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Azagal
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posted August 21, 2007 07:21 AM |
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Edited by Azagal at 07:29, 21 Aug 2007.
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LOL??! did you actually READ Romeo and Juliet? Romeo doesn't try to ressurect anybody and there is not an entire nation thats going trough civil war just because of him oO!
BESIDES the families of Romeo and Juliet have been fighting for decades (i hope you know that) and first on the grave of their children they swear never to fight again... so my dear friend Romeo may be insanely in love but he NOT as stupid as isabell.
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posted August 21, 2007 01:20 PM |
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Romeo: Killing Tybalt, decidng to commit suicide, killing Paris, Going ALONE into a dark tomb, buying illegal poisons from an Apothocary, going into a party with his enemy, etc.
Izzie: Resurecting her Husband (without being told he would be a Vamp) Wasting time with Realag.
Plus, the Necromancers, Demons, and Humans have been at war for years, but sometimes Necromancers and Humans work together (Ornella and Giovanni)
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Cepheus
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posted August 21, 2007 01:32 PM |
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Now to answer a few of your questions/statements.
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Is heroes 5 storyline even connected with previous series? The only link I found is Cyrus.
How does Cyrus link anything? He wasn't in any previous Might and Magic episodes. Do you mean Nicolai, perhaps?
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instead of axeoth (if you insist) they went for starting a new story.
I use the term Axeoth as it is the name of the most recent Might and Magic world. You can call it Erathia if you like but that is the wrong term.
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but ubival is trying to copy a series from 3DO.
You said it. As I think I've said before, half the story is altered from Heroes III: The Restoration of Erathia.
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I'd prefer something that connects this universe to the old one, something like "Asha is an Ancient, and Urgash is a Kreegan".
I would agree to an extent, but that would go against the whole concept of the Ancients and Kreegans, so that wouldn't really work.
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Also, why does everyone call izzie stupid?
Because that's how Nival have portrayed her, intentional or otherwise.
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LOL??! did you actually READ Romeo and Juliet? etc.
Please, let's not argue over something completely irrelevant. Romeo and Juliet is a Shakesperian novel, not Heroes V.
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Azagal
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posted August 21, 2007 01:50 PM |
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Edited by Azagal at 13:52, 21 Aug 2007.
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I won't continue arguing but please understand that i found it kind of outrageous to compare isabel with romeo... But I would really be interesten in what you would think would be a fitfull story for H6 or how you think it would be apropriate to move the story from Ashan to Axeoth. No big story just like an idea.
Because i don't know what a TYPICAL HoMaM story would be. Or a story that is truthfull (that's not the word but i hope you know what i mean) to the series?
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posted August 21, 2007 02:02 PM |
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Oh it's alright Azagal, I find it a bit absurd too, but Daystar makes a few fine points as well. Anyway, anyone who understands the entire previous stories well knows that it would be very easy to integrate the two stories together. The problem is that it couldn't really be done without bringing sci-fi elements from the previous stories into the equation, a part of Might and Magic which some players, not including myself, want to see the back of for some reason. You'd have to introduce something, like Escaton the Cyborg or whatever, but it could be kept nice and subtle like in Might and Magic. Now I don't say let's abandon Ashan at all, but we can merge the stories of the two worlds into one so that it is apparent that they both take place in the same universe. Maybe a good idea would be one where we finally discover who the Ancients actually are. They land on Ashan in their neverending quest to eliminate the Kreegans (Demons) and join with some of the factions to accomplish this goal. Actually, the Ancients would make a fine new faction for Heroes VI, I think, if Nival actually cared about the previous stories. Typically, the Heroes stories have all taken place in the same universe with Ancients, Kreegans, Creators and other (very subtle) references to space-race factions. Ashan appears to be different in this regard, so there is no continuity there. I could go on and on but this is not the place for a Might and Magic history lesson. Basically, Nival have stood on the old history and I, like many others, would like to see them bring it back in a non-cheesy fashion, if possible.
