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Asheron
Asheron


Famous Hero
Ancient
posted February 27, 2007 01:19 AM

Well,it seems that our merry company is enlarged... Welcome,Baklava .Now then,since your ours now,can i borrow some money?Kidding,I wanted to ask you,is it okay if i e-mail you now and then with suggestions,ideas etc.?Or just when i'm bored
Now then,the Project...

[qoute]Ok, it were just ideas. I took the bone giants idea from Warhammer - Tomb Kings faction.
How about:
2) Ghoul - Plague Ghoul
3) Werewolf - Clan Werewolf
or something like that?

Hmmm... Werewolfs are not undead...They belong to nature,not Necropolis. Ghoul is good,but it sounds like another zombie...Don't get me wrong,zombies are cool,but Undeads don't need walker lvl 2(or lvl 3),they need range or flying unit,because skeletons are their main low-lvl melee force.Believe me,I played with undead almost always and NEVER took zombies or wight/wraith/whatever they are,there's no point.

Hmmm,I have a idea(maybe stupid but idea) maybe we should change skeletons to bone golem(upgr. flesh/meat golem).That way it makes sense if I kill griffins and use necromancy on them.How can I get skeletons from griffins/dragons/serpent flies?Dunno,magic... Also the difference between necro's and wizard are: necromanser's animate bones,corpes etc. and wizards animate stones,iron etc. And necro's are renegade wizards,no?

Or we could use abomination as lvl 3...But lvl 2 must be range or flyer.

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About Alucard vampires, I'd like that (after all Alucard is my favourite anime character) but I don't think we'll be able to make a good model of his. He's just too cool...

You're so right...He gotta look awesome or we will not be in the game

What does everyone thinks about magic?Should we put fancy comments & names or just modify damage?
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baklava
baklava


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posted February 27, 2007 05:10 PM

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I wanted to ask you,is it okay if i e-mail you now and then with suggestions,ideas etc.?Or just when i'm bored

Of course
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Werewolfs are not undead...They belong to nature,not Necropolis.

Werewolves, in Slavic mythology from which they come from, were unholy creatures - evil people forever bound to serve evil, even beyond their graves, mostly in forms of wolves. So they don't belong to nature but the forces beyond death, and what's more beyond death than the necropolis
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Ghoul is good,but it sounds like another zombie...Don't get me wrong,zombies are cool,but Undeads don't need walker lvl 2(or lvl 3),they need range or flying unit

Well how about we give ghouls the ignore obstacles ability? Due to their delicate form, they are able to jump over or climb obstacles, walls etc.
I'm against bone golems, especially at level 1...
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Or we could use abomination as lvl 3...

Ok, how about Abomination - Prodigy?
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What does everyone thinks about magic?Should we put fancy comments & names or just modify damage?

Fancy comments but let me write them... I love doing that, and I can use archaic words pretty well.

I also think we should modify the music. At least that's easy, I've did that at my version of heroes, you just replace files in the mp3 folder It would be best if we made different mp3 sets so that everyone can listen to what they like. Example:
Rock/Metal set:
Castle - "Stairway to Heaven" by Led Zeppelin
Inferno - "Highway to Hell" by AC/DC or "Sympathy for the Devil" by the Rollingstones
Necropolis - "Cemetery Gates" by Pantera
Rampart - "Aerials" by System of a Down
Fortress - "Smoke on the Water" by Deep Purple
Stronghold - "Symphony of Destruction" by Megadeth
Tower - "Thunderstruck" by AC/DC
Dungeon - "Beautiful People" by Marilyn Manson
Conflux - "Otherside" by Red Hot Chilli Peppers
Of coure, there would be different songs for battles, terrain etc.
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SuperKnight
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that hasnt been on in a while.
posted February 27, 2007 05:33 PM

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I wanted to ask you,is it okay if i e-mail you now and then with suggestions,ideas etc.?Or just when i'm bored

Of course
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Werewolfs are not undead...They belong to nature,not Necropolis.

