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espen15
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posted June 26, 2008 08:41 PM |
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I love H5 Stronghold, much better then the ugly H3 Stronghold.
But of course there are stuff i miss from H3 Stronghold too.
And i think it was great that the Orcs became brown and cool instead of green, unorginal and ugly like all other fantasy games.
But i didnt like how there story was ripped of Warcrarft (again) with demon blood etc...
Goblins
I just love them. They bring humor to Stronghold and look like on of old my classmates. I like these more then the ugly unorginal green goblins.
Centaur
Not as ugly and weird as H4 Centaurs. I think Centaurs fit more with Sylvan. They are very cool and good in Stronghold too.
But i think it would be better if they had Trolls there.
I liked Wolf Riders more because they are awesome.
Orc Warrior
I dont like it. Red Non-Warcraft orcs are ugly and not cool. They look completly retarded. Werewolfs would be much cooler!
They were about the same level as the H3 Orcs.
Shaman
I love them but the un-upgraded version is much cooler and hotter then the upgraded. And i think it would make more sense to replace them with Chieftans since magic is rare in Stronghold.
But they are much better then Ogres who are ugly.
Cheiftans
I love them, they are so cool! But the red version is again ugly. If they renamed them Ogres i would be much happier but kept there brown beutiful colors. However i thougt that the Roc was awesome and would be much better then these. Thunderbirds were the most beutiful creatures ever. Bring them back in avian town please!
Wyvern
I think these are cool, but not the green one. The green one just looks foul and ugly. Pao-kais are awesome and Blizzard is ripping them off in WotLK expansion. They are on the same level as old Cyclops. The Cyclop Kings were awesome but so is the Pao-kai.
Cyclop
Finally Cyclops. Huge but ugly but i still love them in combat. However the upgraded one with a necklace is so ugly and they look mindless when they were intellignet blacksmiths in Greek mythology.
These are very cool but very ugly.
I like the H3 Behemoths just as much. In H4 the Behemoths looked like monkeys. Also i liked the H3 death animation, when they transformed into brown sugar when they died.
Summary: H3 Stronghold was just as good as H5 Stronghold if you look at the creatures. But in all other levels the H5 Stronghold is better. H4 Stronghold sucked - but everything there sucked...'
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in warcraft when orcs were infused with demon blood was one moment when orcs were strong otherwise
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phoenixreborn
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posted June 26, 2008 09:39 PM |
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Actually H4 stronghold was pretty cool. It had behemoths. But I like the h5 cyclop too.
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Elvin 
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posted June 26, 2008 10:23 PM |
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H4 behemoths sucked, only thing I liked about might was the nomads, cyclopes and breeding pens.
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xerox
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posted June 27, 2008 12:02 AM |
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Edited by xerox at 01:30, 27 Jun 2008.
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Yes i think H4 sucked, its my opinion and cant see how people liked its Behemoth. It looked like a huge monkey.
I think green orcs are unorginal (Warcraft GREEN orcs too) because every single fantasy game uses green orcs!
Brown orcs are much cooler.
I think all green Goblins & Orcs are unorginal - Warcrafts too.
And know your lore - Orcs was corrupted by demon blood for many years. Its quite obvious that Unbisoft got inspired from the Warcraft "orc with demon blood" thing.
EDIT: Brown orcs are hot and cute.
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Elvin
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posted June 27, 2008 01:19 AM |
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Who cares brown orcs are ugly, period 
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espen15
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posted June 28, 2008 11:17 AM |
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both green and brown orcs are ugly
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Lexxan
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posted June 28, 2008 11:43 AM |
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yeah ,but I doubt that Orcs are meant to be cute and harmless. HELLO ! We're talking about Orcs remember ? They must be army-killers rather than Lady-killers. Nival did a good job on the Orcs though, as I can remember, the H5 Orcs are the best looking in the whole series. That doesn't mean that they're pretty, it means that they look like they are meant to look like: dangerous, aggressive, lethal and somewhat brainless.