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Azagal
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posted August 22, 2007 05:47 PM |
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Thank you for clearing that up for me. As I said I'm not familiar with the storys after Restoration of Erathia till H5 so im probably not the one who should be making corrections or somethings. But the itroduction of Sci-fi races like a Cyborg hero... you really got me confused with that one... but as you seem to be very informated about the Might and Magic lore (as one should expect from it's Keeper ) I guess your suggestions make sense.
Could you prehaps tell me were I could find out more about the history of HoMaM because I seem to have a huge gap in my (relativly little) knowledge as i dont know what Ancients and Kreegans are.
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Cepheus
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posted August 22, 2007 08:31 PM |
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Hey, no problem, I'm happy to inform anyone about the true stories... I mention Cyborgs as they are prominent throught the Might and Magic universe. In Might and Magi 1-5, the main villain, Sheltem, and the protagonist, Corak, were both Cyborgs. Might and Magic VI features Melian, a supercomputer, and in Might and Magic VIII, Escaton, a Cyborg, is the main character (I wouldn't call him a villain, really). It's all really subtle, which is why most Heroes players don't notice that kind of thing at all, even though it's going on around them all the time. They all believe that Heroes is a mythological fantasy world when really it is far more. That's why their arguments fall apart when they post in the Forge town thread that the whole idea is alien to Heroes. Couldn't be further from the truth.
As for your question, well that is the problem... there is no real encyclopedia of Might and Magic storyline knowledge. I'm in the process of making one, but it's going really slowly since I'm busy at work on modding about seven other projects. You can reach it through my signature. I plan to improve it whenever I can but the best I can do for you now is to direct you here. It contains the core facts, but it is pretty sketchy, so I'm going to answer your questions myself to save you rooting through it all. Anyway I don't blame you for being confused because I was too when I discovered the whole history of the storyline.
The Kreegans are the Inferno faction - another name for Demons and Devils. Thus Lucifer Kreegan from Heroes III, who was the second king of the Demons. Kreegans are basically space-travelling Demons who populated the Heroes world directly before Might and Magic VI and lingered there until the early events of Heroes IV. The Ancients are another group of space-travellers, and are the sworn foes of the Kreegans. Sheltem, Corak, Melian and Escaton are their servants, though they are not Ancients themselves. We actually never learn what exactly the Ancients are, they are only spoken of in references throughout the series. After an unhealthy amount of studying the stories, I think the Creators are the elemental gods mentioned by Roland in map 5 of Armageddon's Blade. They are also mentioned in earlier episodes and probably appear as the Elemental Lords in Might and Magic VIII. We just don't know for sure. If you want clearer info on the Ancients and Kreegans, among other very interesting things about the storyline, then look here, especially at Acid Dragon's post, it's really good. Explains it all much better than I ever could.
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posted August 23, 2007 01:19 AM |
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Last option  I always wished too see that both Axeoth and Ashan get connected somehow. Through hidden portals, deeply buried in both worlds 
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Daystar
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posted August 23, 2007 01:34 AM |
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posted August 23, 2007 01:55 AM |
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Because she ruins her own kingdom just to get a halfdead evil vampire husband back... thats not exactly "bright".
She didnt exactly know what she was getting either or that it would ruin her kingdom or that she lacked foresight. after all markal mentioned bringing him back from the dead. he didnt mention anything about undead except the spider goddes(which doesnt neccasarily imply an undead)
despite the fact that not seeing markal going around with huge armies of skeletons is a bit silly. but ive never used isabel in that campaign anyway (or put her in proximity to markal)
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Azagal
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posted August 24, 2007 09:18 AM |
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Edited by Azagal at 10:14, 24 Aug 2007.
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@ Cepheus Thank you very much im now goinf to read this... seems like i missed quite a bit oO!! Cyborgs in Heroes wooow...
Ok... WTF?!? I just read all that stuff you linked me to... I am seriously confused... well more like surprised... I would never expectet all THAT to be in Heroes of Might & Magic oO!!
Well since im new to the technology part of the story my impression may be a bit noobish but holly **** don't you think they kind of overdid it?? I mean the Ancient (super technology beings with allmost god like powers) vs. Kreegans (high-tech beasts that just destroy everything they find) and inbetween we have the poor "low-tech" people who fight each other medival style? Woooooow who ever thought of all that must have a big imagination... and somehow I don't like the idea of my beloved Inferno Town being Alliens and the Souverign to be some "big" allien ... But well thank you very much!! Now I know waaaaaay more then before...woooow...
