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Doomforge
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posted December 27, 2019 10:49 AM |
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For some reason people will actually pay (gold to opponent) to start with Conflux, though. Which is what I completely don't understand. Maybe some competitive players can explain this to me.
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Orc
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posted December 27, 2019 07:37 PM |
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Doomforge said:
For some reason people will actually pay (gold to opponent) to start with Conflux, though. Which is what I completely don't understand. Maybe some competitive players can explain this to me.
a tax to pick imba town.
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Doomforge
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posted December 27, 2019 08:18 PM |
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That part is obvious, the question was: what's so great about conflux to pay for it in HotA after the nerf.
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Zaio-Baio
Promising
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posted December 27, 2019 09:32 PM |
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@Doomforge
Many players are not aware of all the nerfs 
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Orc
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posted December 27, 2019 09:39 PM |
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Edited by Orc at 21:54, 27 Dec 2019.
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Doomforge said:
That part is obvious, the question was: what's so great about conflux to pay for it in HotA after the nerf.
Perhaps they werent nerfed enough. in fact, I only recall Firebirds growth/cost nerf.
Conflux was buffed in many other ways.
1-) ElementalConflux now give growth to all elementals (as @bloodSucker pointed)
2-) Elementalists got some huge buffs learning Earth magic SS.
3-) ArmaGGedon immunity was never changed as far as I know. EDIT: wait the 50% reduction instead of immunity RIP fenix! how can fenix be hit with fire?
4-) fenix still have imba speed.
@Zaio, what all LOL
its just fenix slight nerf.
Edit: immunity should be changed for magma and magic elementals instead. I understand Magma can immune to armaGGedon by why earth elemental????
also magma shouldnt even be immune cuz it must be immune to all fire why just Arma?
as for magic elemental, 50% vs magic fits. his speed must also be sit to 3. he have BlackDragon specialty its imba.
im fine with fire bird having Fire immunity it just makes since.
@Drakon and @Zaio are just exaggerating a bit.it cant be worst town.
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zmudziak22
Supreme Hero
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posted December 27, 2019 11:48 PM |
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Phoenix is still fire immune but Firebirds get only -50% damage from all fire spells(golem type spell damage reduction).
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Zaio-Baio
Promising
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posted December 27, 2019 11:50 PM |
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Conflux
Growth of Firebirds and Phoenixes decreased to 1 (2 after the construction of Castle).
Building tree
Constructing Upg. Magic Lantern now requires Mage Guild level 1 and Magic University beforehand.
New structure Vault of Ashes
Cost: 5000 gold, 5 mercury.
Requirements: Fort, Mage Guild Level 1, Magic Lantern, Altar of Air, Altar of Water, Altar of Fire, Altar of Earth, Altar of Thought, Pyre.
Increases the growth of the Firebird and Phoenix by 1.
Building prices
Cost of constructing the Pyre went up from 10 to 20 mercury and from 10000 to 15000 gold.
Building properties
Aurora Borealis (Grail structure of Conflux) allows learning spells up to according level of the Mage Guild in the city only and doesn’t allow learning spells not available for this town.
Creatures
Fire immunity of Firebirds replaced with 50% Fire Resist. Slightly decreased AI Value (thus, Pandora Boxes and Seer Huts on random map will give 6 Firebirds, instead of 5).
Creature prices
Cost of Psychic Elementals increased from 750 to 950 gold.
Cost of Magic Elementals increased from 800 to 1200 gold.
Cost of Firebirds increased from 1500 to 2000.
Cost of Phoenixes increased from 2000 gold + 1 mercury to 3000 gold + 1 mercury.
Other
Native terrain changed to highlands.
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Otuken
Famous Hero
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posted December 28, 2019 10:31 AM |
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Conflux is the weakest town in HotA.
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Orc
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posted December 28, 2019 11:09 AM |
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zmudziak22 said:
Phoenix is still fire immune but Firebirds get only -50% damage from all fire spells(golem type spell damage reduction).
oh I missed that. I always that the change affected both.
Good to know!
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bloodsucker
Legendary Hero
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posted December 28, 2019 11:19 AM |
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Otuken said:
Conflux is the weakest town in HotA.
I don't agree. While Phoenixes maintain their 21 of speed it can't ever be the weakest town, it has basically guaranteed first spell cast, besides many immunities and pretty strong and fast shooters.
All in all, I think HotA team made a lousy work on balancing it, cause now AI can't have Sprites early (so that humans can't exploit them) and Phoenix growth gets messy, specially in template maps where you get more then one external Pyre but it is still quite strong and it's one of the three towns (all strong) that can get their own level 7 creatures from banks, even if they are rarer then the other two.
It could be better? Yes, it's time to work on those mediocre heroes and rethink the Phoenix growth but obviously it's not weak or people wouldn't be paying to play it.
P.S. I'm not sure if that is possible but AI should be able to upgrade pixies early while humans couldn't.
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Orc
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posted December 28, 2019 12:08 PM |
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@BloodSucker
whats that? I never saw this in list of added features nor in changelog? is it a hidden rule like the "no pick logistics"??
http://forum.df2.ru/index.php?showtopic=32286
https://heroes.thelazy.net/index.php/Horn_of_the_Abyss_(Changelog)
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Ghost
Undefeatable Hero
Therefore I am
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posted December 28, 2019 12:17 PM |
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phoenix4ever
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posted December 28, 2019 12:30 PM |
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I think the 4 -> 3 Phoenixes was a great solution, there was no reason to make the Firebird building more expensive though, especially when they also need to buy the expensive Vault of Ashes.
I also think it became too hard to build Sprites, maybe it was too easy before, but now it's definitely too hard. Sprite building is one of the last buildings I build at Conflux, it makes no sense...
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Doomforge
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posted December 28, 2019 12:56 PM |
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So you pay a crapton of cash to get sprites (you need to fork 7000 gold for guild+university alone), but you can get Harpy Hags which are essentially a better version of sprite for less. Much less.
Okay. 
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bloodsucker
Legendary Hero
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posted December 28, 2019 01:10 PM |
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True. 
@Orc I have no idea what you are talking about.
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monere
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
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posted December 28, 2019 06:01 PM |
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hey, phoenix, are you immune to fire ??
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phoenix4ever
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posted December 28, 2019 08:45 PM |
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Sadly not anymore, I got nerfed by HotA. 
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monere
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Supreme Hero
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posted December 28, 2019 09:19 PM |
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phoenix4ever said:
Sadly not anymore, I got nerfed by HotA.
bloody snows! Making the very thing that gives you life harmful 
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