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TheDeath
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
with serious business
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posted April 24, 2007 07:44 PM |
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Wow, nice idea about the Hellfire dude! 
Also I feel it's better if you need to get an ability first to make Fire spells work that way -- otherwise they will simply damage your troops normally. I feel it's better that way 
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Moonlith
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
If all else fails, use Fiyah!
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posted April 24, 2007 07:45 PM |
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How about:
Every Infernal creature hit by a fire spell of the hero will have its attack increased by 50% for one turn. Also, the chances of Hell Fire ability to trigger are raised to 80% for the same amount
How about:
Every Infernal creature hit by a fire spell of the hero or of the enemy hero, or of the the enemy hero's creatures, will have its attack increased by 50% for one turn. Also, the chances of Hell Fire ability to trigger are raised to 80% for the same amount.
Probably needs a requirement though, hellfire most likely. But that would probably overpower the ability.
Note this would ALSO make Demons imune to enemy fire magic in a sense...
And it STILL leaves that major weakness against Dark Magic 
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Moonlith
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
If all else fails, use Fiyah!
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posted April 24, 2007 07:47 PM |
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Edited by Moonlith at 19:49, 24 Apr 2007.
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The Succubus' strike could also 'burn' the target for three turns.
Each strike of this creature burns the target, causing damage each turn. The burning damage is 75% of the damage dealt for the first turn, 50% for the second and 25% for the last. Does not work on creatures with fire-immunity
I like that!
And still. Pit lord needs two meteor showers  And higher initiative
... And armageddon for Archdevils or Pitlords  Pit Lords may not have good mana for it though, I'd say it would suit Archdevils as a final suicide move maybe.
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TheDeath
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
with serious business
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posted April 24, 2007 07:49 PM |
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And it STILL leaves that major weakness against Dark Magic
Dark magic weakens you --> you boost with your fire spells via the ability.
Or should we also add a "cleanse-like" effect?
I don't know if it'll be overpowered, but the idea is quite original
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Moonlith
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
If all else fails, use Fiyah!
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posted April 24, 2007 07:50 PM |
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Edited by Moonlith at 19:51, 24 Apr 2007.
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And it STILL leaves that major weakness against Dark Magic
Dark magic weakens you --> you boost with your fire spells via the ability.
Or should we also add a "cleanse-like" effect?
I don't know if it'll be overpowered, but the idea is quite original
I mostly fear Puppet Master.
Personally I don't like the cleansing effect of fire magic, as explained above, I don't like fire in a non-offensive way  But that's just me.
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ZombieLord
Promising
Famous Hero
that wants your brainz...
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posted April 24, 2007 07:55 PM |
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I also have an idea for SoulFire (to improve it ofc)
When Demon Lord consumes corpses, they may suddenly explode in a burst of fire, blinding all adjacent creatures for three rounds, including those under hero's control
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Moonlith
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
If all else fails, use Fiyah!
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posted April 24, 2007 08:01 PM |
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How about bringing back an old H3's special ability: Fire Shield?
Don't know which creature though, one that gets targetted a lot perhaps.
In my opinion not cerberi or Nightmares, I always pictured it like this:
Archdevils and Pitlords gate.
Cerberi and Nightmares charge, get killed.
2 stacks of archdevils resurect both stacks as pitlords.
Leaving you with 2 stacks of Archdevils and 4 stacks of Pitlords. Never brought it into practise though.
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ChaosDragon
Famous Hero
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posted April 24, 2007 08:38 PM |
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It's possible on very big maps.
I tried it once in a battle againts my brother at Rise to Power, i luckily obtain Urgash Call, and also the Pendant of Mastery, and i managed to make 6 stacks of pit lords in my battle againts his dungeon, my 6 stacks of about 100++ pit lords can deal more damage than empowered meteor shower +50% earth damage artifact, a meteor shower from 1 stacks deals about 500++ damage, and if all 6 stacks cast meteor shower, it's about 3.2k++ total damage in one turn. Thanks to my 2 stacks of Archdevils, also my second inferno castle.
Back to the idea, i think that hellfire damage is too few, it's damage growth is not that big. How about increasing hellfire damage, and make it has a % chance to deals AoE damage. And Archdevil should have a good area damage fire spell, armagedon is okay, for suicide battle, and it suit inferno chaotic nature.
