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Shauku83
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posted January 17, 2007 04:48 PM |
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Actually counterspell doesn't work against neutrals (1.4). I was Academy and thought I could clear Druid Elders easily with counterspell...it was greyed out. It can be used only against Heroes but then any spell cast on the battlefield, even creatures, will trigger it.
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86wyp
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posted January 17, 2007 04:50 PM |
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Thanks zuraffo and elvin
No matter what strategy you choose you need some luck to win in this game that's for sure. Towerlord lost didn't because he used the wrong strategy(btw that wasn't look like MMR)but because of havez+galib+week2 rush
MMR is created just for rush as what this name tells you. But academy has to rely on more than one school of magic no matter what hero, what difficulty level and what map it is. Haven learns attack and leadership and luck, academy learns attack and leadership and luck too, then everyone can tell that academy will lose. But what if academy learns light and dark and summoning(of course miniartis too)? From what I know academy has a big chance to win.
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Doomforge
Admirable
Undefeatable Hero
Retired Hero
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posted January 17, 2007 04:56 PM |
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wow, 86wyp you finally came here.. ;p Do it a little bit more often!
Btw. discussing marksmen imbalance became boring, we need a new imbalance to whine on. Any ideas? 
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theluCas
Adventuring Hero
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posted January 17, 2007 05:41 PM |
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Welcome back 86wyp, u started here lively discussion. Can u tell us more about effective strategies with other's town? I am interested in sylvan and fortress, i will be thankful for any info about it, because this two town makes me greatest problems. But sylvan with wyngafal(hero with bonus to starting initiative) and elfs, druids is quite nice.
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86wyp
Adventuring Hero
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posted January 17, 2007 08:22 PM |
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I really wish I could be here and discuss with you guys more often, but work is work
Anyway dougal+marksmen is not that imba, every faction can counter it with their own ways. Sylvan can be very strong in a late game, though I don't think Sylvan is hard to beat in a game of rush. The main reason I don't like Sylvan is that avenger is based completely on luck. I need to find the right monsters in time, or I am in despair.
I didn't play homm3, but at least in homm5, magic is no less important than might and could often be gotten easier and earlier than might. Haven is very mighty but their lack spell power and mana, Dungeon is great with magics but their troops are kinda weak because elemental chain doesn't buff troops as much as training or avenger do. Academy, Necropolis and Fortress on the other hand are well belanced with might and magic, and I think these three factions are somewhat stronger than the remaining four.
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Shauku83
Promising
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posted January 17, 2007 08:40 PM |
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Edited by Shauku83 at 20:41, 17 Jan 2007.
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Hey, good that you are back  Just a quick question, what time do you build Library? I mean in relation to the Mage Guilds and the week... Because choosing Dark or Detructive is linked heavily on Library.
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86wyp
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posted January 18, 2007 05:10 PM |
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Hey, good that you are back Just a quick question, what time do you build Library? I mean in relation to the Mage Guilds and the week... Because choosing Dark or Detructive is linked heavily on Library.
That depends. Normally I would build mage guilds first(on the first two weeks most of the time) to get high level summoning magics and to see if there was resurrection, or implosion etc., then I would stop leveling, came back to the town to learn magic and to wait for library. In other cases like when the hero got a lot of power when leveling(in a couple of times my academy hero got 18p in the second week),or I was going to rush very early, then I may learn dark or destructive early and build library early to see if I could find more useful dark and/or destructive magics. Sometime you can find more high level magics on maybe a second town, or other buildings. For example if I happen to find an sylvan town then maybe I am going to learn destructive and light magic skills asap.
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supphanat
Hired Hero
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posted January 25, 2007 10:56 PM |
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hi I have a question. I quite agree that MMR is a good stategy but does it work against human player because I am using this stategy (not necessary be a wizard, I think this stategy is good with any fraction as I have tested with AI player even using knight) but I have never played with human player with this stategy.
I have seen you posted many pictures. Are those aginst human player?
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theluCas
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thiNk
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posted January 25, 2007 11:23 PM |
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hi I have a question. I quite agree that MMR is a good stategy but does it work against human player because I am using this stategy (not necessary be a wizard, I think this stategy is good with any fraction as I have tested with AI player even using knight) but I have never played with human player with this stategy.
I have seen you posted many pictures. Are those aginst human player?
Are u kidding?
u must be kidding, so good one
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supphanat
Hired Hero
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posted January 25, 2007 11:33 PM |
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hi I have a question. I quite agree that MMR is a good stategy but does it work against human player because I am using this stategy (not necessary be a wizard, I think this stategy is good with any fraction as I have tested with AI player even using knight) but I have never played with human player with this stategy.
I have seen you posted many pictures. Are those aginst human player?
Are u kidding?
u must be kidding, so good one
Kidding about what? Using knight with MMR? Well, It is true. Actually, I think magic is quite good against AI. So it is good for creeping but the reason that I ask because when you play with human, there are many ways to counter magic. So I quite wonder that does this stategy work against human too?
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Elvin
Admirable
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Endless Revival
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posted January 25, 2007 11:43 PM |
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Against a human yes. With a knight sure as heck no. Are you sure you aren't kidding?
Anyway academy has some advantages for MMR. Wizard gets at least mediocre power. And he has crazy mana reserves for continuous creeping. First 3 units help in early creeping, esp m. gremlins. They have library. They can get conjure phoenix within two weeks. They can buy artifacts to buff their stats/spells.
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supphanat
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posted January 25, 2007 11:59 PM |
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Against a human yes. With a knight sure as heck no. Are you sure you aren't kidding?