Werewolves, in Slavic mythology from which they come from, were unholy creatures - evil people forever bound to serve evil, even beyond their graves, mostly in forms of wolves. So they don't belong to nature but the forces beyond death, and what's more beyond death than the necropolis
Quote:
Ghoul is good,but it sounds like another zombie...Don't get me wrong,zombies are cool,but Undeads don't need walker lvl 2(or lvl 3),they need range or flying unit

Well how about we give ghouls the ignore obstacles ability? Due to their delicate form, they are able to jump over or climb obstacles, walls etc.
I'm against bone golems, especially at level 1...
Quote:
Or we could use abomination as lvl 3...

Ok, how about Abomination - Prodigy?
Quote:
What does everyone thinks about magic?Should we put fancy comments & names or just modify damage?

Fancy comments but let me write them... I love doing that, and I can use archaic words pretty well.

I also think we should modify the music. At least that's easy, I've did that at my version of heroes, you just replace files in the mp3 folder It would be best if we made different mp3 sets so that everyone can listen to what they like. Example:
Rock/Metal set:
Castle - "Stairway to Heaven" by Led Zeppelin
Inferno - "Highway to Hell" by AC/DC or "Sympathy for the Devil" by the Rollingstones
Necropolis - "Cemetery Gates" by Pantera
Rampart - "Aerials" by System of a Down
Fortress - "Smoke on the Water" by Deep Purple
Stronghold - "Symphony of Destruction" by Megadeth
Tower - "Thunderstruck" by AC/DC
Dungeon - "Beautiful People" by Marilyn Manson
Conflux - "Otherside" by Red Hot Chilli Peppers
Of coure, there would be different songs for battles, terrain etc.


Yes! GO RED HOT CHILI PEPPERS! IM GOIN TO SEE THEN 2NIGHT! WOO HOO!


a... sorry

castle or rampart can be " with arms wide open" by creed ( GO CREED )
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baklava
baklava


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posted February 27, 2007 06:16 PM

Well perhaps for Rampart. "Stairway to Heaven" is definitely most fitting fo Haven... Plus it's my all-time favourite song
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Charon
Charon


Hired Hero
posted February 27, 2007 11:05 PM
Edited by Charon at 23:12, 27 Feb 2007.

Epic themed music set has already been compiled.
Asheron will fill you in on the details.
... Baklava, SuperKnight (!?!), I like your suggestions regarding music.
Different tastes demand different settings.
But can we relay distribute these music files?
Lets make the most of what we can either way.
(Good job, keep it up)

And now for Asheron...
(Gives a small round of applause)

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Asheron
Asheron


Famous Hero
Ancient
posted February 28, 2007 12:21 AM
Edited by Asheron at 00:27, 28 Feb 2007.

Why,thank you Charon
About music...It good
Here my view of music:
Castle & Dungeon Town Music = From H5,its fantastic
Fortress = Basil Poledouris - Orphans Of Doom-The Awakening
Inferno = Bruce Faulconer-Scary Buu(DBZ Soundtrack)
Necropolis = Legacy Of Kain -Soul Reaver(Theme Song)
Rampart = Breath Of Fire IV - Fou-Lu Village Theme
Stronghold = Basil Poledouris - Anvil Of Crom
Tower = Silver (Theme Song)

Terains
Snow = Nubou Uetmatsu - Final Fantasy X Theme
Grass = Basil Poledouris - Theology-Civilization
Dirt = Basil Poledouris - Recovery

Misc
Main Theme WOG - Elfen Lied(Theme Song)
That that for now...
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Werewolves, in Slavic mythology from which they come from, were unholy creatures - evil people forever bound to serve evil, even beyond their graves, mostly in forms of wolves. So they don't belong to nature but the forces beyond death, and what's more beyond death than the necropolis

Didnt know that...But I prefere World Of Darkness werewolfs

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Well how about we give ghouls the ignore obstacles ability? Due to their delicate form, they are able to jump over or climb obstacles, walls etc.

Excellent
Quote:

I'm against bone golems, especially at level 1..

Just an idea...They are weaker because they are made of bones but your right it is stupid

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Ok, how about Abomination - Prodigy?

What's a prodigy?

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but let me write them...  I love doing that, and I can use archaic words pretty well.

Sure,no prob,team up with Charon,he's pretty good with fancy words. I used qoute's from Blood Omen for Lightning,Hypnotize and Berserk(can't wait to see the results )
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baklava
baklava


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posted February 28, 2007 01:53 PM

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But can we relay distribute these music files?

