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Heroes Community > Library of Enlightenment > Thread: Scout retreats
Thread: Scout retreats
liophy
liophy


Famous Hero
Bulgarian
posted June 13, 2007 04:22 PM

Scout retreats

We all know about this cheat - if you attack with scouts (or any hero, but with scout you lose nothing) nonupgraded monsters, with one upgraded stack, after the retreat the upgraded stack will not be there.

But my question is - is it a cheat? Whats illegal about that? Its not that much of a benefit and it cost money. Unless the map is jebus it will not be used at all.

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angelito
angelito


Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
proud father of a princess
posted June 13, 2007 05:00 PM

Using a game bug is considered a cheat in my eyes.

And the benefit is great. You can always find much money (even from pan boxes). Sacrifying 4 scouts for a total cost of 10k gold (or even cheaper if u found them in prisons) and reducing a pack of strong level 7 monsters by 4 is a great thing. You won't have mass slow, resurrection or a super fast unit all the time in every game. Of course this "tactic" is not needed when playing Castle. But with stronghold for example, where your army is quite slow AND vulnerable in defense, it is a pretty good advantage.
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SAG
SAG


Promising
Supreme Hero
WCL owner
posted June 13, 2007 05:15 PM

it's clear cheat. Even more, even if scout can't retreat and simply dies - still this bug exists. Forbidden in WCL (rule # 9). Actually i think it's ok allow 1 time retreat/death in case if opponent doesn't have Visions spells. Multi-retreat is clear break of rule and may cause warnings/banishing.

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iwannarefresh
iwannarefresh


Hired Hero
newbie
posted June 13, 2007 05:29 PM
Edited by iwannarefresh at 17:33, 13 Jun 2007.

First time heard of this bug. Do you mean that when attack un-upgraded monsters then retreat, 1 of upgraded creature disappear or 1 stack (mean all) upgraded creatures disappear next time? And how they disappear? They turn into un-upgrade or they simply die?
Btw, how can you know it, if opponent use this bug? By autosaver, you can only see your opponent's end turn map. So if he retreat with new heroes from tavern, you cannot figure it out. Am I missing something?

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SAG
SAG


Promising
Supreme Hero
WCL owner
posted June 15, 2007 07:43 AM

when attack un-upgraded monsters then retreat (or die), all upgraded creatures die.
By autosaver, you can see your opponent's tavern heroes, map heroes and money balance. Also you can estimate losses with his current army. Should be suspicious if opponent kills lots Red dragons with 3 angels only. Appearance of upgraded stack inside - depends on map cell only. As i said already in another thread - this bug was fixed in homm3 Tournament Edition, will be introduced soon on WCL. Watch out!

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angelito
angelito


Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
proud father of a princess
posted June 15, 2007 11:28 AM

Quote:
Btw, how can you know it, if opponent use this bug? By autosaver, you can only see your opponent's end turn map. So if he retreat with new heroes from tavern, you cannot figure it out. Am I missing something?
Just keep an eye on your heroes picture bar to the right of the screen. Keep the picture of the bottom hero visible. When opponent "loses" a hero, no matter how (dismiss, die, flee, retreat), u will see your bar "moving" up... If u watch this phenomenon 3 or 4 times in a row on 1 turn, you can be pretty sure there is something wrong..
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pacifist
pacifist


Famous Hero
posted June 15, 2007 11:52 AM

Quote:
when attack un-upgraded monsters then retreat (or die), all upgraded creatures die.
By autosaver, you can see your opponent's tavern heroes, map heroes and money balance. Also you can estimate losses with his current army. Should be suspicious if opponent kills lots Red dragons with 3 angels only. Appearance of upgraded stack inside - depends on map cell only. As i said already in another thread - this bug was fixed in homm3 Tournament Edition, will be introduced soon on WCL. Watch out!


Well, all depends on the hero, hehe A hero with 10 in all stats, basic tactics, expert armorer, expert earth, expert water can kill 20 red dragons(even more but to be sure) with only 3 angels and low-level spells such as shield, stoneskin and cure. Now, he must just find those artifacts to have those high stats but that's another matter . Forcefield spell of course too but he may lack spell points...Horde of cyclops though is hum, much harder

Hope this tournament edition is compatible with SoD and english!
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iwannarefresh
iwannarefresh


Hired Hero
newbie
posted June 17, 2007 02:38 PM

Thank you

Thank you very much for the answers, SAG and Angelito It's clear for me now.

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