Goblins look and move like the owards they're supposed to be, and the Wyverns simply look menacing. I personally beleive that the Cyclops looks to dumbish in H5, but it still works extremely well.
Shamans are the most beautiufull creatures in the game, but they still look very dangerous and bossy (as they should be).
the whole H5 Stronghold is extremely good, I personally think that it's the town creates the best atmosphere, and that includes Haven and Sylvan.
Nival did a good job here, and I must say that Stronghold is one of the best designed and overthought towns in the game.
As you can see, I'm rather satisfied with it 
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espen15
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posted June 28, 2008 11:54 AM |
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yeah ,but I doubt that Orcs are meant to be cute and harmless. HELLO ! We're talking about Orcs remember ? They must be army-killers rather than Lady-killers. Nival did a good job on the Orcs though, as I can remember, the H5 Orcs are the best looking in the whole series. That doesn't mean that they're pretty, it means that they look like they are meant to look like: dangerous, aggressive, lethal and somewhat brainless.
Goblins look and move like the owards they're supposed to be, and the Wyverns simply look menacing. I personally beleive that the Cyclops looks to dumbish in H5, but it still works extremely well.
Shamans are the most beautiufull creatures in the game, but they still look very dangerous and bossy (as they should be).
the whole H5 Stronghold is extremely good, I personally think that it's the town creates the best atmosphere, and that includes Haven and Sylvan.
Nival did a good job here, and I must say that Stronghold is one of the best designed and overthought towns in the game.
As you can see, I'm rather satisfied with it
but i am not and sure about that some earth daughters aren´t beatiful. ha ha orcs are weak and hardly worth an effort.
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Lexxan
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posted June 28, 2008 12:03 PM |
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Weak and hardy worth the effort ???
Epsen, I'm appalled by this. 
You forgot the most fundamental part of Stronghold strategy: BLOOD RAGE !!! Blood Rage boost the Orcs statts enormously, and yes, let the Orcs be weak statistically, because with Blood Rage, they'll be very, VERY strong and kick you army's @$$.
And you must have meant Sky Daughter: they're ugly 
(But I was talking about the unupgraded Shamans, they're sweet "femmes fatales")
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Isabel
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posted June 28, 2008 04:12 PM |
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Edited by Isabel at 16:13, 28 Jun 2008.
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You forgot the most fundamental part of Stronghold strategy: BLOOD RAGE !!! Blood Rage boost the Orcs statts enormously, and yes, let the Orcs be weak statistically, because with Blood Rage, they'll be very, VERY strong and kick you army's @$$.
Agree. Orcs might look weak as barbarians can't use magic, but Blood Rage makes them extremely durable and powerful 
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(But I was talking about the unupgraded Shamans, they're sweet "femmes fatales")
Shaman... looks better than the "daughters", but still ugly. Compare them with sprites and angels
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Mytical
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posted June 29, 2008 09:59 AM |
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Edited by Mytical at 10:02, 29 Jun 2008.
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I am not sure why, maybe it is their simplicity, but for some reason my Stronghold game is WAY above my skill with other towns. Just ask phoenixreborn. I understand their creature strengths and weaknesses better, their skillset better, and their heroes specials better. Still working on how to build the buildings properly tho .
When it comes to other towns, I seem to have a rough time of it and suffer way too many losses. H5 stronghold for me is heads above the rest, including better then any other version of stronghold.
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Elvin
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posted June 29, 2008 10:03 AM |
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That's because a flaming ballista owns all
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Mytical
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posted June 29, 2008 10:04 AM |
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Pfft I am just as happy with Kraugh and stunning blow.
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Elvin
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posted June 29, 2008 10:14 AM |
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Try Gorshak if you want a more balanced starting hero  For the record Haggash, Kragh and Telsek are the top creeping heroes.
