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ChaosDragon
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posted April 24, 2007 11:52 PM |
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Wow, never hear about that, but it make very good sense, because there must be six things that match the six elemental dragons as their counterpart.
Somehow i hope they are six evil dragons, but why they're demon overlord. I think the demon overlords is weaker than the six dragon gods, like in D&D, archdevils and demon princes is weaker than dragon gods.
And by noting that the six demon overlords is not gods, then it is clear that they can't match the six elemental dragons, so there must be six another dragon gods of Urgash as the counterpart of six dragon gods of Asha (Chaos vs Order).
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Istari
Known Hero
Truth Teller, ToH
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posted April 25, 2007 12:32 AM |
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Maybe Asha is just more creative than Urgash and thus created more types of creatures. Nowhere is their any mention of a parallel to the 6 elemental dragons and maybe their doesn't need to be... that is pretty organized for a Dragon of Chaos. We are looking for miror symmetry and that may not be the case. It makes sense the the Dragon of Order would organize creation by elements. It may also make sense that the Dragon of Chaos just wants one type of creature- destructive.
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Plexus22
Known Hero
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posted April 25, 2007 04:17 AM |
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WOW you guys get way too involved in the mythology of this game. As someone mentioned Nival didnt care too much about even creating a good story behind the game so why focus on it so much? Who cares. Its a strategy game not a fantasy adventure game that relies heavily on a good story, so just play the game 
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siinn
Adventuring Hero
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posted April 25, 2007 09:58 AM |
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Who cares?
people that love fantasy stories, people with imagination
I'm curious tell me: why can't you just avoid posting in this topic if you think it's useless? is it just to say "lol you guys are speaking in the wind"
I'm a bit disapointed with the fact that angels and faceless belong to mortal races: aren't angels suppose to be immortal?
did the angels and the faceless come to Ashan together with elves, humans, naga and dwarves?
does the big picture of master&servants look like this:
asha => 6 dragons
urgash => 6 demon lords
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elrath => angels
malassa => faceless
shalassa => nagas
sylanna => elves
sylath => humans
arkath => dwarves
demon lords => demons
hum... it is possible... why not... after the elder war angels and faceless probably became somehow more powerful than other mortals. they may have obtained their immortality status like ancient heroes from greece did. then some humans took angel's job as servant of elrath and dark elves later did the same with malassa?
hum... I must admit it makes sense!
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alcibiades
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
of Gold Dragons
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posted April 25, 2007 10:26 AM |
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Kind of like that, but not entirely. Look at the link in the post I made on page 1 (#9 from top) to see the full story with the info we have right now. For instance, the Humans later abandonded Sylath to join forces with the Angels in worshiping Elrath, and the "Demon Lords" as we know them in the game (= the Inferno hero) haven't got demi-God status like the Elemental Dragons - the Inferno Heroes seem to be a joined lot of Inferno creatures-turned-heroes (Demons, Succubi, etc.) and humanoid members of Demon cults (humans, elfs?).
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ChaosDragon
Famous Hero
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posted April 25, 2007 11:50 AM |
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alcibiades is right, inferno heroes are inferno creatures that have achieve hero status.
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Maybe Asha is just more creative than Urgash and thus created more types of creatures. Nowhere is their any mention of a parallel to the 6 elemental dragons and maybe their doesn't need to be... that is pretty organized for a Dragon of Chaos. We are looking for miror symmetry and that may not be the case. It makes sense the the Dragon of Order would organize creation by elements. It may also make sense that the Dragon of Chaos just wants one type of creature- destructive.
This is not about symetry or not, this is about balance.
Since when order is more creative than chaos.
Besides, i think Daystar is right about demon overlords, i forgot where i read those thing, but i think on heroes round table forums, yes, the demon overlords exist, but i don't know their exact number, if i'm not mistaken, Kha beleth is one of them.
And what's wrong with Chaos being orderly, chaos is also order, it can change to anything at his will, for he is the everchanging one.
Then six counterpart of six elemental dragons are okay, since chaos is also order.
So i'm sure the six counterpart are exist, at least in the primordial time, when all things are still very young, if today the six counterpart have been defeated, it's okay, at least they exist in the past.
Their number maybe not six, but at least the counterpart of the great six is exist.
