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Elvin
Elvin


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posted November 09, 2007 12:48 AM

Let it rest, some rpg elements have been used in so many games that it's silly to limit ourselves in a warcraft vs heroes discussion.
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xerox
xerox


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posted November 09, 2007 02:22 PM

Erm... Blizzard has copied nothing from Heroes, its H5 who have copied Blizzard!

65% of everything in H5 (the campaign is 99& is copied from Warcraft 2, 3 or WoW.

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Slim-Sleeper
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posted November 09, 2007 04:59 PM
Edited by Slim-Sleeper at 17:01, 09 Nov 2007.

Hey look! Battlefield 2 and Americas Army is copying eachother! They're using the exact same bangbangsticks! The creatures look all the same too.. Just some ugly limby things with fur only on their heads and sometimes in their strange "faces".. And they have some sort of fabric wrapped around them and sometimes a bucket on their head... and they transport themselves in theese mechanical monsters.. I mean.. Its all been done before!

And yeah! Worldsuperfootballsucker and Fifa uses the same type of players.. I mean.. helloooo! Stop the copycating!


What I mean is... They are NOT copying eachother, they are copying myths.

And myths copied D&D..

EDIT: NICE post by dynastar there! Way tha go!

And yeah.. so what.. you took some ideas wrom somewhere.. change the names, change some minor detail, and viola! A new race has apeared!

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unixmage
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posted November 09, 2007 05:13 PM

Every single unit, every single spell, every single story element in warcraft3 has existed in previous games,stories and mythology.

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xerox
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posted November 09, 2007 05:21 PM
Edited by xerox at 17:23, 09 Nov 2007.

Like?
Blizzard has not copíed any other games when they maked Wc3.


Have you even played it?
And Wc1 and 2 has also existed aswell as some books.
War of the Ancients trilogy came out before wc3 if i remeber right.
All Blizzard games are very good.

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Geny
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What if Elvin was female?
posted November 09, 2007 05:34 PM

Like humans who allied themselves with elves and dwarves to fight orcs and trolls - that was done by Tolkien long before Blizzard existed.

So there, Blizzard is breaking all the possible copyrights and should sued from now untill doomsday.

And before you ask - yes, I played WC1,2,3, although I didn't finish them all.
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xerox
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posted November 09, 2007 06:27 PM

So?
Soembody else would come up with that later anyway, so i dont count that as a copy and all ´fantasy games has that.
And Lotr is a book, those who created the game copied the book

So that was no real copy.
Blizzard didnt copy Tolkien, or that is not counted as all books/fanatsy games did a little bit.

Its not there fault that he maked that book

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Geny
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What if Elvin was female?
posted November 09, 2007 07:00 PM

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or that is not counted as all books/fanatsy games did a little bit.


My point exactly - claiming today that a game copied one specific source is, well, just wrong. Too many things have already been used before that EVERYONE use now.
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Slim-Sleeper
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posted November 10, 2007 09:52 AM

Somebody should lock this thread... Its all been said a hundred times.. everybody is copying!

However, the stuff that its lame to copy is the storyline...

Never played much WC, but in WC 3 TbC there was a human king or emperor that fough the enemy.. undead I think.. He had long blond hair and was very.. rightious and chivlarious..

Dont remember how it happened, but he turned into an undead hero, right?

That sort of... reminds me of.... yeah.. Nikolai?

And in TfT the orcs travle to a new world to fight and kill the deamons.. what's the orcs doing in TotE? Travling to a new world to fight and kill the deamons....

But again.. Somebody should lock this thread... Its all been said a hundred times.. everybody is copying!


