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Promising
Supreme Hero
posted February 06, 2007 06:29 PM
Edited by Avatar at 21:13, 06 Feb 2007.

Maps larger than 144 X 144? Yes !!!

Here you can find link to first XXLL map (252x252):

http://www.komputerowiec-max.republika.pl/Wielkie_gory.h3m

Author is Grinden. I haven't played this map yet, but it sounds good! Map is in polish, but maybe non-polish players be able to play and fun with it! Map needs a special patch to enable possibility to load such big maps. It's name patchmaps.zip. I guess you can find it at Wog Maps Archive site (1 & 2).

Update: I've checked it. Map looks horrible (only rocks and few monsters on the map )
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GrayFace
GrayFace


Promising
Known Hero
posted February 06, 2007 09:20 PM

Actually, Bourn, the author of the patch, made the first map of size more than 144. It was a random map.
Also, the patch changes Map Editor so that it's possible to make such maps.
The problem with such maps is that this may lead to various unpredictable bugs. One bug is that minimap isn't drawn.
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Bigbadfly
Bigbadfly


Famous Hero
posted February 09, 2007 09:33 PM

144x144...

...are big enough...

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Robertukas
Robertukas


Hired Hero
posted April 05, 2007 01:18 AM
Edited by Robertukas at 05:44, 05 Apr 2007.

I like very big maps.

Maybe it is possible to make more than 2 level maps using some WoG script?

For example
1 level:
Ground
2 levels:
Ground + Underground
3 levels:
Ground + Underground + Heaven
4 levels:
Ground + Underground + Heaven + Hell
5 levels:
Ground + Underground + Heaven + Hell + Astral world
etc.

Or one ground level for each faction.

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danijel1990
danijel1990


Adventuring Hero
posted April 05, 2007 07:33 AM

Quote:
I like very big maps.

Maybe it is possible to make more than 2 level maps using some WoG script?

For example
1 level:
Ground
2 levels:
Ground + Underground
3 levels:
Ground + Underground + Heaven
4 levels:
Ground + Underground + Heaven + Hell
5 levels:
Ground + Underground + Heaven + Hell + Astral world
etc.

Or one ground level for each faction.


That's what I was thinking in the last couple of months. I would really want something like that, but I think it's impossible.

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Dj
Dj


Promising
Supreme Hero
Always loyal to HC
posted April 06, 2007 07:17 AM

it doesn't work to me maybe i don't have the right version of map editor?

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doom3d
doom3d


Known Hero
Avatar of general Z
posted April 06, 2007 06:49 PM
Edited by doom3d at 18:52, 06 Apr 2007.

A fully built three level (Haven- earth- underground) 252*252 custom map would be interesting.. with banned TP&DD.
Seriously, once I counted the average file size against map size, and found peaks at two level S, and a smaller at two level M.
Two lvl XL-s have much less information density. (file size/number of tiles)
I guess, that the main problem with 2 lvl 252*252 maps is, that they need to much time from a mapmaker to be "perfect". (3 months for XL -> 9 months for XXL) The second problem is the limited number of a given object type. Once I have played a fully used two lvl XL with 48 Towns and 144(?, IIRC) dwellings..
In real life I am a Q-engineer, so I prefer quality over quantity.
If anybody knows really good XXL maps, please post the links here!

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Robertukas
Robertukas


Hired Hero
posted April 06, 2007 09:39 PM
Edited by Robertukas at 22:12, 06 Apr 2007.

I agree that it would be really difficult to make a perfect map with 3 (or more) levels (252*252 each).
But I think that it is not difficult to make good maps, because we can use random map generator. Then we should be able to wogify that map.
Improving algorithm for generating random maps we can get really good maps (some random maps I played were not bad).
Algorithm should not depend on map size. So we should be able to create maps as big as we want having as much levels as we want.

Quality is good thing, but from my point of view small maps can't be perfect at all. I love XL maps with XL underground.

I want that map with 48 towns! Have you a link?

BTW, what TP&DD means?

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Asheron
Asheron


Famous Hero
Ancient
posted April 07, 2007 12:43 AM

TP&DD = Town Portal & Dimension Door
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doom3d
doom3d


Known Hero
Avatar of general Z
posted April 07, 2007 08:47 AM
Edited by doom3d at 19:08, 08 Apr 2007.

re: XL two level (& others)

Our hungarian herores portal is at

EDITED: http://heroes.hardwired.hu Sorry, it was a typo..

The above mentioned map can be found in heroes3-map section (térképek)
a bit more direct link:
http://heroes.hardwired.hu/heroes3/terkepek/palyak.php
Here click on "pálya kereső, listázó" (=search map), and go for Arena.
It will be "Aréna", by Beorn, approx. the 4th map on the search list.

You may be interested also in XL campaignes, like "Krityó kedvencei II."
(ultra-brutal special selection of hungarian XLs in a campaigne)
"Reinkarnáció" campaigne by Mugger is also cool.. I lost against the AI 3x at expert on the first map.. I know 8 people on the World, who played it over at impossible.

If You start at http://herores.hardwired.hu, click on "Versenyek" (=championship), click on "Küldetések" row, "letöltések" column (= Missions, downloads), You will find another special collection: hardest maps/campaignes (hungarian&international mixed).
BTW, You can see player results by clicking there on "eredmények".