Of course we can, if we don't charge money for it.
Quote:
Here my view of music:
Castle & Dungeon Town Music = From H5,its fantastic
Fortress = Basil Poledouris - Orphans Of Doom-The Awakening
Inferno = Bruce Faulconer-Scary Buu(DBZ Soundtrack)
Necropolis = Legacy Of Kain -Soul Reaver(Theme Song)
Rampart = Breath Of Fire IV - Fou-Lu Village Theme
Stronghold = Basil Poledouris - Anvil Of Crom
Tower = Silver (Theme Song)

I don't know. Taking music from other games doesn't seem right. I mean, H3 has perhaps the best ingame music ever. So if we're going to replace it, we should at least take some different music genres. But ok, this could be one of the sets.
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What's a prodigy?

Something spooky, ugly, creepy and pretty similar to abomination.
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Sure,no prob,team up with Charon,he's pretty good with fancy words.

Cool. But I'm kind of against quoting from other sources. The descriptions should be original
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Asheron
Asheron


Famous Hero
Ancient
posted February 28, 2007 09:56 PM

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I don't know. Taking music from other games doesn't seem right. I mean, H3 has perhaps the best ingame music ever. So if we're going to replace it, we should at least take some different music genres. But ok, this could be one of the sets.

Like you said it,we can make more than one set of music

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But I'm kind of against quoting from other sources. The descriptions should be original

I'm not good with words so I "borrowed" some quotes...That only temporary...Until we come up with something ours

Now then,its time for next faction:

                          Underwold
                            *?*

Lvl 1 - Scout
Upgr. - Assassin

Lvl 2 - Trickster
Upgr. - Shadow Dancer

Lvl 3 - Palus Knight
Upgr. - Shilien Knight

Lvl - 4 Priestess
Upgr. - Matriarch

Lvl 5 - Lizard Rider
Upgr. - Shadow Rider

Lvl 6 - Hydra
Upgr. - Chaos hydra

Lvl 7 - Shadow Dragon
Upgr. - Black Dragon

Might Hero - Overlord
Magic Hero - Sorcerer
Commander - Spellhowler

We can do skills later,now lets concentrate on names & tiers...
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baklava
baklava


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Legendary Hero
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posted February 28, 2007 10:41 PM

What is that? Dungeon? If you're planning to put that instead of the Dungeon then I hope you die a very slow and painful death... Now, for the spells:
How about, instead of describing them, we simply write their chants? That might give the heroes more personna, instead of making them look like casting machines. Something like:
Prayer
"Hear me now, immortal gods,
to you now I humbly pray,
grant us strength to vanquish those
who stand wicked in our way"
or
Chain Lightning
"Stormclouds, gather, come to me,
unleash powers of your fury
smite our foes with crushing thunder
be both their judge and their jury"
or
Slow
"May your muscles become frozen
May your boots get filled with stones
Let earth swallow your vile footsteps
And your limbs get stiff like bones"

Stuff like that. Just to add some variety... We could also put descriptions in, if you insist.
I'll post suggestions about the dungeon town tomorrow. I'm kind of tired now
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Asheron
Asheron


Famous Hero
Ancient
posted March 01, 2007 09:18 AM
Edited by Asheron at 09:19, 01 Mar 2007.

Quote:
Prayer
"Hear me now, immortal gods,
to you now I humbly pray,
grant us strength to vanquish those
who stand wicked in our way"
or
Chain Lightning
"Stormclouds, gather, come to me,
unleash powers of your fury
smite our foes with crushing thunder
be both their judge and their jury"
or
Slow
"May your muscles become frozen
May your boots get filled with stones
Let earth swallow your vile footsteps
And your limbs get stiff like bones"


This is totally awesome Way to go dude!
Just one thing: do try to make them universal, so it makes sense when Necromancer or Overlord cast them

Hmmm... Maybe I should sent you new magic balanced system so you could tell me if it is good or not(play a game or two with it).Meanwhile you sent me the new magic chants.

I dont know how to say this but...you're one hard pleasing snow(no offense). If I please you,i'll please everyone.Good to have you
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nightmare
nightmare


Adventuring Hero
of Death
posted March 01, 2007 09:18 AM

Donīt make a HOMMV "Dungeon"!