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winterfate
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posted June 29, 2008 10:18 AM |
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After having played a few games with the H5 Stronghold, I must say that I'm impressed. Blood Rage is a pretty interesting concept, and I give props to Nival for making it up.
Here's what I think of each unit.
Chieftains are so much fun. You can whip your own units into a frenzy (well, a jump in the ATB bar, but how I wrote it sounds cooler. ).
Earth Daughters are pretty neat too, and unupgraded Shamans are nice eye candy as well. 
Sacrificing Goblins is kinda harsh, but strangely satisfying as well...
Unupgraded Goblins are pretty useless. For the first few turns, I creep with Centaurs/Ballista only (especially easy with Haggash). Once I upgrade the treacherous critters, I use them actively in battle.
I can never seem to keep Warriors alive...
Not a fan of Wyverns myself (no Blood Rage ).
Cyclops are just awesome. What else can I say? They eat Goblins ( ) to heal themselves and can throw them to deal ranged damage (albeit 1/2 normal damage if I recall correctly).
I still consider myself a Stronghold newbie (more of a Sylvan/Haven player myself), but they have lots of potential.
I'm thinking Battle Elation with 5 morale must be awesome, but I don't like taking Leadership with my heroes (unless I'm Haven).
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Mytical
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posted June 29, 2008 10:21 AM |
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Edited by Mytical at 10:23, 29 Jun 2008.
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Couple of things Winter. Use single stacks of goblins while creeping. You loose only a few, and the extra blood rage is very helpful (you get it when a stack dies). Also they can block your centaurs from all but casters and range (they can rush range to block those too ).
Edit: Don't forget you can get a morale boost from Rallying Cry. I have had over 10 Morale before . Battle elation is awesome then
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Thanatos
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posted June 29, 2008 10:25 AM |
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Leadership is great with stronghold. You can attack more often, which means you can get bloodrage faster. Battle elation and aura of speed are great perks to have for stronghold. Last but not least, leadership and battle elation lead to retribution, which is also awesome to have with stronghold since it gives a big boost to their already great damage potential.
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winterfate
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posted June 29, 2008 10:33 AM |
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Thanks for the tips guys!
Didn't think about the single goblin strategy, actually.
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WarLore
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posted June 29, 2008 11:15 AM |
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Edited by WarLore at 11:18, 29 Jun 2008.
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i personally like really much H5 stronghold.Bloodrage is simply great and it is only key to survive with stronghold.But i dont like their weaknessess,one is when creatures has low bloodrage(100-150) then fast attacking factions can take them down(haven,sylvan) and other,freaking dark magic,in this option necros doesnt need fear stronghold.Shatter dark helps but even with exp.shatter dark,you cant withstand against necros dark powers with magic spells like:mass weakness,mass slow,mass confusion can broke your game,PM doesnt is only spell wich can do it.
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Mytical
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posted June 29, 2008 11:26 AM |
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Edited by Mytical at 11:28, 29 Jun 2008.
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When facing Necromancers it is absolutely essential to get shatter dark if it shows up. Then just concentrate on maxing it out and getting: Detain Dark, Corrupt Dark, and I 'think' weaken dark (perhaps shrug dark?..can't remember). Don't worry about corrupted soil. Get tactics and aura of speed (the one that gives +1 speed). I don't think fear my roar works on them, so Battle Cry, Rallycry, or Word of the Chief the cyclops. Even if they frenzy you should be ok because they are already on the other side..and PM lasts 1 turn at most.
Even if they cast mass spells Detain makes it a whole action instead of half. Then you can use your shammies to undo any slow on your fastest creatures. Sadly this eats up at least six skill points, but helps a whole lot.
Edit: With Might over magic and the one that reduces the spellpower by 25% any dark spells they cast won't last long. And if they use light spells..you don't have to worry too much about it, just makes things a little more even as your creatures are a bit stronger and faster.
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