Nr. 29 is a WoG mission. It's a savegame that requires 3.58f, and You can choose your starting Town at first load. I know ONE guy who played it over, in 130 days.(our hungarian H3-H4 champion Hellblood)
Map from Grigor Minchev, Impossible +special AI tuning scripts.
An earlier version of Shamanic running script is included. (rigth click on Adv. Spell button at adv. screen)

EDIT: One of my posts below disappeared.. WHY?
Link once more to Minchev's homepage: http://homm3.nm.ru/index2.html

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Robertukas
Robertukas


Hired Hero
posted April 07, 2007 11:19 AM
Edited by Robertukas at 11:24, 07 Apr 2007.

Quote:
TP&DD = Town Portal & Dimension Door

Oh
Quote:
Our hungarian herores portal is at http://herores.hardwired.hu


This link doesn't work (at least for me).
Quote:
a bit more direct link:
http://heroes.hardwired.hu/heroes3/terkepek/palyak.php
Here click on "pálya kereső, listázó" (=search map), and go for Arena.
It will be "Aréna", by Beorn, approx. the 4th map on the search list.


I very thank you for that map and other useful info.
It's really a pity that this map is not in English (why the best maps are not in English? )

Here
http://www.translation-guide.com/free_online_translators.php?from=Bulgarian&to=English
I tried to translate text
"Ha elég bátornak érzed magad, válasz magadnak várost, fogadd fel kedvenc hősödet, mert vár téged az {Aréna}, ahonnan csak keveseknek adatik meg a visszatérés!" (instead of v&#225 here should be some Bulgarian words)
but I got no translation. Maybe you can provide some working free Bulgarian-English translator?

Damn, those Bularian maps looks very interesting.

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Unhackable
Unhackable


Bad-mannered
Known Hero
Banned
posted April 07, 2007 04:02 PM

Quote:

Here
http://www.translation-guide.com/free_online_translators.php?from=Bulgarian&to=English
I tried to translate text
"Ha elég bátornak érzed magad, válasz magadnak várost, fogadd fel kedvenc hősödet, mert vár téged az {Aréna}, ahonnan csak keveseknek adatik meg a visszatérés!" (instead of vá here should be some Bulgarian words)
but I got no translation. Maybe you can provide some working free Bulgarian-English translator?

Damn, those Bularian maps looks very interesting.


WEll it wasn't in bulgarian. It was in hungarian

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Robertukas
Robertukas


Hired Hero
posted April 08, 2007 08:46 AM
Edited by Robertukas at 08:48, 08 Apr 2007.

What an oaf I am! Just kill me ... now

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Rhodan
Rhodan


Adventuring Hero
from Holland
posted July 11, 2007 09:59 AM

Quote:
Actually, Bourn, the author of the patch, made the first map of size more than 144. It was a random map.
Also, the patch changes Map Editor so that it's possible to make such maps.
The problem with such maps is that this may lead to various unpredictable bugs. One bug is that minimap isn't drawn.


Where can I find this random map bigger than 144x144?

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ByteBandit
ByteBandit


Promising
Famous Hero
Soul Merchant
posted July 12, 2007 04:47 AM

You know, what I think would be interesting is to have the ability to make a map with different size levels. For instance, have a medium sized upperworld and then have an XL underground. Oh, the possibilities.
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Rhodan
Rhodan


Adventuring Hero
from Holland
posted July 19, 2007 11:53 AM

That would be awesome! =D It's easily solved by using a 144x144 map, surround the upper world of 108x108 with rock and the under world of 72x72 also with rock.

At first I'd think that if this would be done, Subterranean gates would malfunction, but is there no big system for that to correct this?

On the other hand, that's no WoGification challenge, I guess.

Still, I'd very much like to play a 256x256 random map! Can't someone please make one for me? I can't find the patch which is described above, either.

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anti-Victor
anti-Victor


Adventuring Hero
Disciples 2 Map Creator
posted May 16, 2008 12:58 PM

here You go..
http://www.sendspace.com/file/umcin0

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Warmonger
Warmonger


Promising
Legendary Hero
fallen artist
posted May 16, 2008 01:35 PM

Quote:
I can't find the patch which is described above, either.

me neither, probably because thre's no such link given Any more precise guide please?

If you need a really intense map right now, google for Reunion (WoG). You will regret than hero's stats are capped at 99
I found it within some package, so can't give you the direct link.


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anti-Victor
anti-Victor


Adventuring Hero
Disciples 2 Map Creator
posted May 17, 2008 08:48 AM

Quote:
Quote:
I can't find the patch which is described above, either.


here You go..it's link to patchmaps in some russian page..btw..I'vw made my map 252 in map editor and it's random

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anti-Victor
anti-Victor


Adventuring Hero
Disciples 2 Map Creator
posted May 17, 2008 08:49 AM

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Quote:
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I can't find the patch which is described above, either.


here You go..it's link to patchmaps in some russian page..btw..I'vw made my map 252 in map editor and it's random



http://narod.yandex.ru/100.xhtml?bournwog.narod.ru/patchmaps.zip
sorry I forgot about the link

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