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The_Blue_Camel
Adventuring Hero
Bearer of the Mighty Camelnor
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posted October 22, 2001 06:31 PM |
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you guys do know this, RIGHT???
After many had seemed to be unclear on whether titan is a shooter or not, whether imps fly or not, etc... this should help you.
it is a known fact that 3do said that both creatures of the same level in a town CANNOT be the same type... which means that if L4 creature A is a walker, then L4 creature B either has to be a shooter, flyer, or teleporter, and NOT a walker.
THEREFORE, titan must be a shooter, since dragon golem is a walker. titan cannot be a walker, because dragon golem is a walker. and i doubt titans will fly, lol.
since the L1 for necropolis will be imps/skeletons, imps/zombies, or imps/mummies, or maybe even imps/cerberi... we know that imps WILL DEFINITELY be one of the L1's, and that the other L1 will be a walker.
THEREFORE, we can deduct from this information that the imp HAS TO BE A FLYER, since all the other L1 necro possibilities are walkers.
also, i assumed that fairie dragon would be flyer, like in h3... but apparently not, since pheonix, its counterpart is gonna be a flyer! that surprised me...
using this knowledge, you can figure out what kind of creature almost everything is.
hope this clears things up...
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niteshade
Known Hero
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posted October 22, 2001 07:02 PM |
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"it is a known fact that 3do said that both creatures of the same level in a town CANNOT be the same type... which means that if L4 creature A is a walker, then L4 creature B either has to be a shooter, flyer, or teleporter, and NOT a walker. "
Is this really a known fact? I thought it was more of a popular theory. Do you have a reference to where the fact was first stated by 3do?
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Dajek
Known Hero
Psychedelic Knight
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posted October 22, 2001 07:44 PM |
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Yeah, `I havent heard it before...
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David_Ryan
Adventuring Hero
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posted October 22, 2001 08:14 PM |
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This is news
I had no idea about it but it makes sense.
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niteshade
Known Hero
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posted October 22, 2001 08:31 PM |
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It does make sense, and I strongly suspect that it will be the case. However last I heard it was not an actual official rule that 3do has stated, more speculation on the part of the people here.
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The_Blue_Camel
Adventuring Hero
Bearer of the Mighty Camelnor
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posted October 23, 2001 12:29 AM |
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i am dead positive this is right...
though i dont remember where i saw it, i remember it clearly stating this.
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RMS
Responsible
Legendary Hero
-ing yummy foods
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posted October 23, 2001 03:33 AM |
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When the blue camel is right, he is right. 
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Xenophanes
Promising
Famous Hero
Chief Consul to Queen Mutare
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posted October 23, 2001 05:45 AM |
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I hears ya'll
I hear you loud and clear, TBL. But, It really doesn't make sense that Phoenixes or Faerie Dragons wouldn't fly. Perhaps there are a few exceptions?
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thunderknight
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted October 23, 2001 06:16 AM |
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Ya, I also recall that I read somewhere (forget where) NWC guys say that creatures at the same lv cannot be the same type. But maybe they change their mind later, who knows.
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also, i assumed that fairie dragon would be flyer, like in h3... but apparently not, since pheonix, its counterpart is gonna be a flyer! that surprised me...
My view:-
How about h4 fairie dragon is some sort of "relatives" (maybe sister ??) of h3 fairie dragon ? just like h3 troll and h2 troll. And so it loses the ability to fly ?
Maybe fairie dragon can't fly coz it spends to much time to "play around" with spells and lose the ability to fly ?
i.e. it is a caster instead of flyer ?
Or maybe fairie dragon is a teleporter instead of flier ? or maybe a sort of "magic shooters" i.e. a ranged unit with magic arrows as its weapon.
There are a lot of possibilities. But any way, fairie dragon will be one of my favorite unit in h4, just like that in h3. 
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Jenova
Famous Hero
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posted October 23, 2001 09:45 AM |
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If it's still called a Titan, then I'm quite sure it will shoot. That's what it has always been, why change it now? Maybe he doesn't need to hold a lightning bolt to throw it.. maybe he summons it from the sky? Maybe they gave him a "spell" too.. Lightning Bolt? Well I can always wish.
If they call him a Giant, then he'll be a walker. But that would be disappointing.
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The_Baal
Hired Hero
The God Of Fire
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posted October 23, 2001 09:48 AM |
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I Agree
I do Agree with you Blue Camel, I always knew that Titan Was a shooter but my friends said he was a walker. So know I have some evidence that Titan is a Shooter.
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Carz
Hired Hero
for taming Dragons
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posted October 23, 2001 10:33 AM |
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Actually, looking at [url=http://www.strategyplanet.com/homm]Celestial Heavens Unleashed[/url], you will see that imps and skeletons are in the same level of the Necropolis town and they both are walkers which means the same type. And then the next level of Necropolis has Cerberus and Mummy, which are both walkers, so are the same type again. Then the level 4 for Necropolis is Devil or Bone Dragon, which are both once again, the same type(Flyer).
