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Thread: Alterntive H3,upgrades,mod,lol? [ This thread is 38 pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 6 (7) 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 ]
Cepheus
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posted August 10, 2007 05:15 PM
Edited by Cepheus at 14:12, 05 Mar 2008.

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Well if that's how you'll look at it, the Hydra in the Greek mythology had the body of a dog, but they are slightly different in Heroes


Yeah, sorry, I know what you mean...  It's just that I think Fallen Angels are more interesting.  Not all Fallen Angels are necessarily Devils, by the way... if you've ever played Legacy of Kain, you'll know what I mean (i.e. Raziel)

EDIT:  My God!  A QP!  Thanks so much!

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posted August 10, 2007 05:15 PM
Edited by baklava at 17:16, 10 Aug 2007.

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@bak:yes. I change all heroes except sandro.

Why don't you just copy the ones from Heroes 5...

Anyways, why do you keep only Sandro? Why don't you keep Crag Hack and some other legends too?

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Cheers to Ceph and Edn for their QPs...
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posted August 10, 2007 05:17 PM

i might,actually,i mean I want sandro in the story.
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posted August 10, 2007 05:18 PM

Oh come on, where am I gonna put him? And I thought we agreed on this mod happening in a world different than Erathia Now I'm confused
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posted August 10, 2007 05:20 PM

Thanks Bak  

And the new world thing - that was a suggestion of mine, just so that we don't have to completely alter the history of the Might and Magic series - not much room in there for new all-out-wars, and besides, that stuff's sacred.

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posted August 10, 2007 05:40 PM

Finally, now I don't have that 20 posts on 24 hours (I hope )

Enforcer:

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posted August 10, 2007 05:45 PM

yes you do..i dont ...

yes the enfocer rules.

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posted August 10, 2007 07:37 PM

So EliteKill too busy cant make Enforce , EDN make it right ? How about upg of Champion , who will make it ?

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posted August 11, 2007 03:41 AM

More advancement toward embellishing HoMM3! I am totally inpressed!

Maybe you guys could ask Ubisoft for a contract for making HoMM6.

Come on! You have made a HoMM5: T.o.E. out of the older game engine of HoMM3: S.o.D! Impressive!

By the lax look of Nival's downsize of size, there might not be a HoMM6 after all.

Getting this Mod a.s.a.p. might save the whole series of HoMM.


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posted August 11, 2007 06:30 AM

Enforcer is finished. Antipaladin, I will send it to you when you come on msn.
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posted August 11, 2007 07:39 AM

Oooh sticky thread!
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posted August 11, 2007 08:34 AM

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More advancement toward embellishing HoMM3! I am totally inpressed!

Maybe you guys could ask Ubisoft for a contract for making HoMM6.

Come on! You have made a HoMM5: T.o.E. out of the older game engine of HoMM3: S.o.D! Impressive!

By the lax look of Nival's downsize of size, there might not be a HoMM6 after all.

Getting this Mod a.s.a.p. might save the whole series of HoMM.



ims orry but the h is dead ,h3 is the only reminder of aliveness..ubi is sucks as making heroes games..only nwc..
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posted August 11, 2007 08:39 AM

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ubi is sucks as making heroes games..

Why are we basing an entire faction on the faction from heroes 5 then?

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posted August 11, 2007 08:47 AM

the concept is nice,but by killing the story of mm nwc they lost my affection.
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posted August 11, 2007 02:04 PM
Edited by Cepheus at 16:22, 12 Aug 2007.

Removed for now - don't want to spoil the story for newcomers.  

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posted August 11, 2007 02:56 PM
Edited by baklava at 15:07, 11 Aug 2007.

Well that's basically it, except you put in names and a few M&M elements... :/ It's great anyway. Just one problem, how on Earth are we supposed to explain all that during the campaign? It's gonna be, like, BLOCKS of text in events...
And btw, I'm not into M&M storyline that much; when did the dwarves and elves become separate factions?

