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posted November 10, 2007 06:33 AM |
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Edited by Duncan at 06:38, 10 Nov 2007.
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Another page for the unsolved mystery
@FoG:
Did the 4th person deliberately poison the food so that the three would die? -- Yes, already in the reconstruction.
Did the 4th person go into the meeting planning on poisoning the trio, or was he still undecided until events of that night unfolded? -- No! A big no. He was never a threat to the 3. He neither was ever undecided, but something prompted him to the action.
As to your other questions, the answer is No. My earlier comment is an important clue: Whatever being discussed doesn't really matter, just bear in mind they knew him by reputation and considered it bad.
EDIT: It actually does matter, I'm just trying to avoid too much details. Just the fact that they knew his bad reputation and had some disagreement should suffice.
@roy-algriffin:
Ok so they found something in the backyard, And it was not valuable nor meant to incriminate the fourth person. then before they were poisoned they were looking for something abstract, and then the fourth person poisoned them.
-- I never said they found something from the backyard. They dig something that the fourth person would rather not have seen.
ok so was what they were looking for related in any way to their emotions? -- Yes!
Was what they were looking for was a discussion between themselves? -- Yes!
Was what they were looking for have anything specific to do with the room in mind (as in could they have used another room in the house just as easily)? -- No. Nothing specific, they could have used any other room. It just happened it's the closest to the dining room.
did the fourth person bring laxitives from the backyard to make them go to the toilet? -- No.
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kookastar
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posted November 10, 2007 06:37 AM |
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Did they dig up the remains of a body?
Was it human?
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Duncan
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posted November 10, 2007 06:41 AM |
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No Kooka  Not an object.
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Duncan
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posted November 10, 2007 06:44 AM |
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Hey wait, I didn't see this!
was the backyard actually a cemetary? -- Yes!!!!!
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kookastar
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posted November 10, 2007 06:45 AM |
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hmm they dug up something that wasn't an object...
was it a ghost/spirit?
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kookastar
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posted November 10, 2007 06:49 AM |
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was it an empty coffin? {I think this has already been asked - the absense of someting...}
HMMMMMMMMMMMM
this is an awesome riddle duncan
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Duncan
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posted November 10, 2007 06:53 AM |
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Alas! My faulty English. They dug something, not dug up. Sorry Kooka. Very close to an empty coffin...
Thx for the compliment btw 
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posted November 10, 2007 06:55 AM |
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Was the hole in the backyard/cemetary big enough for a person to be buried in?
Did person #4 think thay he was going to be murdered?
Did he discover the hole while the other 3 were having a discussion in the room next door?
Was the room next door upset because of angry emotions (people throwing stuff around)?
Did the three have a discussion to decide whether they should kill the 4th person?
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kookastar
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posted November 10, 2007 06:58 AM |
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Did they dig up a grave?
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Duncan
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posted November 10, 2007 07:01 AM |
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Edited by Duncan at 07:17, 10 Nov 2007.
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Was the hole in the backyard/cemetary big enough for a person to be buried in?
Did person #4 think thay he was going to be murdered?
Did he discover the hole while the other 3 were having a discussion in the room next door?
Was the room next door upset because of angry emotions (people throwing stuff around)?
Did the three have a discussion to decide whether they should kill the 4th person?
Did they dig up a grave?
-- GOTCHA! BINGO! YOU GOT THEM ALL!!
Just to wrap up a bit: How did he finally poison them? Then could you please reconstruct the whole story, would you?
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friendofgunnar
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posted November 10, 2007 07:10 AM |
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Is it relevant at all what gender the trio was?
Is it relevant what #4's past was?
if so,
was he suspected of murdering people with poisen?
was he a war criminal who used toxic agents to kill people?
did he propose a final toast after discovering the 3's intentions (which he had poisened with toxic agents)?
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Duncan
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posted November 10, 2007 07:32 AM |
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Edited by Duncan at 07:36, 10 Nov 2007.
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Is it relevant at all what gender the trio was? -- No. Already answered this to Bin's question on page 32.