The titan is undoubtfully a shooter
Yes and also Phoenix and Faerie Dragon are both flying of Preserve, which makes them the same type.
Lastly, For level 1 at stronghold, both creatures are walkers. Therefore, I have clearly proven The_Blue_Camel wrong unless I have made a mistake.
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Dragons fight, dragons kool, dragons win, dragons rule! (Darn, I'm a vampire...)
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Jenova
Famous Hero
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posted October 23, 2001 05:07 PM |
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If Titan isn't a shooter, then he'll be pretty useless for a Lvl 4 (just can't stand a chance vs the BD).. which leaves you with the alternative of.. (gulp) the Dragon Golem.
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niteshade
Known Hero
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posted October 23, 2001 05:43 PM |
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Well I do remember a review saying that a choice between two creatures will usualy be a choice between a walker and a shooter or a walker and a flyer. But I don't remember 3do ever saying that this will absolutely always be the case with no exceptions. Honestly I think alot of people have just read that theory so many times they are starting to take it as fact.
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Preserver
Promising
Famous Hero
Elemental Druid
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posted October 23, 2001 06:52 PM |
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For the last time Carz.... (said with a big smile)
The town pages of Celestial Heavens Unleashed are NOT updated!
To spoil the surprise, I'm helping angelspit (admin of the site) with the new versions. It's going to look something like this:
Academy
lv1: Halfling (shooter)
lv1: Dwarf (walker)
lv2: Gold Golem (walker)
lv2: Mage (shooter)
lv3: Genie (flyer)
lv3: Naga (walker)
lv4: Titan (shooter)
lv4: Dragon Golem (walker)
Haven
lv1: Squire(walker)
lv1: Archer (shooter)
lv2: Ballista (shooter)
lv2: Pikeman (walker)
lv3: Monk (shooter)
lv3: Cavalry (walker)
lv4: Crusader (walker)
lv4: Angel (flyer)
Preserve
lv1: Sprite (flyer)
lv1: Wolf (walker)
lv2: Elf (shooter)
lv2: White Tiger (walker)
lv3: Mantis or Satyr (flyer or spellcaster)
lv3: Unicorn (walker)
lv4: Faerie Dragon (spellcaster)
lv4: Phoenix (flyer)
Summon: Wolf (walker)
Summon: Waspwort (walker)
Summon: Satyr or Mantis, if not level 3
Asylum
lv1: Orc (shooter)
lv1: Bandit (walker)
lv2: Medusa (shooter)
lv2: Minotaur (walker)
lv3: Efreet (flyer)
lv3: Nightmare (walker)
lv4: Hydra (walker)
lv4: Black Dragon (flyer)
Necropolis
lv1: Zombie (walker)
lv1: Imp (flyer)
lv2: Cerberus (walker)
lv2: Ghost (flyer)
lv3: Vampire (flyer)
lv3: Venom Spawn (shooter)
lv4: Bone Dragon (flyer)
lv4: Devil (teleporter)
Raised: Skeleton (walker)
Stronghold
lv1: Centaur (shooter)
lv1: Berserker (walker)
lv2: Troll (walker)
lv2: (flyer or shooter)
lv3: Ogre Mage (walker)
lv3: Thunderbird (flyer)
lv4: Cyclop (shooter)
lv4: Behemoth (walker)
We're working with structure information/analysis too...
Hope it'll be finished soon...
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Carz
Hired Hero
for taming Dragons
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posted October 24, 2001 12:42 AM |
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Grrr.... sorry I haven't been listening but
[url=http://www.strategyplanet.com/homm]Celestial Heavens Unleashed[/url] looked really popular, updated and organized...
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Dragons fight, dragons kool, dragons win, dragons rule! (Darn, I'm a vampire...)
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Preserver
Promising
Famous Hero
Elemental Druid
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posted October 24, 2001 12:50 AM |
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It is.. And that's why it has to be updated. On most pages all the town stuff is only guessing work.. In fact, my list is also... nothing is really sure untill the game's released...
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The_Blue_Camel
Adventuring Hero
Bearer of the Mighty Camelnor
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posted October 24, 2001 01:17 AM |
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by looking at preserver's list...
which i agree with, you will see that ghost and mummy are different, along w/imp and skeleton.
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The_Blue_Camel
Adventuring Hero
Bearer of the Mighty Camelnor
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posted October 24, 2001 01:35 AM |
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and....
if you look at the rest of the list, you will see that ALL LEVELS of ALL CASTLES obey the rule.
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niteshade
Known Hero
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posted October 24, 2001 06:24 AM |
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Well I'm not saying that the rule is wrong, I'm just saying that I don't believe that the rule was ever officialy stated by 3DO. I think it's mostly just a very logical educated guess on our part.
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