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Dungeonian
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posted January 29, 2007 01:12 PM |
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Exellent news ! . Necropolis would become interesting strategy planning faction instead of being boring sceleton-producing machine . Now with Dark Energy pull refreshing every week , Necro player should be very careful wasting it correctly in dependance from what faction is you opponent - for example vs. might-oriented opponent specters seems to be the best choice , vs. magic nukers large stack of plague zombies + dark or destuctive magic could be very usefull .
I'm also happy with training limitation per week , cause it isn't obvious what upgrade is the best , all seems usable now . I think my old strategy based on Irina + diplomacy ( even for cost ) without training would be more popular 
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dschingi
Famous Hero
the guy with the dragon golem
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posted January 29, 2007 02:44 PM |
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Very nice chart alcibiades, it should be included in the unofficial manual in a smaller version when we are sure all of it is correct.
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Doomforge
Admirable
Undefeatable Hero
Retired Hero
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posted January 29, 2007 03:15 PM |
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Dungeonian: Irina is a killer now! 
Alcibiades: great charts!!
It seems a bit funny that LVL1 sprite = spectre and a LVL5 Nightmare = spectre 
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alcibiades
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
of Gold Dragons
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posted January 29, 2007 03:39 PM |
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Quote:
It seems a bit funny that LVL1 sprite = spectre and a LVL5 Nightmare = spectre
Most of the choices are pretty obvious, but there are a few things that should be changed. Basically, when a creature turns into an undead of lower level, it should be the upgraded form, whereas it should be the basic form when the target is of higher level. Maybe there's an error in the list, but I'd suggest the following changes:
Squire: Zombie -> Plague Zombie.
Pit Fiend: Wraith -> Wight.
Grim Raider: Vampire -> Vampire Lord.
Hydra: Ghost -> Spectre.
Sprite: Spectre -> Ghost.
Unicorn: NONE -> Spectre.
Silver Unicorn: NONE -> Spectre.
Djinn: Wight -> Spectre.
Djinn Sultan: Wight -> Spectre.
Rakshasa Rani: Wraith -> Wight.
Skirmisher: Zombie -> Skeleton Archer.
Spearwielder: Zombie -> Skeleton Archer.
Rune Priest: Archlich -> Lich.
Thane: Wraith -> Wight.
Vindicator: Zombie -> Plague Zombie.
Manticore: Bone Dragon -> Spectre.
And maybe also:
Cavalry: Vampire Lord -> Wight.
Paladin: Vampire Lord -> Wraith.
Champion: Vampire Lord -> Wraith.
However, since there are so many units that produce Wraiths already, that's not a must.
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TheDeath
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
with serious business
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posted January 29, 2007 03:42 PM |
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I don't like this new necro because you will certainly have no free slots for all those upgraded and unupgraded combinations 
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alcibiades
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
of Gold Dragons
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posted January 29, 2007 03:43 PM |
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I don't think that's a problem, because you will only have DE for some of the choices you'll be offered during the weak. You will therefore have to prioritize and only use your DE on the troops you have in your army.
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siinn
Adventuring Hero
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posted January 29, 2007 03:55 PM |
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my point of view
Squire: Zombie -> Plague Zombie... OK
Pit Fiend: Wraith -> Wight... OK
Grim Raider: Vampire -> Vampire Lord... OK
Hydra: Ghost -> Spectre... OK
Sprite: Spectre -> Ghost... OK
Unicorn: NONE -> Spectre... NO!! I like the idea of "pure unicorn" that can't be turned into undead unit
Silver Unicorn: NONE -> Spectre... NO!! same idea about "pure unicorn"
Djinn: Wight -> Spectre... OK
Djinn Sultan: Wight -> Spectre... OK
Rakshasa Rani: Wraith -> Wight... OK
Skirmisher: Zombie -> Skeleton Archer... OK
Spearwielder: Zombie -> Skeleton Archer... OK
Rune Priest: Archlich -> Lich... OK
Thane: Wraith -> Wight... OK
Vindicator: Zombie -> Plague Zombie... OK
Manticore: Bone Dragon -> Spectre... NO!! manticore is such a great monster, should be resurected into bone dragon
And maybe also:
Cavalry: Vampire Lord -> Wight... NO!! we want more vampires lords and cavalry/paladin/champion are humans that fit well the purpose to become vampire after death
Paladin: Vampire Lord -> Wraith... NO!! same reason see above
Champion: Vampire Lord -> Wraith... NO!! same reason see above
last but not least I would like to see all dragons turned in undead dragons so:
fire dragon: NONE -> bone dragon
magma dragon: NONE -> spectral dragon
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Shauku83
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted January 29, 2007 03:58 PM |
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No, i can't see logic behind raising Wraiths from Paladins. The Vampires are raised from the humans riding the horse. Just as Vampires are raised from Dark Raiders, again not from the Lizards but from the elfs that ride them. Besides, there are so few creatures to raise vampires...
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alcibiades
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
of Gold Dragons
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posted January 29, 2007 04:07 PM |
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I agree - I have no problems with the horsemen turning into Vampires, it's only because most of the level 6 creatures become Wights / Wraiths it'd make sense to make them the same.
About the Unicorns - I don't particularly see the logic of this, but on the other hand, it's not a real issue.
And Fire / Magma Dragons should remain as they are, because they are elemental - therefore, they will not yield any undeads, just like the Elementals and Phoenix doesn't.
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gecko
Tavern Dweller
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posted January 29, 2007 11:13 PM |
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http://patches.ubi.com/heroes_might_magic_5/heroes_might_magic_5_1.041_us.exe
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Lord_of_Chaos
Known Hero
Chaotic Entity
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posted January 29, 2007 11:31 PM |
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im downloading the patch right now and am gonna test it out in a few minutes
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted January 29, 2007 11:31 PM |
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Any links for 2.1?
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lord_crusader
Promising
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UHU!! supreme!
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posted January 29, 2007 11:32 PM |
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Lord_of_Chaos
Known Hero
Chaotic Entity
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posted January 29, 2007 11:35 PM |
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i dont have the expansion so i have 1.41
but i used the auto updater so i dont know the link
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Elvin
Admirable
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posted January 29, 2007 11:36 PM |
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My thanks!  Strange how it came out earlier but welcome anyway!
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lord_crusader
Promising
Supreme Hero
UHU!! supreme!
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posted January 29, 2007 11:51 PM |
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lol yes! for the first time earlier than expected 
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Moonlith
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
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posted January 29, 2007 11:58 PM |
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Definately an interesting twist of events. This will definately help the often-targetted Vamp lords and liches to keep decent numbers.
Note that this is certainly not going to stop necromancers from raising skeletons, since when nearing the end of the week you'll most likely want to deplete your DE reserves, since they get replenished anyway. And otherwise they will be lost, so I'd say most stacks will receive equal reinforcements this way.
I like it!
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cookie
Adventuring Hero
*cookie magic*
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posted January 30, 2007 01:11 AM |
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Woot, done with both patches!!
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lord_crusader
Promising
Supreme Hero
UHU!! supreme!
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posted January 30, 2007 01:25 AM |
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mee too the new necromancy thing is interesting I started with 201 points and I resurrect skeletons from 1rst level creatures, and zombies with 2nd level creatures
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dfortae
Known Hero
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posted January 30, 2007 03:54 AM |
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I like the new setup for Necro. very much...
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