Is it relevant what #4's past was? -- His overall reputation is.
was he suspected of murdering people with poisen? -- No/irrelevant.
was he a war criminal who used toxic agents to kill people? -- No/irrelevant.
did he propose a final toast after discovering the 3's intentions (which he had poisened with toxic agents)? -- He proposed the final toast, yes! He poisoned them, but he was not the one putting the poison. How did that happen?
We're close, man. The background of the people isn't that much important now. How he poisoned them is.
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friendofgunnar
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posted November 10, 2007 07:48 AM |
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Did he overhear that he was going to be poisened?
Did he manage to take his own poisoned drink or food and place it in the trio's drink or food someway?
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friendofgunnar
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posted November 10, 2007 07:51 AM |
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was there poison in two different wine or drink bottles and he switched the wine someway?
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Duncan
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posted November 10, 2007 08:02 AM |
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Did he overhear that he was going to be poisened? -- Yes!
Did he manage to take his own poisoned drink or food and place it in the trio's drink or food someway? -- Another yes!
was there poison in two different wine or drink bottles and he switched the wine someway? -- And another yes!
Honestly, it was difficult for me to clue in into this part when there's a question if "the poison was intentionally slipped into their drinks". He didn't put some poisonous pills (or any toxic agents for that matter) himself into their drinks, but he had a chance to swap his food & drinks with those 3's, so I gave a Yes to that question But I tried to clue in another way by saying "where the poison came is highly relevant". Should someone has asked whether the poison came from the 3 or the 4th, this would have been revealed.
So, would you do the favor (and the honor) to reconstruct the whole story?
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friendofgunnar
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posted November 10, 2007 09:02 AM |
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1959 East Berlin
Herr Mittraub and his French wife Eliza have been searching for a Professor who, during the war, conducted mycological toxin experiments on subjects at the Anterslaachen University. The university recieved their test subjects from a hospital in eastern France that was an asylum for mentally deficient people, one of whom was Eliza's sister. Finally they tracked Professor Langstucken down. He was going under the name Dieter Petraus now and he was working as a petty beaurocrat in the communist food safety department (because of his experience in dealing with fungi).
They befriended him through a card playing club and invited him to dinner. They also invited a man named Klaus Brenslick, who was a mushroom collector. The reason for this was so that they would have an expert who could verify that Petraus was indeed a mycology expert.
They prepared their revenge. Their dining room overlooks a cemetary- a fitting place to dispose of the evidence of their actions. So they found a gravesite and excavated it, put a board down, and replaced the turf.
When Petraus came they sat down to dinner and started chatting. On the table was a platter of pickled mushrooms, which served as a spur for the discussion by which Brenslick would be able to confirm if this was indeed the man they were looking for. After only a short discussion it became obvious that this man was indeed an expert on mycology, funguses, and mushrooms. Klaus gave the signal and the three convened to the other room.
Meanwhile Petraus/Langstucken stepped into the backyard for a cigarette. Walking around he noticed the freshly dug gravesite, but he took no notice of it at the time. When he returned to the house he found the three people still hadn't returned yet. They were in fact in a heated discussion about whether to finish the plot.
Mittraub worried about people connecting them to Petraus, and he also thought that bygones should be bygones. Eliza meanwhile was furious that her husband had gotten cold feet. She wanted vengeance, and she needed Mittraub's cooperation to enact it. Brenslick meanwhile, who was a communist and had been thrown in a prison for being a consciencious objector during the war resented the Nazis and sided with Eliza.
Petraus heard the woman's shriek. A shriek that sent a cold chill of foreboding through his body, for it suddenly brought back memories of a similar shriek he heard 17 years earlier while he had been conducting his experiments. Suddenly the freshly dug grave came to mind and he knew what the purpose of the dinner was.
He went to the front door and found it locked. He went to the back but found that it was a church cemetary and it was surrounded by a tall hedge and spiked gate. So he went to the front drawing room trying to find an exit. He didn't find one but he did find a air grate behind a chair where he could hear the three plotters. Listening in he heard Brenslick, the mushroom collector, mention the bottle of poisoned wine. So that was how they were going to do it.
