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alcibiades
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
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posted September 20, 2007 07:44 PM |
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Alcibiades> I hope you are right. It sounds very interesting, allthough it might give a few issues. For exemple: Can you get Triple Ballista wihout having Ballista?
No, as far as I know you will always need a basic ability to get the advanced ones - for instance, Tripple Ballista will always require Ballista ability, but perhaps for some faction both Ballista > Tripple Ballista, Catapult > Brimstone Rain, and First Aid > Plague Tent might be an option - depending on what you favor.
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sfidanza
Promising
Supreme Hero
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posted September 20, 2007 08:01 PM |
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I tend to think that having more strategic choices is a good thing. For example, why would Triple Ballista/Catapult, or a very useful ability like Snatch, be restricted to one faction? I think it's good that all heroes can access them, with some having easier requirements.
Like Alcibiades, I like that we'll be able to gain advanced abilities from not only one, but 2 or 3 basic abilities. True, it could make it harder to plan a specific development, but that will have to be tested. And the special adventure location allowing to forget abilities should help as well. We can't judge how it will turn out without testing.
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Alcibiades> I hope you are right. It sounds very interesting, allthough it might give a few issues. For exemple: Can you get Triple Ballista wihout having Ballista?
No. Don't worry, the logic is respected. 
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guarder
Supreme Hero
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posted September 20, 2007 08:08 PM |
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at absoluttspill.no sais that the realease date would be 10.oct.07
Sorry but you're wrong. They say 12.10.2007 which means 12th october 2007
Alcibiades> I hope you are right. It sounds very interesting, allthough it might give a few issues. For exemple: Can you get Triple Ballista wihout having Ballista?
oh, sorry
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roy-algriffin
Supreme Hero
Chocolate ice cream zealot
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posted September 20, 2007 08:21 PM |
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phoenixreborn
Promising
Legendary Hero
Unicorn
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posted September 20, 2007 09:40 PM |
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Yes, having more abilities to choose from is a good thing but at the same time faction unique abilities should still exist, and not just in the racial skill path. For example warlock's luck should remain a warlock ability and not be accessible to other factions.
But yes, Snatch could be useful for others and there isn't anything inherently fortressy about it. Divine guidance on the other hand should stay only with the knight IMO.
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emilsn
Legendary Hero
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posted September 20, 2007 09:52 PM |
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Snatch - Is only for the Fortress! Look they have small legs which many others dont! And they need snatch because walking those few meters is though!! So Let them have it!! Forge and fire
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted September 20, 2007 10:01 PM |
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I feel belittled by the grandieur of your argument  Or rather dwarfed.
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Doomforge
Admirable
Undefeatable Hero
Retired Hero
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posted September 20, 2007 10:12 PM |
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Yes, having more abilities to choose from is a good thing but at the same time faction unique abilities should still exist, and not just in the racial skill path. For example warlock's luck should remain a warlock ability and not be accessible to other factions.
But yes, Snatch could be useful for others and there isn't anything inherently fortressy about it. Divine guidance on the other hand should stay only with the knight IMO.
I wanted to write the same thing. The skills heavily connected to one hero (warlock's luck, yea) should remain class-exclusives. Divine guidance, come on, how on earth demons or necromancers can use that? It's ridiculous and completely doesn't fit their background. As for the neutral skills, like snatch, well, it's ok to make them a choice for every faction, I guess, because with 2% chance of logistics for dwarves, the skill was extremely rare to see anyway.
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roy-algriffin
Supreme Hero
Chocolate ice cream zealot
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posted September 20, 2007 10:14 PM |
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I think that a few skills should just stay only for one faction cause its simply more replay value that way .
Still if they introduce some new skills that are for only one faction then it will be fine for me
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted September 20, 2007 10:16 PM |
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On those specific ones I will agree. It's the general idea that I like and as you say it just does not fit. Still I will be sure to enjoy using them.
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alcibiades
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
of Gold Dragons
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posted September 20, 2007 10:31 PM |
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About Divine Guidance ... Remember, that Divine does not necessarily imply anything good. You can receive Divine Guidance from an evil or chaotic deity as well as from a good one.
As for Warlock's Luck ... Yes, they should perhaps change the name. Just like Elven Luck or Dwarven Luck will remain only with appropriate factions.
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dschingi
Famous Hero
the guy with the dragon golem
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posted September 20, 2007 10:39 PM |
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aah I wish I could see the new skill wheels 
As long as strong abilities like Empathy are not too easy to obtain I'm all happy about more choices.
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emilsn
Legendary Hero
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posted September 20, 2007 10:42 PM |
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warlock's luck changed to: Everyones Luck or Allaround luck  - I think the locks should keep that one
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Locke16k
Hired Hero
Iepurasul de Pasti
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posted September 20, 2007 10:43 PM |
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Yes, having more abilities to choose from is a good thing but at the same time faction unique abilities should still exist, and not just in the racial skill path. For example warlock's luck should remain a warlock ability and not be accessible to other factions.Quote:
Hey what if other factions can take Warlock's luck, they can't use it's full potential like Dungeon. Think it this way, Heaven and Fortress are light magic users, above all they lack spellpower so Destructive for them is "AHHH", Necro and Academy have that much needed spellpower but let's face it Necro = Dark magic and the wizards don't have empower spells. Sylvan mmmm maybe but I don't think that U rather take Warlock luck instead of Elven luck, I for one would defenetly take elven luck over warlock. And last inferno mmm maybe but still spellpower needed. So on my opinion Dungeon will get the most of warlock luck (Highest spellpower + empower spells = destruction) followed by Academy and Necro (high spellpower).
O and by the way I've read on celestial heaven site, on the creature abilities page Cristal Scale = Makes cristal dragon immune to "every time one creature from stack dead" (harm touch, vorpal blade etc.) Are there going to be Cristal Dragons in Heroes 5 ? Or it's a mistake?
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted September 20, 2007 11:31 PM |
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It was supposed to but never made it to the game.
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Dexter
Known Hero
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posted September 21, 2007 01:15 AM |
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Maybe it did... You just don't know about it...
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Daystar
Honorable
Legendary Hero
Back from the Dead
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posted September 21, 2007 01:16 AM |
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I wonder if it was meant as a neutral, in Dungeon, or in Sylvan?
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Azagal
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Smooth Snake
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posted September 21, 2007 01:19 AM |
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Actually im quite happy that there will be more skills accesable for the factions... never liked it that fortress had preperation and empathy and no one else had that... empathy would just be plain godly for Warlocks^^ which would make Kythra or leadership more interesting again. I just hope that the skill choice won't be too random ok you allways have to be lucky but now you got to be a little bit more lucky/planing.
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pinkspear
Known Hero
Crazy like a fool
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posted September 21, 2007 01:19 AM |
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted September 21, 2007 01:20 AM |
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It know it's in the ingame files but it cannot be used as far as I'm concerned.
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