Creatures like Hydra doesnīt fit to a underworld. They live in a swamp

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Kipshasz
Kipshasz


Undefeatable Hero
Elvin's Darkside
posted March 01, 2007 11:21 AM

use the Abomination- flesh golem (theyre both stiched up from corpses)
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baklava
baklava


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posted March 01, 2007 03:21 PM

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This is totally awesome Way to go dude!
Just one thing: do try to make them universal, so it makes sense when Necromancer or Overlord cast them

Thanks... By the way I did try to make them universal. The "vile" and "wicked" words can be used by bad guys as simply insults. About the gods and stuff like that, each faction has gods, even the necros and dungeon dudes... Right? But, ok, I'll try to make some more universal chants.
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I dont know how to say this but...you're one hard pleasing *****(no offense). If I please you,i'll please everyone.Good to have you

I'm just a sort of perfectionist, that's all... I always try to find the most optimal solutions. After all, the point of all this is to make Heroes better, not just different
Flesh golems are ok, I guess. Prodigies, flesh golems, pretty same.
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Asheron
Asheron


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Ancient
posted March 01, 2007 03:58 PM

The current chants are ok.I meant the future ones.
About Underworld/Dungeon?
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baklava
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posted March 01, 2007 05:01 PM

Some more chants...
Armageddon
Flaming anger, wrath of earth
I command you, bow to me
Crush all who stand in the field
Let the Armageddon be

Magic Arrow
Eldritch spirits, hear me now,
Enemies are in my sight,
Send a sparkling magic missile
To strike them with all its might

Weakness
Strength betrays you, foolish foe,
Your might is no longer same
You are weakened so that I may
Slay you in my master's name

About Dungeon, here's what I meant:
1) Kobold - Kobold Miner (small pick-axe armed brown creeps)
2) Troglodyte - Troglodyte Seer (do you see the irony? anyways, tougher and meaner than the normal h3 trogs)
3) Ogre - Ogre Tyrant (a tough and not too slow lvl 3 unit. in looks - darker skin than that of ordinary h3 ogres)
4) Medusa - Medusa Mistress
5) Minotaur - Minotaur Champion
6) I need to think about this...
7) Shadow Dragon - Black Dragon (I don't know if they should be renamed but that's about it)
Hero: Might - Overlord
Magic - Sorcerer
Commander - Executioner (A very very armoured and pissed minotaur with two axes. Special ability - Intimidating - The enemy hero can't retreat or surrender in the first two turns. In addition, has the chance for the double damage attack, like that of dread knights. Chance rises with commander level.)
This is not my final idea of course. Will we be including a separate dark elf town?
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you got the blues."
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Kipshasz
Kipshasz


Undefeatable Hero
Elvin's Darkside
posted March 01, 2007 06:31 PM

Quote:
Some more chants...
Armageddon
Flaming anger, wrath of earth
I command you, bow to me
Crush all who stand in the field
Let the Armageddon be

Magic Arrow
Eldritch spirits, hear me now,
Enemies are in my sight,
Send a sparkling magic missile
To strike them with all its might

Weakness
Strength betrays you, foolish foe,
Your might is no longer same
You are weakened so that I may
Slay you in my master's name

About Dungeon, here's what I meant:
1) Kobold - Kobold Miner (small pick-axe armed brown creeps)
2) Troglodyte - Troglodyte Seer (do you see the irony? anyways, tougher and meaner than the normal h3 trogs)
3) Ogre - Ogre Tyrant (a tough and not too slow lvl 3 unit. in looks - darker skin than that of ordinary h3 ogres)
4) Medusa - Medusa Mistress
5) Minotaur - Minotaur Champion
6) I need to think about this...
7) Shadow Dragon - Black Dragon (I don't know if they should be renamed but that's about it)
Hero: Might - Overlord
Magic - Sorcerer
Commander - Executioner (A very very armoured and pissed minotaur with two axes. Special ability - Intimidating - The enemy hero can't retreat or surrender in the first two turns. In addition, has the chance for the double damage attack, like that of dread knights. Chance rises with commander level.)
This is not my final idea of course. Will we be including a separate dark elf town?

kobolds: ok,those rat like things fit in there nicely
trogs: no comment
ogres: i don't think so
medusas: ok,no comment here
minotaur: again nothing to comment
as sixt unit i would suggest Flamewalker
dragons: good
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Asheron
Asheron


