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Dark_Hunter7
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Order, mages, lords, the RULE
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posted October 23, 2001 06:15 AM |
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from imature to poet like... hmm wierd post when i found myself reading it after wri
{{{(holds razor X shoulder to shoulder, weeping) those, those, razor X, were the days (grabs kleenex and continues) yes well now its different, the new wave, the newa age, the new geneeration of HC, although Val continues to be the same arbiter, the same......thing that watches and hovers over the community. reminds me of Torment olanescape, and the lady of pain, but Val is more gentile, although as stern...... ahh well... things come and go, afterall, HC would be boring if it were always the same, but this new wave that swept in quite quickly with the new ppl was the main reason for my absense here at the comunity. But maybe we, the elders can bring back the old HC as the pluto revolves around the sun, slowly, and with shifting distances to warmth that is the Closeness of HC members. my little metaphor}}}
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Shae_Trielle
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Famous Hero
of Heroes
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posted October 23, 2001 11:43 AM |
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Oldies?! Poor quality newbies?!
Wow, I didn't know you guys felt like this! What on earth have you turned into? Trees? Feet rooted in the past?
You make me laugh when you call yourself oldies. LOL you guys have only been here for a mere handful of months. Yes back in late March, early April. What's that? 8 or 9 months? Oh you've got a couple of hundred posts too. Impressive. I can see that you've never been to some real fully fledged forums where people have post counts up in the 4-5000 mark. And they've been posting on the forum for YEARS.
Sometimes I feel old too (in comparison with the newer posters) and I do remember the days of HC when it was smaller and more... passionate. But to run around proclaiming how old you are and dismissing the efforts of new and fresh posters as not being up to your own high and mighty standard is just garbage! To talk about segregating our Community in this way is just so OFF that it makes me sick. The new posters have been great and every single one, I welcome with open arms. I never peer at them and say 'hmmm, you're not as good as so-and-so was'. That's not true at all.
They just have different opinions and different means of expression. That does not mean that they should be any less respected for their efforts.
HC was in a state of decay a few months ago, but recently, it's been much much better. I for one, don't like threads like WAG, they don't promote 'getting to know' anyone, neither do they promote the game and neither do they promote the Community as a whole. This is supposed to be a discussion forum, not one word games. But apart from this, we're seeing some welcome talk from different people and different ideas. The Library is getting bigger and more people are posting about tactics than ever before. People are spicing up the Tavern with funny conversations and threads which push the envelope in ways I haven't seen since the days of 'Censorship'. The ToH thread is climbing back to it's feet again after the start of the new season.
For every old poster, I can name a new poster who is equally as good. And then some. It's great to see our family grow and welcome new people. It's not so great to see some of us start to feel old and defensive and start to reject the newer people. That's how Communities are torn apart and invariably this leads to fighting.
So far the only people being degenerate here are you guys. Stop whinging and go have some fun, ya old geezers!
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Oh_Smeg
Adventuring Hero
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posted October 23, 2001 01:13 PM |
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OMG...4 red stars...congrats Shae...
...ummmm...as a newbie, I find myself in desperate need of a protector...kind of a Big Sister.
Could you please be my Big Sister Shae?
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Sha_Men
Responsible
Supreme Hero
Jack-Of-No-Trades
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posted October 23, 2001 02:00 PM |
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Few words...
Shaes quality points and especially this one was well deserved. Those thoughts I had also in my mind but she expressed them earlier (and possible more mature way)...
One question to "old" members...
Why you are ranting when instead could post something about HoMM and "that important stuff" and put things rolling?
I haven't seen many of you post any of "oldies" posting nothing interesting lately.
Maybe if you start posting real issues the new posters leave and you can have again little family here. Then you can rant that where all the members have gone.
"Don't ask what community can do to you but what can you do to community"
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Milena
Responsible
Supreme Hero
in supreme disgrace
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posted October 23, 2001 04:49 PM |
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If you ask me,
at this stage the HoMM3 is an old game. I myself have said and posted enough on the topic. Not in this forum maybe, but in general-yes. At some point people start repeating themselves. Like the lurics of songs. How many new and original songs have you heard recently whose lyrics don't have the same corny and tacky topic? Same thing happens here. OK, after 2 years of hectic playing and discussing it, you feel more like PLAYING not TALKING. Ain't this right, my friends.
It's like the MM games. You play, get elated, ask questions, organize trivia but at some point the good questions are so fully and in details discussed that you prefer talking about magic in RL, say.
Of course, when HoMM4 comes out, things will change. They always do. And while we are waiting, why can't we talk? And now, dear elders, if this community doesn't change then, then HoMM series is really degrating. I really feel stunned others feel like it.