And one more thing, if Carden can't defeat an ordinary crusader army, how can he manage to defeat the allied armies of Undead and Demons (in the episode of getting the undead king on his side)? It doesn't make much sense...
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posted August 11, 2007 04:52 PM

Yeah, just thought I'd try and expand on your story a little (or a lot) and try to integrate it into M&M without changing the current story too drastically.  I added a few characters, some old, some new, and added a prelude.  Glad you like it all (I think?).  Change whatever you want, it's just an idea.  Though personally I'd like to see Resurrectra, Caneghem and Crag in the build - they're a long-going bunch, and they link the stories of the two worlds.  There won't be too many blocks of text, it's a strong story, but it can be cut down a little.  We don't need to go into any huge detail, except at major parts like death scenes and the like (Armageddon's Blade style).

Of course, I don't want to stomp all over your story, so if anything's not to your liking, modify it - though I have rational explanations for everything I modified.  As for your question, the Dwarves and Elves of Colony/Enroth never seperated until Heroes IV.  However, the Dwarves and Elves of Ardon have always been two seperate factions.  (Actually there's no mention of Elves in Ardon, I just added those in)

I took a few liberties - the story takes place 300 years after the end of Crusaders, so most of the returning characters such as Drake, Dain, Tor and Azabar are about 300 years older... But that's easily explained.  Dain and Tor are Dwarves, so they can live for hundreds of years, and Azabar's ancient as it is, being a mighty Wizard.  Drake sustains his existence and youth using the Star of Erathia, a powerful life-giving talisman he found during Crusaders.  Also, the Dashers of Duskwood are gone, and have been replaced by the Lizardmen - so, to nit-pickers, use your imagination here.  They probably migrated or left the forest, I dunno.  And Ulmagest, the Empire, Mistvale, Kulvash and the Kreegan Wastes are all new kingdoms - but I suppose that'll happen over 300 years.

Your second question - for that episode, I phrased things specifically - "He overcomes the two armies and eventually reaches the mausoleum".  How he overcomes the armies is up to the mapmaker (i.e. not necessarily through brute force).  By the way, it's the Kreegan Inquisition (humans) and Undead, no Demons here.

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posted August 11, 2007 05:54 PM

the idea is nice,but i hate crusader of mm,it sucked as a game..
i had this in mind:

-the end of the conflict(mm8)(h4 never happend)
-Nicoali ironfist died by old age
-hes hairs died by old age
-4 generations after the ironfists linage stoped with Jerod ironfist it was all peacefull before
-Imanuel tolbertai cheif priest of the kingdom was nominated into holding all religouse powers.
-In a dispute between IT and king jerod IT gets him killed,and blaims hes son,Andrai.
-Andrai escapes the kingdom into the mages territory,still led by gaving magnus and hes (4!!) advisors..ressurctra,robert the wise,shade,who apeard to be lord kilbum and crag hack.
-It takes command of power and starts in crusading the forests
-war between rampart and heaven
-rampart kingdom is shread into 2 with the dwarfs retreating north,taking with them the hobbits, and <insert future dwarfic races>.
-the elfs in last way realise the aicent before the silence war that took on earthia. the war between warlocks and dark elfs,the remaining prisoners of them,besides 1 dark elf,who is the betrayer,they join rampart and rebuild it into sylvan,using there forces and aicent startgys.
-the lock use the dark elf who teachs new kind of magic,and improves there units.
-(with escaton being long off the picture,the elements retreet to there planes conflux's dissapear)
-but the pixies retreat to there forests to protect them.
-the centuours are being extincted by the humanes.the last centour killed date remarks the beginng of new Elvish king,king persian was poisend.
-King ellmaor the fourth rose took the desicion to ally themselfs with the new king of krewold <insert king name here>
-Baracada remains nutural in the battle of sylvan and heaven.
-small portion of elfs retreat to baracada for studying supirior magic.
-kastor ,maximus,and tolberti imanaul(yes the same) rebuild the portals,and led kreegans back in antagrich.
-kastor killed the warlock team and took over,using the dark elf betrayer,kastor as a dark elf himself,convince him to reevel secrats of aicents for big bad magic
-maximus kills the krewold king in dual,and takes over.
-<insert kreegan king name here> strikes dwarfs,lizards ,who ally with sylvan,in the mean while the baracada is pressured by humanes to enter the battle,but sended Andrai to the lizards for protection,a lizard witch told him that he needs to go to a cave for aincets to revive an aicent army.
-andrai doing that revives aicent army of undead troops.from ethric first plays. and by acident realises sandro.
-Andrai offers sandro a deal,unite or die.
-sandro accepts but hides othetr idea.
-baracada disputes coused it to split into 2 camps. one named itself battle mages,the other named itself archmages.
-sandro is leading the undead army faces the Kreegans of new muted times.
-King Ellmaor leading the new sylvan into a battle against the greenskins of krewold,craghack is missing.
-The Archmages aligend themselfs with the battlements of the northen clans to defeat the warlock king kastor,which are allied with the battlemages led by the dark elf in disguise.
-Andrai hes loyalists and the lizards fight tolbertai and hes currpted empire

