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Cleave
Promising
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Raging Blood
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posted November 20, 2007 11:20 AM |
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Might over Magic reduces the enemy's spellpower by the barbarian's spellpower, it's not uber since barbarians don't have a huge spellpower but it can be a pain with artifacts that boost spellpower.
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I would say rush them early. With Dungeons spells and invisibility, you probably should be able to take them. Later they will have Memory of our blood, the rage building, and maybe shatter magics. Even starting with only 100-150 rage, they are a pain.
Problem is, Barbarians get XP from spell shines as well so they will level up much faster in the early stages of the game (and a Barbarian's first choices should be Memory of Our Blood, Expert Blood Rage and Might Over Magic). A low level Warlock won't have plenty of mana and if the Barbarian has Might Over Magic spells won't be of much use.
IMO the Dungeon can be a real pain if the Stronghold hero doesn't have shatter destructive. Other than that Dark Magic (regardless of spellpower) is much more dangerous for the Stronghold.
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Ceres
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posted November 20, 2007 11:59 AM |
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Um... should I be afraid of Orcs now?
Is there a town which Dungeon would have the most advantage? Early game, Mid game and Late game? Or the game is really balanced that everything is equal. Let's just say this about good dungeon player vs good x player.
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Mytical
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Chaos seeking Harmony
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posted November 20, 2007 12:05 PM |
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I think maybe Inferno (though Deleb can be a pain). Early game, Haven perhaps (not positive). Maybe even mid game.
Late game Dungeon can be tough, if they have kept enough of their creatures alive and can get enough BD. They are still some of the strongest creatures (Black Dragons) in the game.
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exekutor
Adventuring Hero
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posted November 20, 2007 01:23 PM |
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I agree that Phoenixes have high initiative. And aside from that that, they resurrect themselves! With my latest experience, I happen to bring down a stack of 9 but when the last one dies another 9 just popped out... again.
There is a little "exploit" with Phoenix and Elemental Damage. If your ele-dmg kills the stack, it get's ressurrected and then the normal dmg get's applied, killing them again in the same attack. No Retaliation and only one time fire-shield dmg 
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Ceres
Supreme Hero
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posted November 20, 2007 01:55 PM |
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I should try that one, now. Thanks for the tip.
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Doomforge
Admirable
Undefeatable Hero
Retired Hero
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posted November 20, 2007 02:00 PM |
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Um... should I be afraid of Orcs now?
Is there a town which Dungeon would have the most advantage? Early game, Mid game and Late game? Or the game is really balanced that everything is equal. Let's just say this about good dungeon player vs good x player.
You should win without much problems vs. necropolis (except when they do some weird midgame rush with shackles), haven (if you attack early), sylvan (if you attack early), inferno (if you blast the familiars with a hit and run first or do it early with ice spell+cold death to stop deleb), fortress (if you attack early) and orcs (if you attack early). Academy will most likely overpower you at any part of the game, although your chances are highest early-to-mid (they are not high, though). You will most likely lose versus endgame stronghold with shatter destructive or endgame fortress, if they have runes of ressurection, rune of elemental immunity and dwarven luck. It's rather an even matchup against sylvan, even in endgame, well the longer the game takes, the bigger advantage is at sylvan's side.
Not that "endgame" varies between maps.. on that newby hourglass, endgame occurs after a month or so, but on a poor and big map, it may take much longer to level up hero to high level and get all the endgame features (level 7 upgraded units, best skills etc.).
In other words, you can beat everything excluding academy with ease if you attack early enough, with a powerleveled warlock. Things get worse on two castle maps, and rather hard on three castle maps.
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samiekl
Supreme Hero
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posted November 20, 2007 03:12 PM |
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Doomforge, i wasnt speaking about hourglass only. On almost any map that has an utopia you can reach 40+ spellpower in week 4-5. warlocks luck isnt worth it in most games because you desperately need other skills to be more effective in rushing. i wouldnt waste 6 lvl-ups to get warlocks luck because... i need 5-6 on destructive, 5-6 on enlightenment, 4 on logistics, 3-6 on sorcery... i dont have enough time to take luck too and i wouldnt leave out any of the afore-mentioned skills and perks. i simply dont have time to get to warlocks luck.