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guarder
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posted November 10, 2007 10:21 AM

Yes many are copying, but it may happend that Nival doesn't know about the king that turned undead in Warcraft. And in heroes 5 the undead version dies. didn't warcraft undead king melted together with lich, so they be lich king. And in TotE orcs' main purpose was actualy not to defeat demons, (they didn't know they have comed out of Sheogh before map 3) it was to touch the grave of the first khan, i think
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Cepheus
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posted November 10, 2007 11:12 AM

They did not copy Arthas, they ripped off Nicolas Gryphonheart from Heroes III.  Nicolas is a king who banished the undead from Erathia.  He also led armies against the Kreegans (Demonic creatures).  Then he was killed by poison (and how does Agrael kill Nicolai?  Lo and behold, with a poisoned blade).  After the King of Deyja, Finneas Vilmar, claimed an artifact called the Ring of the Unr... I mean, the Spirit of Opression, he invaded Nicolas's tomb and raised him from the dead as a Lich (though rather than becoming a mindless slave, Nicolas killed Vilmar).  Nicolas then reigned as the Lich King for a few months until finally being destroyed by Catherine, his daughter.

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Elvin
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posted November 10, 2007 11:23 AM

Not much more to say but that quote is just marvellous
Quote:
Yes many are copying, but it may happend that Nival doesn't know about the king that turned undead in Warcraft.

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Daystar
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posted November 10, 2007 04:09 PM

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(and how does Agrael kill Nicolai?  Lo and behold, with a poisoned blade).


I thought he blasted him with magic from that staff thingy...
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Cepheus
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posted November 10, 2007 04:15 PM
Edited by Cepheus at 16:23, 10 Nov 2007.

So did I, until a few seconds later when Nicolai, dying and gasping, said something like "I am beyond even the mercy of the Archangels... foul poisons coursed through the blade..." or whatever.

EDIT: Got the exact text -

Godric:  Rest, my king.  I have called for a healer.

Nicolai:  A healer... too late, I am beyond healers... beyond even the mercy of the Archangels.  No ordinary blade did this.

Godric:  Are you sure?

Nicolai:  I can feel... something... Demon magic... poison.

So there you go.

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MPaBkaTa
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posted November 11, 2007 09:27 AM

Quote:
Did you guys notice this:

Sandro is extremely similar to Teldrassil! Look at this:

An anagram of Teldrassil is Sadrlliets. If you put 'lliets' out and instead put 'n' between 'a' and 'd' and an 'o' at the end, you will get 'Sandro'
And not only that. Teldrassil is a tree, right? And Sandro is a necromancer, so he's into dead stuff. Trees can die too, and become dead.
Also, Sandro was a wizard once, that means he had a staff - made of wood. Teldrassil is also made of wood! A coincidence?

And I think it's quite obvious that Celts copied their mythology from Warcraft.

lol

ROFL!

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knight-champ
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posted December 13, 2007 05:33 AM
Edited by knight-champ at 05:34, 13 Dec 2007.

i think wow and h5 is pretty similer in some ways.strong hold: orcs,trolls. haven:humans. fortress: dwarves. slyvan:night elves??? necropolis:undead....and some skills is pretty much the same.
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roy-algriffin
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posted December 13, 2007 06:00 AM
Edited by roy-algriffin at 06:01, 13 Dec 2007.

I dunno. Wether theyre copying or not its naive to think that this is the only game that supposedly copied warcraft. As soon as a person joins a forum (fantasy based)  they tell him how much like warcraft it is and suddenly hes sure that theyre copying. This happens all the time no matter how dissimilar the games are.
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mlai
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posted December 13, 2007 06:25 AM

It's my impression that HoMM, as a franchise, was never about creating something totally original in terms of archetypes and mythos... in contrast with say... uh... Master of Orion?  The entire point of HoMM was so players could play with a vast assortment of monsters and themes anyone can recognize at a glance: Classic dragons, classic Hollywood monsters, classic Greek monsters, classic AD&D monsters, etc.

And Warcraft, surprise, they do that too, although they're not as blatant so they put artistic spins on their creatures, sometimes to stupid effect.  And that's why the 2 end up with big similarities.

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Daystar
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posted December 13, 2007 01:08 PM

That's true.
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xerox
xerox


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posted December 13, 2007 09:32 PM
Edited by xerox at 21:32, 13 Dec 2007.

I think Nival just plays Warcraft/WOW to much.

Because almost everything looks "cloned".

Nicolai ..., i thougt Arthas was copyrighted.
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