, make it a more private matter, and not say open to all people's voice, only to drown those of their idea.

So on the risk of creating too many threads, it would still be suggested that if your idea of naga town is different from that is so far develop here.. don't be discourage, and put it on its own thread.  
 

But I will stay on this thead, cause it entertaining.    

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Sindbad
Sindbad


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The lost soul
posted October 01, 2006 07:44 PM

I fully agree with you, actionjack.

And I think Im staying at this thread. Im not going to write any ideas here, but I just cant get rid of it anymore! I always have post in my e-mail!
And its becoming a reality show if you know what I mean...
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watcher83
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posted October 01, 2006 07:52 PM

I have to say I agree with Sinbad and actionjack. Not really many ideas are accepted.
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Sindbad
Sindbad


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The lost soul
posted October 01, 2006 08:05 PM

Now SBlister and War-Overlord should feel ashamed...
I think its true that no noobs are welcome in this thread, because SBlister and War-Overlord dont actually accept anone elses ideas. And they reject ideas without reasons. What if you would first ask me why I think my ideas suit better instead of instantly reject them? (I couldnt write too much at that time, because I had some work)
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SBlister
SBlister


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posted October 01, 2006 08:15 PM

Ok. Stop. everyone... list your ideas. Take what exists and come up with something that fits. right now we need 4 abilities for a bunch of units. And names of dwellings. And a racial skill and hero type. there pour ur ideas into those parts. but yes the nagas are a swamp town not a sea town, mayan/aztec architecture, blah blah.
action jack - why are u complaining? ur ideas got implemented!!!

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