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phoenixreborn
Promising
Legendary Hero
Unicorn
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posted November 20, 2007 03:17 PM |
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The way I'm seeing it Dungeon is much more restricted than the other factions when choosing skills at level up. That makes it less fun.
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Doomforge
Admirable
Undefeatable Hero
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posted November 20, 2007 03:32 PM |
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samiekl, I just don't like the maps you play, it seems. Any map with an utopia is automatically broken to me (utopias are too easy to clean and give too powerful rewards - like a staff of neverworld for might hero in a might vs. might matchup).
Warlock's luck used to be a great pick in vanilla H5 and HoF. But with all the prerequisites, I see that it can be better to ignore it in ToTe. After all its even more rush crazed than previous H5 games.
I haven't played much with warlocks in ToTe to be honest. I somehow preferred other, more fun castles. Since much have changed, all my previous playstyle and experience may seem a bit noobish nowadays. Too bad I don't have time to test it further. Oh well 
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samiekl
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posted November 20, 2007 03:38 PM |
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well, i like those maps because dungeon can be inferior there, thats how i progress. its no fun for me to play on typical rush maps (rush possible in week 1-2), because dungeon clearly has an advantage there (in my opinion of course). As i said before, lots of things changed in tote and new strategies are required.
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phoenixreborn
Promising
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Unicorn
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posted November 20, 2007 04:43 PM |
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I'm playing this game for 5 years.
Heh
Anyway v3zow what do you prefer for haven, light or dark magic...you didn't mention any magic skills. Against Dungeon I'd go dark...
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phoenixreborn
Promising
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Unicorn
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posted November 20, 2007 04:51 PM |
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The game has only been out for 1.5 years. Past heroes games have nothing to do with being good at this one.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted November 20, 2007 04:55 PM |
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And apparently did not have much of an effect In any case that's the wrong thread to start this discussion.
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alcibiades
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
of Gold Dragons
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posted November 20, 2007 04:59 PM |
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In any case that's the wrong thread to start this discussion.
Yes, this thread is for Dungeon Strategy. Their are ample of threads about Haven strategy, take a look through the Table of Contents to find them, if none are readily available on front page.
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pinkspear
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Crazy like a fool
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posted November 20, 2007 07:32 PM |
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@samiekl
Thanx for the advice! I totally forgot the utopia underground section on the map, and btw I chose defense 'cause next level-up I could get last stand which can save your @$$ in certain situations. However, vs AI it doesn't count too much. I'd like to play vs human players, but the game hasn't been released here yet    . Lucky non-Hungarians...
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samiekl
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posted November 20, 2007 07:42 PM |
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hmmm, not really, you should actually avoid any contact between your creatures and enemy creatures. with or without defense
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Ceres
Supreme Hero
and sweetness
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posted November 21, 2007 01:01 AM |
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@Mysty and Doomforge
Thanks for the tips! It's very helpful. But maybe I should give up using Dungeon in TotE since everything seems to change... a lot. Maybe I'll try another faction until there's a way to make Dungeon become as effective as before in this expansion. But I think invisible creatures are fun to use!
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Edwin_Yang
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posted November 21, 2007 07:29 AM |
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I have another problem...how to make banlance between the creeping and magic learning.?
I mean that Dungeon need high level magic to rush.but most time your will go too far away for creeping to turn back to learn magic.it aways delays my paln for rush..
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Doomforge
Admirable
Undefeatable Hero
Retired Hero
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posted November 21, 2007 10:12 AM |
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do a full circle around your castle creeping everything around, learning destructive asap and building guilds, that way you don't have to return later to learn spells..
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Ceres
Supreme Hero
and sweetness
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posted November 21, 2007 10:27 AM |
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@Edwin Yang
I thought you were an Academy guy.
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