Famous Hero
Ancient
posted March 01, 2007 06:53 PM

Quote:
Some more chants...
Armageddon
Flaming anger, wrath of earth
I command you, bow to me
Crush all who stand in the field
Let the Armageddon be

Magic Arrow
Eldritch spirits, hear me now,
Enemies are in my sight,
Send a sparkling magic missile
To strike them with all its might

Weakness
Strength betrays you, foolish foe,
Your might is no longer same
You are weakened so that I may
Slay you in my master's name


Cool...But i thought to change the names of some spells:
Sanctuary=Town Portal
Energy Bolt=Magic Arrow
Call Lightning=Lightning Bolt
Circle of Winter=Frost Ring
Hell Fire=Inferno
Chant of Death=Death Ripple
Holy Word=Destroy Undead
Endurance=Shield(This we should change)
Deflect Missile=Air Shield(This we should change)
Immolation=Fire Shield
Ward Air=Protection From Air
Ward Fire=Protection From Fire
Ward Water=Protection From Water
Ward Earth=Protection From Earth
Weakness=Curse
Degenerate=Weakness(Confusing,no?)
Tarnish=Disrupting Ray
Benediction=Mirth(Maybe Change)
Despair=Sorrow
Curse=Misfortune
Unholy Rage=Berserk
Mind Reaver=Hypnotize(Much cooler)
Haze=Forgetfulness(Forge what?Never could say the name of this spell)
And maybe few more

About Dungeon...Well,I never understood this faction.They are a bunch of random creeps(harpies,beholders,minotaurs?wtf?).Actually i started playing with them after H5(They are fantastic there).So...I thought to make them similar to H5...If we make them like you suggested,then Sorcerer(Magic Hero) doesn't make sense.Anyway,we can always find a solution.There is a blank space(Conflux) so could put dark elves there.But I think we should make a faction with beast-man(because I like beast-man)...
BTW minotaurs IMO should be with Stronghold(Horde)...Maybe more minotaurs(different kinds)?

I had an idea that WOG tried to apply(I think),that non-upgr. units should be,if not different(example Centaur Archer-Centaur Lanser) then at least useful(compare Black and Dread Knights <-LOL).What does everybody think?(Especially you,Baklava)
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TrangOul
TrangOul


Known Hero
Lord of Darkness
posted March 01, 2007 07:33 PM

I made a small patch with chants for you.
http://www.mroczni.yoyo.pl/SPTRAITS.TXT

Just put into Heroes III/data and enjoy!


P.S. I had to move up advanced/expert info.
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baklava
baklava


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Legendary Hero
Mostly harmless
posted March 01, 2007 08:13 PM

Quote:
ogres: i don't think so
as sixt unit i would suggest Flamewalker

Wait, ogres, as evil brutish monsters that dwell in the caves, don't fit in, but yet another sort of snakepeople (we already have medusas in the faction) on fire do? Weird.
About the new spell names, here are my suggestions:
Sanctuary ok
Eldritch bolt instead of energy bolt
Call lightning ok
Frost circle instead of circle of winter
Hellfire ok (but written together. Some things seem cooler when written together)
Death Chant ok
Holy Word ok
Immolation ok
Air Ward instead of Ward Air (goes for all wards)
Weakness from H3 should stay (we don't need to change everything). Curse should stay too I think. At least until we come up with some names that don't include confusing the players.
Misfortune could be renamed to Jinx or something.
Berserk should stay berserk.
Other suggestions are ok.
If we include a new faction we'll have to work our butts off... Besides, we're going to need great creature artists. We just need to agree on that so that we see what we can do.
About upgrades, the entire point is that you give cash and resources for a reason. We don't want people to decide they don't want to upgrade a unit because it's better when unupgraded. Upgraded ones should be more powerful. Perhaps the difference should only be a little smaller.
Btw is it possible to change the look of town buildings? It will be strange to recruit the possessed in the imp crucible, for example. We need to change their names and perhaps looks a bit.
The chant patch is cool. Thanks dude
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Charon
Charon


Hired Hero
posted March 01, 2007 08:23 PM

(Finishing a plentiful meal while opening the forum window)
Oh, well i guess i missed a lot hapening here.
No matter, I'll just join in later.

Good job Baklava. I leave the spells entierly to you. All good luck.
Everybody else, your help is appreciated.
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