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Shae_Trielle
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posted October 22, 2001 02:18 PM

What blue screens?

I think you just got a dodgy computer, lmao!

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Lith-Maethor
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posted October 22, 2001 03:46 PM
Edited By: Lith-Maethor on 22 Oct 2001

Shae you are a liar...

...you use WinDO$ and never had the "blue screen of death"? ...no way lass (oops!!!) ...I just don't believe you...

...ok, maybe you are not a liar... but then you don't use your computer... WinDO$ and the "blue screen" can't be set apart...

..LiNUX, is a free (not to mention open-source) Operating System... it is more steady than any M$ OS, it uses your hardware way better and never crashes (NEVER)...
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posted October 22, 2001 04:38 PM

I dislike Microsoft because of their marketing practices.  Their web servers and that .asp snow that only works right in browsers that paid to support their proprietary so-called "standard".  They attempt to throw proprietary things into everything that is supposed to be free.

They also tend to force people to upgrade - in fact, corporate customers have to sign a new contract that forces them to buy upgrades "whether they want them or not" - and those were the exact words.

WinXP and it's pricing scheme is just another them walking over their customers to get more money.

I hope it pushes more people to Linux and OS X.

Anyway, they do write good software - I will not argue that. Lately, their software, especially the Macintosh versions, has been very fast, stable and just plain good. I just don't like their operating systems or their near monopoly status.

If other operating systems did not exist, computer technology would be about 10 years in the past right now.  Competition forces improvement. without the competition, Microsoft would have just sat where they were.

I just woke up. I could write on this better later in the day.
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cerebral_user
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posted October 22, 2001 06:18 PM

MS success explained

Let me tell you all why MS has become so successful. Just like AOL, AT&T, Gateway and many others MS has used the widespread computer illiteracy of people like our dear old Shae to gain a Monopoly. It is precisely that-computer illiteracy. Think about it. Something else that I want to mention is the mind blowing fact that people actually pay hundreds of dollard to learn things as simple as Windows(the OS meant to be easy). I bet monkeys could do better.

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posted October 22, 2001 11:31 PM

A funny story, once an M$ programmer confessed in an interview that no one at M$ actually knows how win98 and later versions work, they simply add new features hoping not to cause problems with older things in the code. Wondering why is it so big and slow?

Btw, have any of you heard about the definition of 'Potentially Viral Software' by M$ ?

I'm getting Linux Mandrake 8.0 soon (I know, it's crap, but I'm a newbie)... Does H3 run on Wine?
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Lith-Maethor
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posted October 22, 2001 11:34 PM
Edited By: Lith-Maethor on 23 Oct 2001

I think H3 runs on WINE... but why don't you buy H3 for LiNUX?

BTW: M$ doesn't let it's programmers use M$ programs, or WinDO$... all the coding is done on SUN... or plain UNIX...

EDIT: I have to agree with the fish... on some issues... (read the following post)
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Frenzie
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posted October 23, 2001 04:48 AM

I whole heartedly agree that linux and unix based systems are far better than windows, but lets face it, its only now the linux is becoming as "user friendly" as windows now.

Drivers are more readily available now than in the past.

BUT its still not as widely available (installed on new machines etc as microsoft products) and therefor not as convenient for the general PC user.
Not everyone really gives a rats bum how well their computer performs, just as long as they can start it, stop it, use a word processor and play some games (and yes i know this can be a problem sometimes in Windows...... im searching the office this very day for a spare harddrive so i can install an operating system besides NT and play games *grin*).

The activation codes are a way that MS is trying to stop software piracy ... I also agree that it is going a little too far, but when you're a capatalist corporation, you're out to make the most amount of dollars you can! It was always going to happen, and perhaps this is the boost that linux and unix needs to boost its popularity!

If you are a windows user then hell, stick to 95/98/NT/2000/ME etc, i personally still have 95 on a laptop at home, never had any issues with it, have no desire to install a bigger and "better" operating system that needs 256k RAM and a p3 to run it!

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posted October 23, 2001 10:11 AM

Lith-Maethor, Haile73...

Are those programs you mention linux wordprocessors or Windows ones? Do they import MSWord files? Do they allow cuting and pasting images, videos, sounds? And what about all the MS wordprocessor features (sections with different number of columns, capital letters, margin control, formule editor, document map, etc.)

I ask all this questions cos I really haven't heard of good wordprocessors, but if they are linux-based and they worth the effort I could consider to install Linux... Wisdom is sometimes the ability to tame your foolish pride and make an opportunity to new ideas.

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haile73
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posted October 23, 2001 11:12 AM
Edited By: haile73 on 23 Oct 2001

TeX has been originally designed to write science (esp. mathematical) reports and is MUCH better than MSWord in that field (I guess I would be in a mental hospital now if I had to use MSWord to write my diploma thesis )

Options like automated table of contents, cross-references, footnotes, optimal space between words and other things Word cannot handle properly are easy to achieve with TeX.