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Lich_King
Honorable
Supreme Hero
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posted April 25, 2007 11:51 AM |
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What if the races were created in different times ? Angels and Faceless being the first to be created, that could mean that to this day they are strongly evolved compared to other 4 mortal races, such as elves dwarves, humans and naga. That would explain how early elvish civilisation perishes at the wartime btw angels and faceless.
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siinn
Adventuring Hero
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posted April 25, 2007 11:59 AM |
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reading the post linked by alci and thinking about lich_king theory...
I finally feel myself happy with Ashan mythostory!!! 
It's hard to move from traditionnal fantasy background to Ashan's one because of this:
Elementar Dragons =same level as= Demon Lords
Angels =same level as= demons AND other dragons servants (faceless, elves etc...)
but here lich_king found the key! 
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ChaosDragon
Famous Hero
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posted April 25, 2007 01:10 PM |
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There is no journal of when those elder races were created in the past, at least that is what we know. But i think the dragon knights know many unrevealed secrets.
But i agree that angel and faceless were superior to dwarf, elf, and human, why? look at their lv 7 creatures, they were dragons and angels. As for the naga, we must wait to see their lv 7 creatures, if its power is close to those of angel and faceless and the lv 7 creature is naga, so naga is tie with angels and faceless, if it is not naga, but a dragonic creatures, then angels and faceless is superior than the naga.
Angels and faceless is the only servants that can almost match the power of the children of elemental dragons, at least at present days, dunno about the past, it seems we must seek the secret of dragon knights if we want to know about many mysteries of the past.
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Elementar Dragons =same level as= Demon Lords
That is not true, Demon Overlords are almost the same level, they're not the same level as the great six, also, it's Demon Overlords not Demon Lords.
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cookie
Adventuring Hero
*cookie magic*
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posted April 25, 2007 09:54 PM |
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Demon Overlord = Sovereign?
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Lich_King
Honorable
Supreme Hero
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posted April 26, 2007 12:26 AM |
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Though Dragons might not be Faceless, if you see, each elemental dragon has it's living, or elemental offshot. For example, Dwarven diety is Arkath the Dragon of Fire, Lava Dragon is present, same with Sylvan. So it logically concludes, that Dungeon's dragon is not faceless, but just a manifestation of Malassa (or as they are called her children). Faceless should have been powerful at controling the magics of shadow, as look how they changed the elves into dark elves. Perhaps a handful of faceless still are alive somwhere, though it's not yet clear.
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ChaosDragon
Famous Hero
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posted April 26, 2007 01:11 PM |
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As i said before, each elemental dragons have children and servants.
I'm 100% sure about this.
Why? Malassa, has Faceless as her servant, and Black Dragon as her children, and Black Dragon > Faceless.
The missing children are those of Elrath, Sylrath and Shalassa.
Arkath children are Magma Dragons, his servants: Dwarves
Sylana children are Emerald Dragons, her servants: Elves
Malassa children are Black Dragons, her servants: Faceless
Elrath children are ???? (maybe they're celestial dragons), his servants: Angels
Shalassa children are ???? (maybe leviathans or water dragons), her servants: Naga
Sylrath children are ???? (maybe wind/air/sky dragon), his servant: Human of the East??
Asha children are the great six Elemental Dragons, her servant: All the elder races are also hers, also the dragon knights
Urgash children are the demons, his servant: All of the demons
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Daystar
Honorable
Legendary Hero
Back from the Dead
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posted April 27, 2007 04:42 AM |
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The faceless made a pact with the Dark Elves. That's all we know.
Also, does anyone know if you can kill gods in Heroes V mythos? There's no "make the little sunspot...mortal" potion that I've seen big enough for a dragon. Or do they have a Pandora's Box? How else do you kill gods? because if they are dead it makes sense that they aren't around and Urgash is stuck deep at the center of Ashan.
(Which prove Ashan is round)e
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ChaosDragon
Famous Hero
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posted April 27, 2007 12:57 PM |
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I don't know, and i don't want to make any speculation about that, i suggest that we wait for new info of the past and the future myths of ashan.
But, there is one thing, i predict that Asha awakening is near, from the moon of silvria she will descend to ashan, and something will happen, if order makes her move, so does chaos, the primordial battle will occur once again, and the doom of ashan is near, land, sea, mountain and sky will tremble in their wake, many elder races will die.
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