Anyway academy has some advantages for MMR. Wizard gets at least mediocre power. And he has crazy mana reserves for continuous creeping. First 3 units help in early creeping, esp m. gremlins. They have library. They can get conjure phoenix within two weeks. They can buy artifacts to buff their stats/spells.
Thank for the answer and my answer is still No, not kidding. Actually, knight with puppet master and resurruction are almost unstoppable for creeping. So no need to talk about the other magic schools becuase these two schools are naturally for haven. However, don't misunderstand me. I didn't say that knight with MMR is better than any other magic-based fraction, I just say "MMR works well with every fraction even haven for creeping and also AI player (don't know about with human player)".
By the way, more question. I have never played againts human and want to try. When you finish the game, do you always have to e-mail the game result (win or lose)? Is there any way to try and practice without win/lose count?
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Elvin
Admirable
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Endless Revival
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posted January 26, 2007 12:08 AM |
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Where, in ToH?
About MMR with haven:
Puppet master and resurrect is nice. Will you get them? If you do you'll have to come back and forth to town to replenish your spell points. Light magic in particular is not that good for creeping. If you build all mage guilds in week 2 you'll have built almost no units to creep with so you won't have the skills to learn the spells. If you DO get dark/light early as a wizard easily could. And you'll resurrect just lots of marksmen? A warlock will come and kill you with a spell. How will you counter that if not with an army. By cursing his units? He won't mind. By resurrecting? How many times? It doesn't work trust me and go more might than magic with this one.
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86wyp
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posted January 26, 2007 12:09 AM |
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Against a human yes. With a knight sure as heck no. Are you sure you aren't kidding?
Anyway academy has some advantages for MMR. Wizard gets at least mediocre power. And he has crazy mana reserves for continuous creeping. First 3 units help in early creeping, esp m. gremlins. They have library. They can get conjure phoenix within two weeks. They can buy artifacts to buff their stats/spells.
Thank for the answer and my answer is still No, not kidding. Actually, knight with puppet master and resurruction are almost unstoppable for creeping. So no need to talk about the other magic schools becuase these two schools are naturally for haven. However, don't misunderstand me. I didn't say that knight with MMR is better than any other magic-based fraction, I just say "MMR works well with every fraction even haven for creeping and also AI player (don't know about with human player)".
By the way, more question. I have never played againts human and want to try. When you finish the game, do you always have to e-mail the game result (win or lose)? Is there any way to try and practice without win/lose count?
Yes every faction can use magics, but as you said, that's games against AI. I understand that you have not played with human yet. If you do, then you will know that no haven player will learn dark+light at early game.
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supphanat
Hired Hero
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posted January 26, 2007 12:32 AM |
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Where, in ToH?
About MMR with haven:
Puppet master and resurrect is nice. Will you get them? If you do you'll have to come back and forth to town to replenish your spell points. Light magic in particular is not that good for creeping. If you build all mage guilds in week 2 you'll have built almost no units to creep with so you won't have the skills to learn the spells. If you DO get dark/light early as a wizard easily could. And you'll resurrect just lots of marksmen? A warlock will come and kill you with a spell. How will you counter that if not with an army. By cursing his units? He won't mind. By resurrecting? How many times? It doesn't work trust me and go more might than magic with this one.
Umm actually, I have never played against warlord AI before. So I am not sure but I have tried with every other AI fractions. To against, AI heros, I usually uses frenzy or puppet master and let them kill each other. I don't use markman because the heart of MMR is the stategy truely base on hero magic. To do so, I use footman becuase it is the best defensive unit in haven. With other fraction, I play the same with MMR stategy. That is go for the best defensive unit in the fraction and optimize the magic power.
For knight, I use footman or better with squire as a meat shield and them defending until I frenzy or puppet master the enemies to kill each other. So I usually use resurruct only one time before finishing the combat.
I went to ToH but it says that I have to report the battle result? I have no experience playing against human. So I think I may lose the game easily. Do I have to report every game that I play on the server?
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Elvin
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Endless Revival
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posted January 26, 2007 12:35 AM |
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I think so, yes. If you want to practice play with friends or seek people who play with hamachi.
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supphanat
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posted January 26, 2007 12:41 AM |
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I think so, yes. If you want to practice play with friends or seek people who play with hamachi.
What is hamachi?
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Elvin
Admirable
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Endless Revival
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posted January 26, 2007 12:48 AM |
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A program that creates a virtual network so you can play online without having to log in to ubi.com. Google it if you want to know more, it's fairly easy to use.
Also there was a thread or two about hamachi somewhere here so you could try to use the search option from the top of the page. People around here probably can help you more than I, ask around.
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supphanat
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posted January 26, 2007 12:59 AM |
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A program that creates a virtual network so you can play online without having to log in to ubi.com. Google it if you want to know more, it's fairly easy to use.
Also there was a thread or two about hamachi somewhere here so you could try to use the search option from the top of the page. People around here probably can help you more than I, ask around.
Thank.
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Doomforge
Admirable
Undefeatable Hero
Retired Hero
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posted February 14, 2007 09:52 PM |
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Looks like I've been wrong about the "MMR". Seriously. I played with my friend, he got academy and I took haven. The map.. it was the one with 40 lvl7 units in the middle, can't recall the name. I took dougal, did some creeping, and around the beginning of second month, my rival came for me. Sufficient to say I got thrashed, raped and f*cked up! I couldn't believe my eyes. -_- Maybe it wasn't that easy as 86wyp described it, but, still, the level advantage he had due to ultra-fast creeping was insane, and his spells did a major job here indeed.
I never defeated him anyway, he is wayyy better than me, but to get raped so hard.. damn. I have to rethink my strategies. -_-
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