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posted January 21, 2007 08:39 PM |
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Art? I don't think so...
Art seems to have reached an all time low with people like Chilean artist Marco Evaristti becoming a warped psychopath and using the shroud of art to justify and explain his actions.
His latest work of Art sees him feeding his friends meatballs cooked in his own body fat {extracted through liposuction}. He states, Quote:
The question of whether or not to eat human flesh is more important than the result,” he said, explaining the point of his creation.
You are not a cannibal if you eat art,” he added.
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"The Chilean-Danish artist, who underwent liposuction for the work, describes it as a criticism of the plastic surgery market. The meatballs are canned and available for purchase; two cans have already been sold to collectors for US$23,200 each. Evaristti claims that the meatballs are not only delicious, but contain less fat than supermarket meatballs."
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Tell me, do you think this is art? And do you have any other pieces of 'art' to share...
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posted January 21, 2007 09:26 PM |
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His latest work of Art sees him feeding his friends meatballs cooked in his own body fat {extracted through liposuction}.
Sounds yummy...
Ok, look, there are always psychos, everywhere.
Personally, art is the second most beautiful thing about humans (first being love) and it is basically necessary for any human being to function. Even fascists and communists liked some art (Hitler liked Vagner's music for example).
When you understand that EVERYTHING around us (music, buildings, cars, furniture, clothes, computer games, food, everything) is some sort of art, you'll get what I'm saying. Art is part of every man's life and a way of expressing feelings.
In a way, yes, human meatballs ARE art, but in a somewhat lesser, demented form. It is of course uncomparable to TRUE works of art such as Picasso's paintings or Beethoven's music, but hey, the guy likes it. And some other people (thoe who bought the meatballs for example).
I also once saw a weird work of art, namely it was a piece of dung on a luxury silk pillow, under a glass bell. That however has a point, unlike human meatballs...
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posted January 22, 2007 09:19 AM |
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That is one way to look at it - that everything is art  {which I kind of agree with}
And he is obviously pushing moral barriers in his work to get reactions from the world... I guess it was another of his pieces that really disturbed me {I'm not posting it here}.
My problem is mainly that, can/should art be used as an exuse to perform taboos?
I think this is interesting...
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posted January 22, 2007 11:50 AM |
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My problem is mainly that, can/should art be used as an exuse to perform taboos?
Taboos, as a term, shouldn't exist. We have advanced this much because of people who ignored taboo rules. In the middle ages it was a taboo to say that Earth is round. Church burned people for saying that.
It is always better to be a peculiar man, but with psychological freedom to do what you want and not consider it a taboo (such as Jim Morrison, Marilyn Manson and many more visionaries) than be a corporate dumbass thinking about profit and crap like that your entire life, in more than few cases not caring about anything else.
People should behave according to their feelings (Unless it is destructive for other living beings. For example, I don't support another idea of this artist you mentioned to put living fish in blenders and kill them off brutally. That's sick and barbaric. All living creatures are equally alive). I found myself writing a death metal song yesterday... It turned out ok... And I'm not even a big fan of death metal
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posted January 22, 2007 08:02 PM |
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OK yeah - it was the blender 'Art' { } that really upset me...
But his statement, that "You're not a canabil if you eat art" to me makes it sound like he doesn't think it matters what you do - if you call it Art that excuses everything.
I agree with your point about most taboos - I really am a pretty liberal person. But I guess there are some fundamental lines that are really hard for me to get past.
All of them involve acting on other people/animals/living creatures/the land I guess...
Canabilism is an interesting one. Should we be eating human flesh/fat instead of letting it go to waste? 
You know though - if he wanted to be really 'artitistic' and make a point about cosmetic surgery - one of the main ingredients in makeup is fat. He could have made a range of lipsticks or something... I guess his market is male
I am concerned that someone can murder things - in the name of Art
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posted January 23, 2007 12:29 PM |
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Canabilism is an interesting one. Should we be eating human flesh/fat instead of letting it go to waste?
No. We shouldn't.
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But his statement, that "You're not a canabil if you eat art" to me makes it sound like he doesn't think it matters what you do - if you call it Art that excuses everything.
Well eating art is moronic by itself. On top of that, no matter what that guy says, he IS a freaking cannibal. So he's a double idiot - eating art and human fat.
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I am concerned that someone can murder things - in the name of Art
Well people can murder things in the name of anything these days. In the name of "production", "democracy", "cleanliness", "freedom", "art" but first and foremost - cash. Mankind sux...
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posted January 23, 2007 12:32 PM |
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What a weirdo 
His friends are worse for eating it
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Marco Evaristti, born 1963 in Chile, is a Danish artist.
After studying at the Royal Danish Academy of Fine Arts, Evaristti gained notoriety for a museum display entitled Helena in 2000 that featured ten functional blenders containing live goldfish. The display, at the Trapholt Art Museum in Kolding, Denmark, invited guests to turn on the blenders. This led to museum director Peter Meyer being charged with, and acquitted of, animal cruelty.
Evaristti's next major work, in 2004, entitled Ice Cube Project, was to paint the exposed tip of a small iceberg red. This took place on March 24, in Kangia fjord near Ilullissat, Greenland. With two icebreakers and a 20-man crew, Evaristti used three fire hoses and 3,000 litres (790 US gallons) of paint to color the iceberg blood-red. He commented on this project that, "We all have a need to decorate Mother Nature because it belongs to all us."
On January 13, 2007, Evaristti hosted a dinner party for his most intimate friends. The main meal was agnolotti pasta, on which was topped a meatball made with the artist's own fat, removed earlier in the year in a liposuction operation.
How do you find all this random stuff anyway
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posted January 24, 2007 11:23 PM |
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Edited by Ecoris at 23:25, 24 Jan 2007.
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Hehe, Marco Evaristti is surely a queer fellow. I remember 'the gold fish in the blender'. He did not kill them himself IIRC, the gold fish swam around at the exhibition, but eventually someone had to press the button (which was surely a part of it). It created a great fuss, animal rights organizations, other artists and blabla.
I wonder if all he wishes is to provoke. That may be good it itself since you are obviously provoked and have spend time thinking and posting about the subject.
There was another Danish artist (I think it was in the sixties) who made a 'happening' where he slaughtered a horse and filmed it. The entrails were put into sealed glass containers. I was not born at that time, but it should have created even greater controversy; doing such a thing was simply outrageous, even today I guess it would be a great provocation.
The glass containers are still displayed today at the Aros museum in Århus. I've seen them, but I don't really feel anything about them.
But can the above examples be characterised as art? I don't know anything about art. I understand aesthetics to some degree but art? What is that?
I vaguely recall a quote by Nietzsche, but this is not my field.
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