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sfidanza
sfidanza


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posted June 28, 2007 04:25 PM
Edited by sfidanza at 16:27, 28 Jun 2007.

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So I wouldn't be very surprised if in the end, we end up with this odd and illogical selection of 8 new spells distributed unevenly on the four classes.

I like those spells, and I guess most of you do as well. When I saw them in the HoF files, I was really eager to play with them. Too bad they weren't in, but I'm all for having them in ToE. There is tradition (like Sorrow) and innovation (Summon Hive, Arcane Crystal...)!

About counting the number per school, they just have to take one current spell from Summoning and put it in Destructive Magic, and voilą!!
No big deal...
Plus, dschingi is right, this info has not been confirmed yet, AFAIK.

By the way, it's the same with the Renegades. Obviously:
- there won't be the 14 classic Haven, plus the Alternates, PLUS the renegades
- they won't develop completely new models and a complete new set of abilities
This leads to the Haven alternates being "mostly based" on the Renegades (same models, most abilities conserved). But obviously as well, they will fix some imbalances or opposition in the spirit, like Fallen Angel (with Drain Life) or Zealot casting Blind. They did a pretty good job overall with other alternates (there are arguable points, but the abilities info we have is at best not final yet). So I'm sure they'll tweak the Renegades just what's necessary to make them fit. Hopefully that will make everybody happy.

Maybe I could ask it this way: what would make you happy? (maybe I should say "satisfied", I know you guys often want it all ).

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alcibiades
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posted June 29, 2007 03:03 AM

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So I wouldn't be very surprised if in the end, we end up with this odd and illogical selection of 8 new spells distributed unevenly on the four classes.

I like those spells, and I guess most of you do as well. When I saw them in the HoF files, I was really eager to play with them. Too bad they weren't in, but I'm all for having them in ToE. There is tradition (like Sorrow) and innovation (Summon Hive, Arcane Crystal...)!

About counting the number per school, they just have to take one current spell from Summoning and put it in Destructive Magic, and voilą!!
No big deal...


*Scowls at Sfidanza* ... Of course, you are right, as always. They could move Firewall to Destructive to solve the issue of number of spells in all schools and 4 level 4 Summoning spells ... I still hope they will add a new spell on each level to make it 3 spells of each level in each school.

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By the way, it's the same with the Renegades. (...)

Maybe I could ask it this way: what would make you happy? (maybe I should say "satisfied", I know you guys often want it all ).


Ok this is what I would want to change on the Renegades to make a suitable option for Haven alternatives:

Landlord - Defence 3, Damage 1-1, HP 6, Tax Collector (3 gold/turn).
Crossbowman - Damage 2-6.
Crusader - Attack 6, Initiative 9, Speed 5, HP 20.
Battle Griffin - HP 40 or 45.
Zealot - Attack 18, Spellbook: Righteous Might (advanced), Slow (basic), Weakness (basic).
Champion - no changes.
Seraph - Attack 33, Defence 29, Inspire Courage, Eternal Servitude [aka. Resurrect Self].

I think this would more or less balance things. Landlord would be more defensive plus focus on the economical aspect. Crossbowman is cut on hyper damage, Crusader is faster and more offensive but less tanky. Battle Griffin needs boost on HP to endure the semi-tanky role its ability invites it to play. Zealot has changed its spells away from overpowered Blind spell. And Seraph no longer bears the evil stain of the Fallen Angel that goes so poorly with the normal Haven line-up.
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SBlister
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Rakshasa Commander
posted June 29, 2007 05:14 PM

On the topic of Haven alternatives, I hope that the renegades aren't the alternatives. Many people are hoping that the Seraph would be the new angel upgrade. I have a bio for them:

The Seraph are an elite cadre of angels representing the destructive element of Elrath, Dragon of Light. Normally Elrath would never condone their deployment but with the ravaging hordes of Demon as well as the threat of the Undead and other forces, the Seraph or angels of death have been sent to aid the Griffin Empire in their times of utmost peril.

