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Heroes Community > Tournament of Honor > Thread: Long live Haven :)
Thread: Long live Haven :) [ This thread is 2 pages long: (1) 2 ]
valkyrica
valkyrica


Supreme Hero
posted November 05, 2006 04:25 AM
Edited by valkyrica at 04:29, 05 Nov 2006.

Long live Haven :)

Teacher was squashed by the mighty forces of Haven (check out the attack )


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zilonite
zilonite


Famous Hero
posted November 05, 2006 05:51 AM

Hoho, looks nice Which week it was?

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valkyrica
valkyrica


Supreme Hero
posted November 05, 2006 06:06 AM

beginning of 6
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nevermind
nevermind


Famous Hero
posted November 05, 2006 09:44 AM

Sad picture in my eyes

Shows how unbalanced that town is..
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rychenroller
rychenroller


Promising
Supreme Hero
posted November 05, 2006 09:01 PM
Edited by rychenroller at 21:02, 05 Nov 2006.

Excuse my noobish ignorance...but why the stacks of griffins and no angels/paladins?
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nevermind
nevermind


Famous Hero
posted November 06, 2006 12:16 AM
Edited by nevermind at 00:44, 06 Nov 2006.

Well

I'm assuming the tactic is save the useless money on those useless angels and instead put it into training early makes ur hero much better faster but whether its a good enough tactics , well usually is - i do too never build those useless angels but if the map is rich enough i would build paladins as they are great units.
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the_teacher
the_teacher


Supreme Hero
Talk to the hand!
posted November 06, 2006 03:10 AM
Edited by the_teacher at 03:12, 06 Nov 2006.

Quote:
Excuse my noobish ignorance...but why the stacks of griffins and no angels/paladins?


few battles have been fought, and this was the remaining army.
btw, just as a side note, some other game, "marksmen (400) hit titans 8800 damage" (without good luck)

training cost should be raised for this first phase of upgrading,imo, and trainig squires being, if not the same price, even cheaper to encourage using different strategies, or the marksmen will do all the dirty job. it's not a whine, they could be outmaneuvered ,but must be very very careful how u play and must have the army/spells that allow you to do that. they're still the game winners , imo, killing machine.



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zilonite
zilonite


Famous Hero
posted November 06, 2006 03:33 AM

Quote:


training cost should be raised for this first phase of upgrading,imo, and trainig squires being, if not the same price, even cheaper to encourage using different strategies, or the marksmen will do all the dirty job. it's not a whine, they could be outmaneuvered ,but must be very very careful how u play and must have the army/spells that allow you to do that. they're still the game winners , imo, killing machine.




100% agreed, the most correct description of the situation as it is now.

Marksmen are beatable, but this indeed requires very, very carefull and some times even sort of dirt playing (e.g., hit and run strategy). Also the proposal for changes hits the point - training is not a problem itself, main problem is only first level of training (from peasants to archers).

I almost never agree to play all-random games anymore, as on 95% of maps this might lead to huge imbalances (exception is Ashes and Sands )

Albeit even with the situation, as it is now, it is possible to make fair games against Haven. All we need is really carefully balanced maps, which means at least:
a)limited amounts of gold;
b)boosted amounts of other resources, so that other towns have fair chance to build up their army.

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Arangar
Arangar


Famous Hero
Weak ranger - lost viking
posted November 06, 2006 04:12 AM

no muie ma?

The caesar is full of life these days

/shiver

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Ghasteater
Ghasteater


Known Hero
posted November 06, 2006 06:32 AM

He-he interesting thing...

But let's calculate Empowered (non lucky) implosion with shoes and SP 30.

1860 damage. Even Half can kill 90 marksmen that is equal more 10000 gold lose if they trained...

Seems i gladly play dungeon vs haven, ON THIS MAP, but i already have situation when Sinitar high levels and with Enlightmens have lvl bonuses to sp +1/+2 at 10+lvl.

Zilo and Betruger know that... And i also See Pime_Kala's Sinitar with 10 attack and 4 sp.


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the_teacher
the_teacher


Supreme Hero
Talk to the hand!
posted November 06, 2006 07:52 AM

the problem is : ok ok marksmen very good at close range agree with that, but how do u feel when 300 marksmen melee the shadow dragon killing 18 on retaliation? melee i repeat.
dont u think u need a keyboard replacement then? cause i definetelly changed due to it sno longer functionality

this is another chapter from that game

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Jinxer
Jinxer


Legendary Hero
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posted November 06, 2006 08:32 AM

Hmm how is that even possible?  As I posted in another post.... In a recent game on same map vs. Arangar. His 754 Marks man was doing 50 ranged damage. So cant imagine how 300 could kill 18 shadow dragons with melee attack???


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zilonite
zilonite


Famous Hero
posted November 06, 2006 08:45 AM
Edited by zilonite at 08:49, 06 Nov 2006.

Quote:
Hmm how is that even possible?  As I posted in another post.... In a recent game on same map vs. Arangar. His 754 Marks man was doing 50 ranged damage. So cant imagine how 300 could kill 18 shadow dragons with melee attack???




If one presumes, that Teacher had more or less typic Dungeon hero, that would count for no more then some 10 Defense. As we can see picture, pretty-boy Klaus has almost 40 attack.

Adding exp attack

Adding expert Counterstrike (knight's racial skill)

May be some Frenzy perk (+ 1 damage)

May be some Bloody Claw artie (+ 1 damage)

May be week of Might
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If all of this sums up...


Albeit I should admit, that getting lvl 27 and 40 attack by early week 6 is really, really good game from Valky's side.

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Arangar
Arangar


Famous Hero
Weak ranger - lost viking
posted November 06, 2006 08:59 AM

he's on fire

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Ghasteater
Ghasteater


Known Hero
posted November 06, 2006 09:12 AM

Also is luck (Was reatliation attack lucky??? And retribution (up to 25%) factors is present
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the_teacher
the_teacher


Supreme Hero
Talk to the hand!
posted November 06, 2006 09:16 AM

no luck but having some buffs, righteous might and divine strength.
my hero had only 12 defense, it was level 26.

as a bottom line, i enjoy the game , even with such surprises

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TitaniumAlloy
TitaniumAlloy


Honorable
Legendary Hero
Professional
posted November 06, 2006 09:47 AM

that's gotta burn
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valkyrica
valkyrica


Supreme Hero
posted November 06, 2006 11:14 AM

That was the remaining army after 2 battles.

The marksmen you see in there retaliated in melee and killed 25 shadow dragons w/o luck, teach lost count of the numbers as the keys from his keyboard were flying by

retribution, master counterstrike, battle frenzy, claw of bla bla, righteous might and divine strength (from the inquisitors).

Griffins weren't bad either

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Sir_Kiril_bg
Sir_Kiril_bg


Hired Hero
posted November 06, 2006 03:15 PM

Coming close to marksman is not the best idea teleport spell would have been perfect.

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Jinxer
Jinxer


Legendary Hero
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posted November 06, 2006 03:18 PM

25 shadow Dragons?? You sure it wasnt week 13 instead of week 6.  Not even possible to get 25 Shadow Drags by week 6.  
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