TeX isn't WYSIWYG, so you have to spend some hours to get familiar with it, but believe me, in the end it's worth it.
Embedding of graphics is possible (not perfect, tho.. I think Word could be better here); I don't think that video embedding is possible. So if you want to create multimedia documents, avoid TeX, for everything else: use it!

[edited] Ah, I almost forgot.. TeX can be run under Windows, Linux and Solaris. Probably on every other platform, too

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Sha_Men
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posted October 23, 2001 11:21 AM

For beginner...

Who doesn't know fat crap about computers microsoft software like MSWords is good.

For advanced users...
I recommend something else.

Linux was BTW created by Linus Torvalds, a finnish guy who is now millionaire and lives in California. He wrote most of the Linux code I believe by himself. He says he never wanted really money out of it but he has got himself to software/hardware business through it.

In Finland Microsoft products are almost MUST as most offices use that stuff.

What is funny that in my school I cannot play over 20 minutes of cardgames as the whole computer freezes and it must be booted. Maybe they are trying to tell something with that...I wonder what it is....
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holger
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posted October 23, 2001 01:26 PM

Microsoft has won the OS war so far. Fair enough. They have even succeeded in making an OS which recognizes most of all that junk hardware that is made for the PC.
The problem with old code that messes up the versions of Windows is doublesided; imagine the scream of terror that would sound all over the world if you couldn't play exactly that old dos game or use your 7 year old printer. That would be the case if Microsoft cleaned out. They already did actually. The Win2000 Server Edition is completely clean from patches, drivers and so on. It is made to run servers - and it does - and it performs absolutely fantastic.

Of course that does not help the millions of everyday users who are stuck with a software that doesn't work. But you can't have everything.

The main problem with Microsoft is their abuse of monopoly and their treatment of customers. A small example is the incompability of documents made in newer versions of Word, Excel etc. ; you cannot access them with an older version of the programme.
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Lith-Maethor
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posted October 23, 2001 05:03 PM

actually they don't

handle MSWord files... the whole format is stupid...

...as for the rest.... try StarOffice...

...you can even code using Kate (KDE Advanced Text Editor)...

...nuff said...
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niteshade
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posted October 23, 2001 06:06 PM

Cerebral user,

Actually I never said you were one of the irrational people who is rabidly anti-microsoft and pro anything non microsoft. Of course you do show some sings of that irrationality there....your initial post focused more on insulting them then giving any hard facts and you posted an anti microsoft thread on the heroes4 discusion list for no good reason at all. But I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt.

I'm talking more about people with mac or linux logos tattood on their arms who can't hear the name microsoft or bill gates without going into a rant about how horrible they are, and who will not even consider using one of their pieces of software even if what they are currently using is not compatible with 90% of the things out there. For some reason your post just put me in mind of these people.

Anyway nobody answered my original question about Linux. Last I heard it was very stable but only as long as you didn't try to run any actual commercial software on it. Has this changed?


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Lith-Maethor
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posted October 23, 2001 06:52 PM

LiNUX is stable... period...

...if an installed (commercial) program has problems, it is because of the program itself, not the kernel...

[something about the irrational hatred]

...till last year I wouldn't think of suggesting LiNUX to people... things have changed though... now, almost anyone ("almost" being the keyword) can use LiNUX... they just have to make sure NOT to log in as root unless they HAVE to...
...I still use Win98, but only because I have to... compatibility with others... while my desktop computer is a dual boot system (SuSE LiNUX 7.3/Windows 98 SE) my laptop only has LiNUX... lately, many steps have been made towards game porting for LiNUX... soon, most of our fave games will run on Tux's OS...
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Kruel
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posted October 23, 2001 07:25 PM

I totally agree with Shae.
If you guys don't like microsoft products why don't you just use linux and stop crying like babies. Ho, yes, because then we're gonna hear stuff like "yeah but my games don't work on linux, and i don't know how to configurate them etc.". Everything is said. Maybe windows is not that stable (actually i beleive win2k is pretty stable, never had a problem with it), and maybe linux is, but windows is much easier for most users, it is much more complete talking of the drivers and has many more softwares working on it. So both have their advantages/disadvantages, and if windows doesn't have that much concurrence it's also because doing this kind of product is TOUGH.
It's just like comparing a ferrari and a beetle, one is much faster but also it costs more, and finally the amount of people buying either of these depends on how they evaluate their functionalities.
Of course you would not be very happy if your beetle had "blue screens" and crashed that often, but well cars have been produced for more than 100 years, when OS are just less than 20 years old. Their complexity and the features offered have nothing comparable with any other product in the industry, so it takes time to make them work, and actually i think they're doing better and better.