Thinking quickly he returned to the living room. After forming a funnel out of a cigarette wrapper he decanted the poison wine onto a empty milk bottle he had found in the kitchen. Then he poured the normal wine into the poison bottle and poured the poison wine into the normal bottle.
After the trio returned they offered him some wine. Knowing his preference from the card club they knew that he would pick the Burgundy. He did, refreshed at the thought that he had escaped death. They drank the final toast. After watching them receive the fate that they had prepared for him he searched for a way out. Finally he found a key on Mittraubs body. He left quickly and quietly and spoke not a word to anyone of the night's events.
hahah couldn't plug all the plot holes 
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Duncan
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posted November 10, 2007 09:17 AM |
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Edited by Duncan at 09:27, 10 Nov 2007.
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LOL!! Fantastic!   I didn't expect that. That must be the theory on your mind all along. Thanks man. While you wrote that I also did mine, so for those who prefer the remake which is told in much shorter version can read below. But the details don't compare
EDIT: I reread again your version, this time digesting slowly and carefully, and damn! Beautifully wrapped up! The difference with my version being in yours it's a one-time murder.
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Murder by Three
Three people invited a man for a dinner. They despised his reputation and planned to kill him during dinner. In fact, those three had done this several times and always buried the bodies in the backyard of the house owned by one of them. When the invited person came, they had discussion during dinner that led to some disagreement between him and the group and also among the group. So the three took some time to discuss this matter in the room next door and had a big fight as they couldn't agree whether to carry on with the plan. During that period, the guest was suspicious and took a walk, and from the window - despite the dark of the night - he could see the backyard that resembled a cemetery and saw an empty hole! He then overheard the discussion and realised he was going to be killed via poison served in his drink. So he swapped the drinks and when the three came out and rejoined, he proposed the final toast that delivered the kills...
 
Congratulations folks! You just solved a muder case! Bravo! Kudos to you all *applauding, bow to the crowd* I'm amazed with your creativity in exploring the ground with variety of questions. Head counts: Mytical, Russ, FoG, Kooka, Binabik, Ceres, Roy-algriffin, Zeromus, The Death... thanks for participating. As for myself, this riddle isn't original. It's taken from a movie, I think it's titled "Murder by Five" (ring a bell?). Cameron Diaz and Bill Paxton starred in there. There were actually 5 people who comitted the crime, but I changed the number to avoid startling recollection from it. In that movie they eventually cancelled the idea, but it was too late...
I've to admit it's very difficult playing this game on my part (I think Kooka can answer this better.) Often, wanting this be solved, I couldn't resist to provide more clues and hints. Hence bending the Yes/No/Irrelevant rule many times 
Tomorrow is the first anniversary of this thread. Shall we celebrate with a new riddle? Anyone? 
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dimis
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posted March 04, 2008 07:43 AM |
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Edited by dimis at 07:45, 04 Mar 2008.
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Ant walk
About a week ago I encountered a riddle which is one of a kind. If you know it guys please don't spoil the fun for the rest.
Here we go:
You are given the following parallelepiped, and two spots (blue color).
An ant is on the inside of the parallelepiped and wants to move from one blue spot to another. Can the poor ant follow a route which is shorter than 42 units just like the red and green routes below?
If so, how? No cheating ....
Amazing right?
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friendofgunnar
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posted March 04, 2008 09:17 AM |
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Why, it's quite simple actually
solve for all x:
(6^2 + x^2)^.5 + ((6+11 - X)^2 + 31^2)^.5 < 42
actually I have no idea how to solve that
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Binabik
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posted March 04, 2008 09:42 AM |
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Edited by Binabik at 10:28, 04 Mar 2008.
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Can the poor ant follow a route which is shorter than 42 units just like the red and green routes below?
Yes
Spoiler for shortest path below (mirrored and rotated)
I also have a drawing I can upload later.
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