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radar
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Castle/Haven player
posted June 29, 2007 06:14 PM

maybe like in beta? killed angel is able to buy in castle again
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Elvin
Elvin


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Endless Revival
posted June 29, 2007 06:34 PM
Edited by Elvin at 19:59, 29 Jun 2007.

To buy as an archangel this time...

Edit: Some news. Gamedaily has a preview available here. Doesn't say much but I suppose from now on we can expect more to come, probably better informed.

Edit 2: Btw I see something about a sovereign campaign what gives? Won't Arantir have a necro campaign?
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Elvin
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posted June 30, 2007 11:09 PM

Some more pics by Eternor:














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Daystar
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posted July 01, 2007 12:09 AM

Sweet!  Are those official?  If so, there's still a chance for haven alts!
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Elvin
Elvin


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posted July 01, 2007 12:17 AM

I don't really know, can't read russian They come from here.

If so the fallen angels seem a reality though depending on their stats I might even like that. I never really hated the renegades, I just wanted to see something new and definitely more balanced.
As for the two handed sword guy it may be the pre-hof vindicator though they could have reskinned him for all we know.
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Air_salami
Air_salami

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Too much stuff to wait for...
posted July 01, 2007 01:38 AM



I found this pic from the russian website, prolly for some campaign

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guarder
guarder


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posted July 01, 2007 01:16 PM
Edited by guarder at 13:16, 01 Jul 2007.


look at this, a funny smile

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Daystar
Daystar


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Back from the Dead
posted July 01, 2007 02:33 PM

There's new stuff on one of the websites, it's polish or sth.





There's also a pic of the first Orc hero, though I'm not certain because I don't know what language that is so I cannot translate it.
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sheensher
sheensher


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and Slipknot FAn
posted July 03, 2007 02:28 PM

An orc hero :

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ZodkayCudimraZ
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We are Gilraenites
posted July 04, 2007 04:32 PM
Edited by ZodkayCudimraZ at 16:43, 04 Jul 2007.

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Dragon God Shalassa


This is an interesting point: Shalassa is a Goddess, not a god, which is generaly a male form, where goddess is female.  But is this an odd, obscure form of sexism?  That there needs to be an alternate word to seperate male and female gods?  Even as I type that, the word gods is used, becuase it sounds a lot better and is used more than if I said "Male and female goddesses"

So should the word goddess exist at all, when talking about pantheons?  Is there a need to use just one word, "God" or perhaps something in the middle, "Godde" to designate a devine entity, regardless of their gender?

Sidenote: In the most Feminist show that I've ever seen, Buffy, The Vampire Slayer they have a god as the big bad of season V, but the god is female, yet is always refered to as a god, and not a goddess.


The answer is actually quite simply. Long live Wiktionary:

Etymology
From Middle English, from Old English god (meaning supreme being, deity), from Old High German got (a rank of deity), from the Proto-Germanic guša-|gušan, from the Proto-Indo-European participle *ghuto- (meaning that which is invoked), from the PIE root *ghau- (meaning to call, to invoke) or gheu- (to pour). Not related to the word good.

Usage notes
The word "god" is often applied both to males and to females. The word was originally neuter in Proto-Germanic, Christian usage shifted the gender to masculine, necessitating the development of a feminine form, "goddess".

In conclusion, god is already (etmylogically) genderless. Something similar occurs in the usage of "man" and woman". Nowadays we use the word man more often to indicate that someone is of the male gender than we do to speak about mankind. However, it is the latter that etymology can be found in. Man originally meant "human being". Germanic words used to modify their noun to denote sex. Then, during the Middle Ages, they lost this feature.
So looking back on woman, it simply means "adult female human being." Still a bit strange, seeing as how there isn't a "manman" to denote an "adult man human being". Etymology (but more often religion and history) is quite a biased thing.  
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War-overlord
War-overlord


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Presidente of Isla del Tropico
posted July 09, 2007 09:04 PM

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Elvin can you tell me if the orcs will be good or bad in the expansion? Because in the AoH Headlines it says that they seek revenge against human and mages. So they will give Biara and rest of the inferno forces a timeout to recover, while they fight whom ever comes from Humans and Zehir I pressume?