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Moonlith
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
If all else fails, use Fiyah!
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posted April 24, 2007 09:49 PM |
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Hmmm... I could see quite some abuse coming from that armageddon ability though.
Buy new hero, give 1 Arch Devil, have Arch Devil cast Armageddon... Self-kill, but massive damage against a nearing enemy army at the cost of 1 arch devil and a weak hero. If armageddon does more than 200 damage you already more than compensate the loss of 1 Arch Devil.
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TheDeath
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
with serious business
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posted April 24, 2007 09:51 PM |
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How can it do 200 damage?
It only does 30+30*spellpower. so around 60 or so.
Yeah I know there will be abuses, but that's generally the Armaggedon spell.
Also you lose a hero as well (secondary) that costs 3000 or so gold.
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Moonlith
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
If all else fails, use Fiyah!
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posted April 24, 2007 09:53 PM |
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When a creature casts a spell, the power = the Hero's Spell Power?
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TheDeath
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
with serious business
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posted April 24, 2007 09:55 PM |
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nono
it's calculated with a logarithmic formula (depends on size of stack of course). you can take a look at the manual.
besides, 30+30*power is for expert -- I doubt expert is a good mastery, considering Pit Fiends currently have basic for Meteor Shower.
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Moonlith
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
If all else fails, use Fiyah!
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posted April 24, 2007 10:07 PM |
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Well the alternative is 15 + 15*P.
Soooo for suicide missions you need ... Uhr, about 13 / 14 spellpower to kill off your own Archdevil + 1 enemy tier 7 troops, plus other stacks...
Alright, so no rushy with 1 archdevil. 
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ChaosDragon
Famous Hero
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posted April 24, 2007 10:42 PM |
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The damage of that armagedon should be a little higher.
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Izzachar
Adventuring Hero
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posted July 05, 2007 02:02 AM |
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Doomforge you must be pro at this game by now  .
Myself havent played it for the last year. Simultanious turns looks nice. Thinking about starting playing again, wanted to know if much have changed for inferno so I browsed the forums. Seems as if it has not
Its not a valid tactic anymore to use familiars to drain opponents mana with another hero, flee, summon to the main hero and attack again? Worked nicely ins ome games I had back in the days.
Are annoying out of sync issues still occur? Or can you play the game on the internet now without worrying about this issues? Also does simultanious turns work out good? A bit off topic I know, gotta make upp my mind wether to buy the expansion and start playing again
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SwampLord
Supreme Hero
Lord of the Swamp
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posted July 05, 2007 02:05 AM |
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Seems good. Do you mean simultaneous turns in combat, or on adventure map?
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They can take my swamp, they can take my town, but they will never take my FREEDOM!
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Izzachar
Adventuring Hero
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posted July 05, 2007 02:22 AM |
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Edited by Izzachar at 02:23, 05 Jul 2007.
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On the map off course
Also would like to add, took you (doomforge) 1.5 years to end your inferno crusade. I dont know if thats a good or bad thing Im gonna play inferno only if I go back though and continue where you stopped
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted July 05, 2007 08:22 AM |
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Welcome back, haven't seen you in ages! Yeah simultaneous turns works fine and as for desyncs they only began with the new hamachi version but can be avoided by using the previous one
With TotE and the inferno alternate upgrades you'll have new things to take into account 
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Map also hosted on Moddb
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Doomforge
Admirable
Undefeatable Hero
Retired Hero
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posted July 05, 2007 12:38 PM |
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Doomforge you must be pro at this game by now .
Not really.. haven't played this game for ages (and I don't know who borrowed my cd ~~). But hey, nice to see you back
I guess I will get back to action when the 2nd expansion gets finished 
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Izzachar
Adventuring Hero
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posted July 05, 2007 01:21 PM |
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lol do you have to use hamachi still to avoid out of sync errors? Cant you play over ubi.com?
And what is Tote? and when is the new expansion comming? Will it be sold in stores or free?
Man I now I really really wanna play this game again, it has settled over night. Anyone care for a game this weekend maybe? Gonna try buy the expansion untill then.
Sorry for derailing the thread
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