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Consis
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posted March 01, 2009 07:57 PM |
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Lestat,
At the end of it all you are left with one single question:
How can it be that you would physically/geographically remove yourself from your children's lives and live in another state? How can you possibly be there when they score the winning goal in their sports games, congratulate them when they compete in some scholastic test, or be there to help them up off the ground when they get knocked down in defeat?
That's what the children want to know from you. They want to know if you are going to be there for them in person so that they can look you in the eyes and know you saw them trying their best.
This is not a judgment from me, it is an appeal to your humanity. Whether you are homosexual or not, your children need their father closer. For you to pass this class you are taking, you must first raise your hand and be counted present.
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kesnar
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posted March 01, 2009 11:26 PM |
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Edited by kesnar at 23:42, 01 Mar 2009.
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Christianism is anarchism...there are no laws or forbids there is only love...
I am not a christian-anarchist...I consider myself a christian(orthodox but there is really no point in all these) and a man with anarchic opinions...
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mvassilev
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posted March 01, 2009 11:44 PM |
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Christianism is anarchism...there are no laws or forbids there is only love...
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Leviticus and Deuteronomy say otherwise. And not just them.
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kesnar
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posted March 01, 2009 11:51 PM |
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Well not having read these two I can't really say anything to you...
Just one thing...:
Cristianism can be summed up in 3 words:
Love-Freedom-Equality
Anarchism is the same thing
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Wolfman
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posted March 02, 2009 10:47 AM |
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Just one thing...:
Cristianism can be summed up in 3 words:
Love-Freedom-Equality
Anarchism is the same thing
I'm confused. I don't claim to be an avid reader of the Bible, but what about Sadam and Gemorah? I assume I spelled those wrong, and quite frankly don't care. You know what I mean. 
Did God love these people as equally as other people? I would say not. You could spin it and say that because God loved (there's that word again) the world so much, he couldn't stand to see places like these exist and had to wipe them out. I think this spin is a little ridiculous, personally. But what do I know? I'm no Biblical scholar.
I realize that this story is in the Old Testament but I don't think that should matter because it is also included in Christianity. Jews don't have a monopoly on these stories. I mean, heck (figured I shouldn't say hell in this post....whoops, guess I did anyway...) Islam also has these same stories I'm told.
Well, I've kinda lost the point I was trying to make when I hit reply...ah yes, I just don't see how Christianity can be summed up by those words.
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Doomforge
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posted March 02, 2009 10:54 AM |
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_Christianity_ is about Christ' teachings. They were like that.
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Wolfman
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posted March 02, 2009 11:17 AM |
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I would argue that it isn't at all about Christ's teachings, but more about what some power hungry men in Rome and other places early in Christianity's history decided it was about.
In all my research into the early church (I also took a class on it last semester at school) it would seem to me that Christ's teachings sort of fell out of the final faith. Interested men wrote the bible by picking and choosing what went in and what didn't. I don't know, I just feel that is dishonest to the faithful and to history.
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Doomforge
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posted March 02, 2009 11:31 AM |
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There were always power hungry men corrupting things. You won't find the ultimate truth in the Bible, because of that. You have to discover it for yourself.
I also did some research on that stuff, and came to a conclusion that nothing can ultimately make me an atheist because there is an explanation for everything.
I believe in God and I enjoy it.
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Wolfman
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posted March 02, 2009 11:36 AM |
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Edited by Wolfman at 11:36, 02 Mar 2009.
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I wasn't saying you shouldn't. You're free to believe in whatever you want, as am I.
So where would you say you look for the ultimate truth, since the Bible is arguably corrupt?
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Mytical
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posted March 02, 2009 11:48 AM |
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Edited by Mytical at 11:50, 02 Mar 2009.
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Now I do not claim to know the bible inside and out, nor do I follow the christian faith. My understanding of the two cities god destroyed seems to be a bit different then what most people assume. From my understanding he did not destroy them because of homosexuality, but because there was not a single good person left in the city. We are talking places that make Las Vegas look like a city of virtue and wholesomeness. Rape, torture, perhaps even beastiality (which could be the 'strange flesh' they lusted after).
Edit : As to where you can find ultimate truth? Only within yourself. For though I believe there is a 'greater being', I believe that humans are capable of so much greater themselves. The only problem is ego and ID gets in the way.