So, I think playing is more important than chatting about theory. I play the H3 for several hours every day and I feel happy about it. I just don't think discussing every step of mine is necessary. I would better wait and see a good topic and make a smart and competent point. And meanwhile chat with the other gamers who share my interests and not only the fact we are fans of one and the same game.
This is me, of course. If you don't like my ideas... *sighs* you can always say they are due to my ignorance as a newbie here.
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Oh_Smeg
Adventuring Hero
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posted October 23, 2001 05:05 PM |
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Edited By: RMS on 23 Oct 2001
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Was it worth it Coldfyrius?
You have Milena explaining how she plays the game several hours a day.
You satisfied that gentle Milena who never has an unkind word to say about anyone, feels compelled to justify having a bit of fun, indulging a few fantasies and laughing with friends on the off-topic forum.
You satisfied?
What is your problem?
You so obsessed with HMM3 and medals and little red starts and strategies for the game, seeing a few people not obsessed with it upsets you?
Who the **** gave that load of ***** ********* a quality point anyway? Is this obsession with HMM3 and strategies and medals compulsory around here?
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Milena
Responsible
Supreme Hero
in supreme disgrace
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posted October 23, 2001 05:33 PM |
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Smeg...
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You so obsessed with HMM3 and medals and little red starts and strategies for the game, seeing a few people not obsessed with it upsets you?
Who the hell gave that load of horse droppings a quality point anyway? Is this obsession with HMM3 and strategies and medals compulsory around here?
There are 2 kind of people/fans I think. They are both addicted but the first group admits its addiction while the second one ignores it. I belong to the second group. I like chatting in general and praying to the heroes god for several hours. Some, however, belong to the first group. They dwell on talking about the game. And see, we have a clash. So think this is OK, others- it's sacrilege.It's a matter of perspective.
However, as the game gets older, more and more people join the HAA and prefer getting to know the other nuts. Of course, some people don't change like that and feel abandoned in a way. I don't see why people who have similar interests and a game in common should not spend their time talking about what is up to them. This is how newbies turn into elders. I'm still a newbie, of course, though my 4 stars are supposed to go to an elder. And I believe that if I didn't talk so much on off-topic stuff, most would still raise their eyebrows when they see my name.
Of course, I can't ask others to tolerate me if I don't tolerate them. I can understand other people's pain that this place is changing but I would ask them to look at the postive, not from the negative side. People are here to have fun and I am trying to have mine. As far as I'm not hurting anyone's feelings, I think this is OK.
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RMS
Responsible
Legendary Hero
-ing yummy foods
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posted October 23, 2001 09:13 PM |
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*Sir Dunco, you shall be awarded a "red star" once you deserve it  *
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Valeriy
Mage of the Land
Naughty, Naughty Valeriy
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posted October 23, 2001 10:35 PM |
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Quality Bonuses are not only given for the quality of the posts, but I guess in first post of this thread it was given for the intention behind the post (I didn't give that one).
To people complaining that they don't get QPs, if you make a whining post, how do you think it affects moderator's impression of your quality? And another one, do you remember people with high QPs ever asking for them? Conclusion is up to you.
People going on about the old ways and glorious times and things like that, have a look at what HC was: http://heroes.community.everyone.net/ and you'll remember having 5 new posts per day, well 30 max. You might also remember all the abusive users who whined all day long and how we had no way of banning them. You might also remember that TOH players have left the old community because 75% of new posts were useless and annoying whining. The altar contained 200 good posts max, it didn't ever get to having 500 posts in total...
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Be an example of what you want to see on HC and in the world.
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Hexa
Responsible
Legendary Hero
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posted October 23, 2001 10:51 PM |
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Cold...Don't agree with you on your point that HC is in a pathectic state. I for one like some mindless chit chat once every so often (okay more often than not  ),but still I think Oldtimer has got a point there with that HOMMIV release date.
You on the other hand made a good point about the overall quality of maps. A lot of maps poor down to the same old same old ... their isn't much diversity let alone chalenge...or there just plain borring.
Don Gio - made a good point too ... I for one have been reading up on a lot of old threads and much has already been said in previous threads.
Ain't much sense in posting stuff like:
"Yes [fill in heroe name] I agree with you on that because .....
UnkaHaakon ... The moderator status has done you some good ... nice reply indeed.
Shae_Trielle: I think you'd be surpriced at how many people out here are still playing HOMM. For me HC has been the reason I've Reinstalled HOMM
Frenzie: made a comment about playing in ToH.
Well thats the reason I don't play online. I hate the idea of getting 'suckerd' in a game just because I haven't played it a zillion times.
For al those 'older members' QUIT WHINING.
You shouldn't mown so loud. The newbies (which I'm sure you think of me too) will come into serious action once HOMMIV hits the shelves.