aftermath:
Gavin magnus died in a self destruct spell that killed both himslf and kastor.
Robert the wise took hesplace.
robert the wise took path of technology and pure sicence over pure ideals,and Baracada,after all was rebuild into Silver desert,and later silver city.
Sylvan deafeat over the greenskins freed craghack out of the prison,maximus had escaped.
Sandro and hes army counqerd the last kreegan base on antagrich.
Tolbertai's disguise was destoryed,and in a clash when he fought andrai he turned into a demon all of the suddeon,the remaing troops of empire saw this abanden the couse and fled,only to be executed later.
Andrai deafeated tolbertai by an artifect called the falcon sword.
tolbertai didnt died,but banished..tolbertai agents live.
The remaing dark elfs overrun the warlocks and populated it,executing all the humanes,and enslaving the minotours.
Andrai changed hes ironfists linage into Falcon Empire.
<insert more bla bla here>

and for braking them,make 5 compagins,and to finish each is 8 maps,that would be around 40 maps ,i think we can do this?

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posted August 11, 2007 07:33 PM

Sorry man, I don't really like it...  I mean, Crusaders may have sucked as a game, but at least it had a decent backstory, and anyway the gameplay is a different issue altogether.  Besides, pretending that Heroes IV didn't happen is just plain silly.  There's no denying the Reckoning - it happened.  That's a fact.  I know you all think Heroes IV had the worst gameplay known to man, but the stories were better and more detailed than any before, even if the world's destruction may not have been a smart move.  And you're bringing back the advisors from Might and Magic, though if Nicolai and friends are long dead, they'd have to be over a hundred years old...  Resurrectra and Kastore I can understand, as they look Elven, but Sir Caneghem and Dark Shade are almost definitely human, and should be long dead.  Then there's the Gavin Magnus thing - he's immortal, so he can't just die by self-destruction.

I am begging you to hear me out.  I respect your storyline.  There's been a fair bit of effort put into it, I can see that.  But Baklava's is stronger, it has detailed characters and, rationally, it can fill up a lot more scenarios than yours.  Please, please trust me.  I know that a lot of people would spit on anything to do with Crusaders of Might and Magic.  But a balanced story is just as important in a campaign as the gameplay.  We could probably make 40 maps out of your story, but the ideas simply wouldn't be the same.  They conflict with the truth in the Might and Magic history.  Besides, the mod features a lot of brand new creatures.  How can we explain in a story the entire armies of Erathia, Nighon, Deyja etc. just came along and sprouted new creatures overnight?  It would be more logical to place the story on a different world where traditions and culture are different.

Please, please trust me.  I know what I'm doing here.

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posted August 11, 2007 07:37 PM

first: all of the advisors come from Xeen if im not mistaken,the're are not humane amnyway,atleast not from antagrich.
i love antargrich too much,but oh well.i have such a nice thing in head,il lagree here but in compegines,the armie of andrai,if we can call him this way,please,is a loyalists and bodyguards of veriouse kinds,that will replace nutural creatures and look new

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