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Nebdar
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posted March 02, 2009 11:52 AM |
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@Mytical Do we are free will people or God's slaves, so we must do what it wants.
We should be punished in Hell after death not when we are still living on Earth. Where is the free will when God breaks the rules when he wants....
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Mytical
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posted March 02, 2009 12:11 PM |
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I am not sure I understand the question, but I will try to answer it as best I can.
I don't believe in the christian god as it is written in the Bible. However..I do believe there is a justice system in place. On the 'mortal' plane we have a justice system, a very flawed one, but we have one anyhow. So we should just ignore it, do as we please, and not have a justice system at all?
Now the cosmic justice system is not as corrupt (or corruptable) as the earthly system. Also I think the sentences would be harsher then the earthly system, but I do not think it is 'eternal'. Unless you do some seriously sick messed up stuff that is. My firm belief is that after you do your time you get a parole. Now I am not saying that it will be peaches and cream, we are talking some serious hard time here. Maybe not brimstone and fire, but deffinately not sipping champagne and relaxing by a pool either.
So do I think that we should have to follow cosmic rules? Yes. Do I think we are going to suffer fire and brimstone if we dont? Not so much.
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kesnar
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posted March 02, 2009 12:16 PM |
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Well Christianity has many books...But it centers itself at Christ...who just said how beuatifull would be the world if everyone had these three things:
Love-Freedom-Equality
Which is maybe the only true meaning of cristianity
So I find Chrst one of the first Anarchists and I "follow" him not for not to be burned in hell(sigh), but because I like it...
It may be that I am an Orthodox who are a little more liberal I think and that I have meet many liberal priests...but that's what I believe.
And thus the "real" christian is everyone who really have these three word as a main prinsipal...and not the hyocrite that goes to the church every day and prays...
i have them as a principal but i am not always follow my principal...that's bad...for me...
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Mytical
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posted March 02, 2009 12:18 PM |
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I like how you think kesnar, but a lot of faiths have that same underlying principle. A lot of faiths have the same basic beliefs, but man will always twist them to their own agenda.
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Nebdar
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posted March 02, 2009 01:05 PM |
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@Mytical thanks for answer.
I was refering to Sodoma an Ghomora paradox of free will.
Humans have free will to do what they want and after the die(and by death i understand natural death from dieases, wounds,) they will be juged.
But there god punishes the citizens of that cities for living like they have choosen to because god gave them free will.
How we can trust in gods words and rules when god changes them when it fits...
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Doomforge
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posted March 02, 2009 01:08 PM |
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Where's the paradox? I see none. You HAVE free will. You can do whatever you want. You can break the law, you can steal, murder, eat embryos. Whatever you want. No thunderbolt will fry you as a punishment. If that's not free will, I don't know what is it. It's 100% free will.
Do you think it should be left unpunished after the abstract "death"? Where would be the justice, then?
I miss your point here.
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Mytical
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posted March 02, 2009 01:15 PM |
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He also did the Flood, which is worth then both of those combined multiplied by thousands. The offical 'reason' given is that before his son came into the picture God was sort of like a tempormental artist. When things got to far out of hand on his 'creation' he wasn't above changing things or even starting from scratch. After the baby, he sort of mellowed. Thing is I've seen that happen to guys (and gals) before. Be really angry and a child and bam the most mello people you could know.
Heck look at Vegas, if he was gonna rain down the wrath it would have been gone a long time ago  . As I said, I don't follow the faith, even if I do understand it a tad.
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Doomforge
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posted March 02, 2009 01:21 PM |
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It's just a story. Do you see God intervening anywhere nowadays? No? That's because he does not. And he didn't "change" through mere 10k years or whatever, did he?
Of course not. Those are just stories with a moral, and God is used to strengthen their meaning.
That's the whole secret.
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Nebdar
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posted March 02, 2009 01:53 PM |
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Edited by Nebdar at 17:51, 02 Mar 2009.
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@Doomforge i agree with you that we have free will. I was only refering to this two storyies where people had to choose live like you want and die in horrible catastrophy or live like gods want which sound to me like ultimatum
@Mytical Yes as the people change the god is also changing.
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DeadMan
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posted March 02, 2009 03:30 PM |
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Love-Freedom-Equality
Which is maybe the only true meaning of cristianity
Nope. The true meaning of Christianity is Submission-Self-sacrifice-Faith.
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