Some like it hot and some don't.
Pehaps you should just let people post what the wanna post or apply strict rules about posting stuff off-topic.
I think HC ROCKS big time because Valery doesn't do this.
HC wouldn't be such a great place if people would only talk about HOMM.
I for one like meeting people which at least share one interest. Its nice to talk about HOMM ofcourse...but its also great to just 'hang' around and chat for a while or disscus musical favourites/best books/afterlive or have a Heineken or two in the Tavern (which I'm doing just now...so if this post doen't make to much sense...just blame Heineken).
This will probably be the last time I write such a lenghty email. This is bad for my HC reputation as a short nonsense poster....
Just enjoy the ride or get off till HOMMIV arrives.
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Hexa
Responsible
Legendary Hero
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posted October 23, 2001 10:54 PM |
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And Shae....WAG is a well respected Pshyco tool.
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Milena
Responsible
Supreme Hero
in supreme disgrace
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posted October 23, 2001 11:38 PM |
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Hexa
you rock, man!Quote:
Frenzie: made a comment about playing in ToH.
Well thats the reason I don't play online. I hate the idea of getting 'suckerd' in a game just because I haven't played it a zillion times.
Right, Hexa! That was well-said. My hit my point here.
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Milena
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Hexa
Responsible
Legendary Hero
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posted October 23, 2001 11:46 PM |
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Blushes insainly for his age!
ehhh
welll
thnkx
eeeh ain't it a nice weather (its 23:53 here for those of you that didn't get the joke)!@
LOL
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RMS
Responsible
Legendary Hero
-ing yummy foods
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posted October 24, 2001 12:23 AM |
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*Sir Dunco, I'm sorry for once again giving you the wrong impression, but I never once said that all your posts contained were foolishery...all I said is that you will get what's coming to you if what you have posted deserves such merit...I myself I have apparently not gotten to the main part yet where you have made all your discussions...however, if I remember correctly, most of the quality ones do not exist in my domain...if I come accross one however, I assure you, as to everyone else you will all be awarded accordingly...
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Shae_Trielle
Honorable
Famous Hero
of Heroes
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posted October 24, 2001 12:57 AM |
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So at last we start to get to the real heart of the matter! LOOOOL!
Firstly, like I said before, there is no longer any sort of 'degeneration' in HC. In my opinion, it's all in your minds.
Secondly, I knew someone would start on quality points in this thread. It was only a matter of time. Red stars are what? A different colour than the yellow ones in my opinion. They don't really do anything for my reputation and they sure as hell don't instill instant respect from people all over the board. I gotta earn that respect from you. I don't expect it to come from a few little red pixels on the screen. Don't go out there and deliberately try to get qps. Wait for them. They will come.
It's inevitable.
Thirdly, ToH is a huge tournament, and a very sucessful one too. You guys come here, read a few posts on the ToH forum and download a few maps and then decide that you know all about ToH that there is to know. ToH is not an easy tournament. It's bloody hard to climb up the ladder! But Ves has created something that has got appeal for a lot of people. Especially HoMM addicts. You don't like ToH maps? Then play a random one silly! Or better yet, go and make one of your own and have it playtested at ToH. There are stacks of maps to play, some resource rich, others not so resource rich. You claim not to like rich, closed maps then pray tell us what maps do you like?
Stop whinging about ToH and stop whinging about quality points. If those two things are your only hang ups about this forum then it seems to me like this board is in pretty good shape!
*smile*
PS: I'll be your big sister okay Smeg? Step outta line and I'll be the first to slap you one! LMAO!
<======silly shae!
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Coldfyrius
Promising
Famous Hero
Vice-God for Marketing
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posted October 24, 2001 03:48 AM |
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Edited By: RMS on 23 Oct 2001
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You have Milena explaining how she plays the game several hours a day.
I envy her. I simply don't have the time for that, what with my 3-hour-round-trip commute to school, homework, cello practice, etc.
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You satisfied that gentle Milena who never has an unkind word to say about anyone, feels compelled to justify having a bit of fun, indulging a few fantasies and laughing with friends on the off-topic forum.
OK. When the hell did I say anything bad about Milena? When? I like Milena. She's a nice person. I just said that off-topic isn't the point of this board, and off-topic stuff should be minimalized. What's wong with IMs?
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You satisfied?
What is your problem?
You so obsessed with HMM3 and medals and little red starts and strategies for the game, seeing a few people not obsessed with it upsets you?
Number one, I've been lobbying AGAINST stars of all sorts for a long time, from when I was a newbie with 15 posts and continuing now. Number two, I don't care whether people are obsessed. I'm just saying that this board doesn't need posts that aren't related to HOMM, and people who post off-tpoic aren't really contributing.