The activation thing is something else. I understand microsoft as they may be fed up with seeing their products so much hacked. But where is the bad point here from the company point of view ? Which car company would accept to have its brand new cars stolen as they're just out of the factory instead of selling them ? No one. That's just the same for OS i guess. There's tons of people working and getting paid for building these products and it's kinda normal that one should pay to have them. The fact that for years people (among which myself) didn't have to pay for them is not a good excuse for being crying now.
Another thing is that this may not be that good for microsoft. Most students/young people won't ever have the money to spend 500$ in an OS. So what's likely to happen ? They're gonna use other alternatives (read linux). They're gonna get used to it, and when they would have enough money to buy win, they won't because they'll be happy with linux.
So finally this may end up in microsoft losing money instead of the opposite, as most companies already buy their windows licenses they won't gain any money on this front either.

I beleive too that ms pseudo standards etc. are all made to make them more money, but i'm pretty sur that it's finally gonna play against them. Until then i understand completely that common users who've not ever heard anything about what a kernel is and who don't give a **** about it as they just wanna use their computer for mail, office and games keep using windows.
So please stop crying the only rule these companies hear is money rule, if you don't like what they're doing just go for linux and stop this "i don't wanna pay" ****.

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posted October 23, 2001 07:45 PM

...don't know how to tell you this...

...but Windows is NOT an OS...

...DOS is... Windows is somewhat of a "frontend" to DOS... and a badly implemented one... sure, creating an OS, is difficult... BUT the M$ guys are supposed to be pros... LiNUX was developed by geeks for geeks... yes, WinDO$ are more easy to use but more complete? I don't think so... when the installation of WinXX is finished, NONE of the devices is recognised... on the other hand, when a LiNUX distro (SuSE or Mandrake would be my choices) finishes the installation, the system is ready to use...

...bottomline: the only reason for M$ product to be "easier", is that people are used to them... how many of you (WinXX users) actually know, or even care, about how your computer works? a few if any... when someone uses LiNUX (just like myself) he wants to know some basic things... in short... WinDO$, prolong ignorance, LiNUX, helps knowledge...
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Kruel
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posted October 23, 2001 08:03 PM

sorry as well...

...but Win NT, 2000 and XP ARE Operating Systems, they don't have a DOS layer. Talking about knowing how computer works ?
And most people don't care about that. Do you know how your car, microwave or freezer works ? Probably not (good if you do). So maybe you're interested in how computer work and you think that's the way of knowledge, but maybe you can understand that MANY people don't care and just want to use them as tools.
About the rest, though i never had any problem for having any of my 4 computers hardware recognized by win 2k, i must admit that linux different versions are getting better. And I truly hope it keeps going this way, and that more and more people can use it, but till now many of them don't want to have to type command line stuff, recompile kernels or whatever things of this kind.

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posted October 23, 2001 08:14 PM

...quick reply, I like it...

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...but Win NT, 2000 and XP ARE Operating Systems, they don't have a DOS layer. Talking about knowing how computer works ?


just because you can't see it, doesn't mean it isn't there (XP excluded)...

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And most people don't care about that. Do you know how your car, microwave or freezer works ? Probably not (good if you do). So maybe you're interested in how computer work and you think that's the way of knowledge, but maybe you can understand that MANY people don't care and just want to use them as tools.


true, but I said theat LiNUX helps you learn, not requires you to...

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About the rest, though i never had any problem for having any of my 4 computers hardware recognized by win 2k, i must admit that linux different versions are getting better.


...read more carefully please... I said after the installation, NOT after all the drivers are installed from myriads of CDs..

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And I truly hope it keeps going this way, and that more and more people can use it, but till now many of them don't want to have to type command line stuff, recompile kernels or whatever things of this kind.


amen to that... BTW: you don't "have" to do all that... it's just fun to do them... at least for me...
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posted October 23, 2001 08:25 PM

"...if an installed (commercial) program has problems, it is because of the program itself, not the kernel... "

So are you saying then that any commercial program that runs properly on windows runs properly on linux as well? Or are you saying that they don't run properly but that it is there own fault for not designing their programs to run with linux?

BTW, I'm fairly certain that only windows 3.1 was just a front end for DOS. 95 and up were their own OS. Or at least that's what I learned at the time.

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posted October 23, 2001 08:30 PM

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So are you saying then that any commercial program that runs properly on windows runs properly on linux as well? Or are you saying that they don't run properly but that it is there own fault for not designing their programs to run with linux?


no... I'm only saying that the kernel itselfis stable... WinDO$ programs can only run under WINE (not all of them)...

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I'm fairly certain that only windows 3.1 was just a front end for DOS. 95 and up were their own OS.


good one...
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