The alligment of the Orcs is neither good nor evil. You are right that the Orcs hate Haven-humans and the Wizards with a passion, since they have enslaved the Orcs. The last or the one-before-last Might and Magic newsletter also explains that the Orcs hate the Demons just as much as they hate their former slavemasters. During the First war of the Eclipse, when the Orcs were created, the Orcs fought alongside the Humans, Elves and Wizards against the Demons. The Orcs turned back the tide of Demons and during one of the major battles, when all Orc-warriors were in battle, the Demons made use of the distraction. They raided the Orccamps and killed every infant, elderly and infirmed. Because of this raid almost twothirds of the Orc population was slaughtered and Orcs have hated the Demons because of this.

The Orcs seem to have no particular quarrel with either Elven people or the Dwarves, that I know of, but most view Orcs as Demons and wil either shun them, or kill them on sight. Because of this the Orcs trust nobody other than Orcs.

So Orcs could be regarded as neutral, but the kind of neutral that kills you if you get to close.
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Daystar
Daystar


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Back from the Dead
posted July 09, 2007 10:21 PM

Yes, quite likely.

I think the Orcs are rather like the Dark Elves: They have good intentions (kill the demons) because they just want to survive, live in freedom, but it is hard because they are seen as evil.
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War-overlord
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Presidente of Isla del Tropico
posted July 10, 2007 02:20 PM

I must say, I'm not to fond of the comparison of Orcs with Dark Elves. It's true that they are both seen as Evil, but they are not seen as evil for the same reason. Orcs are seen as Demonspawn (for obvious reasons) and in the eyes of most other races should be treated as Demons. The precognition is inforced by the Brutishness of Orcs in battle, but isn't entirely true as far as we know. The Orcs don't want to destroy the world or such. De Dark Elves are seen as Evil because they are sneaky, treacherous and uncarring for others. This precognition is entirely true as I understand it and the fact that in "peacetime" the Dark Elves turn on eachother doesn't realy help them either. One of the few things they have incommon is that they are both distrustfull of other races.
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Daystar
Daystar


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Back from the Dead
posted July 10, 2007 02:32 PM

True.  If orcs are done right they could have very interesting personalities.  
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War-overlord
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Presidente of Isla del Tropico
posted July 10, 2007 05:47 PM

I fear that the personalities of the Orcs will not be further developed than the Vindictive/Misunderstood Barbarians. You're right Daystar that they could be interesting, but I fear they will miss this chance for dept.

As for the slow release of new info. I think they are just not done yet with the Orcs or they are extremely busy with Beta that they just don't have the time to pass the stuf to Ubi.
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Azagal
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posted July 10, 2007 05:47 PM

I don't agree with you Nival and Ubi have revealed key information about the orcs atleast considering their gameplay. I'm not sure if it was in this thread or in some other but they said that the orcs would have some kind of "rage" bar system, they've revealed the racial special (the berserker thing or something like that), that the heroes will not be able to use any kind of magic etc. and they have allready revelead many screenshots and concept art i don't really think you can blame them for not providing us with information.

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War-overlord
War-overlord


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Presidente of Isla del Tropico
posted July 10, 2007 09:04 PM

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I don't agree with you Nival and Ubi have revealed key information about the orcs atleast considering their gameplay. I'm not sure if it was in this thread or in some other but they said that the orcs would have some kind of "rage" bar system, they've revealed the racial special (the berserker thing or something like that), that the heroes will not be able to use any kind of magic etc. and they have allready revelead many screenshots and concept art i don't really think you can blame them for not providing us with information.


Actualy, almost all of that information is not released, it is leaked. Leaked information is often outdated or will be reworked just before the release, which makes all that information doubtable at best. Even the officaLY released info is marked as Work In Progress.

And the info we want most the Line-up of the Orcs is not released, but hinted at, nor have we seen any hero-bios.

As for the Screenshots: 5(not counting the alt-upgrades) have officialy beemn released, all others have been leaked.

All considered, we have almost no Hard information. Just leaks and WIPs.
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