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Who the **** gave that load of ***** ********* a quality point anyway? Is this obsession with HMM3 and strategies and medals compulsory around here?
See above. I have made several petitions to eliminate rankings here. You can look them up if you want to.
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RMS
Responsible
Legendary Hero
-ing yummy foods
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posted October 24, 2001 04:14 AM |
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Oh, Smeg! How could you?? ...hmm, I can't believe I didn't notice it earlier, but the way you made those remarks, was in direct violation of the code of conduct, I do believe. I apologize, but you must find another way to express yourself more convincingly. At least its nice to see that you for one care little about stars.
However, who do you believe it was that awarded him the star? There are only three people here that can do that, and I'm surprised you actually asked it. Well, I gues you were taking the chance it wasn't Val, but as rogue hasn't been around, I would doubt it was him. So therefore, I would have come to a conclusion that it was I who gave it to him. I know that he could care less about it, but as long as heanyone doesn't ask it to be removed, I wil make no such attempt to do so.
...please take more time to develop your thoughts next time...
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rogue
Promising
Famous Hero
Prosecutors Will Be Shoplifted
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posted October 24, 2001 07:54 AM |
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I'd just like to say that I agree with Shae's last two posts.
And everywhere I go, people are looking to get back to "the good old days" and they are too blind to realize that they're living good days that they'll eventually look back on as "good old days" like the others.
I mean, you're all obviously enjoying this forum, or you wouldn't still be coming here, so obviously nothing is wrong.
Sure, some people don't like WAG - I know I don't, but others do. Sure, the tavern's been a bit unusual lately, but it's the people here making it what it is. If anyone seriously has a problem with the existing threads, start a new one that talks about whatever it is you want to talk about.
This forum's fine, and that's why I still work here as a moderator. The people here are good, and there's a nice variety of things being discussed here.
anyway, I really should get to sleep.
good night everybody.
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thunderknight
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted October 24, 2001 08:24 AM |
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My view
HC is degenerating ?? NO
HC is evolving ?? YES
As I can recall, HC several months ago was ¡§more homm related¡¨. Why ?
Coz there are still a lot to talk about homm strategies as the new patches and expansion packs came out. So, there are never lack of discussions in the Library.
Coz h4 is still a sort of ¡§mystery¡¨ that time and there is more room for our imagination. So you can see a lot of thoughts about new towns, creatures, specialties etc etc in Altar.
Then it came the time some members began to ¡§compete¡¨ for something e.g. yellow stars and filled the board up with ¡§undesirable¡¨ posts or simply ¡§craps¡¨. I won¡¦t say that's the ¡§Dark Age¡¨ of HC, but I don't like it and find HC less enjoyable that time. Maybe it is a means of communication as well, maybe it is my problem being too sensitive and afraid of personal confrontation. But anyway, I just don¡¦t like that.
Recently I also notice that there are a lot of new and interesting members coming into HC. (though I don¡¦t want to admit, but I am quite ¡§old¡¨ here ). With more and more information about h4 revealed, discussion in Altar has changed to analysis of the ¡§known facts¡¨. I am impressed by some HC members, especially those ¡§newbie¡¨(no offense ) e.g. Preserver and Djive and etc. They not only got quite comprehensive h4 information, they also spend their time and effort to analyze it and present what they find or think in a ¡§readable¡¨ manner for those ¡§lazy¡¨ HC members like me. So, I think they definitely deserve a QP for what they have done.
The Library has got some changes as well. It seems some members e.g. Oldtimer has tried to make the Library more ¡§user friendly¡¨ by making categorized threads like the ¡§well-known¡¨ anatomy series, ooop, should I say ¡§Disecting ¡K..¡¨ series and the strategies by creature level.
As for TOH, I know too little about it for me to say anything.
Tavern is also good for you to got some interesting and relaxed topics. Though I also love homm as much as all of you do, sometimes you just don¡¦t want to talk about it.....for a moment.
Last but not least, I also see the moderators and Val have done a lot to improve HC. (I should get a QP for this sentence, hahaha....... ) Be it some ¡§drastic¡¨ and controversial change like introduction of red star, or some minor addition like e-mail notification system and new member profile page, all these make HC more ¡§smooth¡¨ and a better place to hang around.
Anyway, try to have fun here. Then you will find that it IS a fun place.
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Milena
Responsible
Supreme Hero
in supreme disgrace
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posted October 24, 2001 09:00 AM |
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Well...
I don't get one thing. Two, actually. If you don't like this place, why should you come every day and talk on the forums? And second, if you don't like the topics, why don't you start topics you like? I think that if Cold is not happy that people are talking "offtopic" he should make an effort to retrieve the tradition himself by posting ontip ONLY. I haven't had such observations.
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