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Cepheus
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posted August 24, 2007 10:45 AM |
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Heh heh, you're very welcome. Yes, I was seriously confused when I heard it all, too. Now I think you understand why I want the old story back. Not just for the far better storytelling, but for the truly original backstory and the imagination which is simply lacking in Heroes V.
And don't worry, if they ever do link Axeoth and Ashan, the Sovereign will not become a giant alien - he's never travelled through space in a giant meteorite, as far as I know. Although it would explain, and simaltaneously confuse, a lot if he were a Kreegan Queen...
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Azagal
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posted August 24, 2007 12:08 PM |
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Edited by Azagal at 12:09, 24 Aug 2007.
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... for the truly original backstory and the imagination...
Boy it sure is original oO!
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And don't worry, if they ever do link Axeoth and Ashan, the Sovereign will not become a giant alien - he's never travelled through space in a giant meteorite, as far as I know. Although it would explain, and simaltaneously confuse, a lot if he were a Kreegan Queen...
The Sovereign... a Kreegan Queen? Dude... There is no way they are making the King of all Demons a She-male!!
And yeah now I understand why (informed) fans of the Heroes line have a right to be seriously upset with the story of H5.
But if you look at the H5 story as it is (without considering the pre-story) I really like it and I'm really looking forward to the big final in TotE. Hmmm interesting how everything got so diffrent... imagine how I allways thougt Heroes was a fantasy game based on mythological creatures in a medival setting... with clasic matchups such as Angels vs. Devils, Gold Dragon vs. Black Dragon, etc. and now all this oO.
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posted August 24, 2007 12:15 PM |
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I wouldn't be so sure about the Queen thing... They did it in Might and Magic VI!
Not that I really have anything major against the Heroes V storyline. It's good, despite the rubbishy first installment. I can't wait for the last episode myself. But still, I really do prefer the old storyline and I'm really happy that it's not dead yet. Mainly because it's being continued for Heroes V in a set of four campaigns called Legends of the Ancients. So I guess eveyone's happy, more or less.
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posted August 24, 2007 12:44 PM |
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Edited by Geny at 12:45, 24 Aug 2007.
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As I stated before many times, I am not one of the poeple who wants to see Heroes 1-4 storyline return. However, cepheus' idea got me thinking.
The Ancients are the sworn enemy of the Kreegans. If we suppose that the Demons are the Kreegans then the only sworn enemies they have are the Dragon Knights. The Dragon Knights dissapeared centuries ago and have never been seen again. That means that no one really knows what they are doing. Who's to say they're not working on their technology? On the other hand, the Demons live inside the core of Ashan and I don't think even Agrael/Raelag knew their every secret. So, who's to say they haven't researched some technology as well? That way the Dragon Knights could be the ancestors of the Ancients and the Demons could be the ancestors of the Kreegans, and the whole story of Ashan is actually a prequel of the HoMM 1-4 world.
Now the problem with it, is that it doesn't continue the story of Axeoth and probably cannot be used for a whole campgain, only for a single scenario or two. In other words, this idea does not help bringing the world of Ashan to the world of Axeoth, it only makes a link between the two.
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Daystar
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posted August 24, 2007 01:21 PM |
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There is no way they are making the King of all Demons a She-male!!
Lol, I would feel so sorry for him/her.
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Azagal
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posted August 24, 2007 01:51 PM |
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Sorry is not the word for it...
@Geny Since Tieru was a Dragon Knight i doubt that they are "Hi-Tech" people. But then again... when the dead Tieru talks to Raelag he looks strangely like a hologram like the ones they have in Star Wars... naaaah i guess your Theory makes sense afterall.
But what I find sad is: If the whole story about the Ancients and Kreegans is true that means that Urgash, Asha, etc. all are fake  and I would feel really cheated if the Dragon Gods are Cyborgy programmed by the Ancients... would be very odd to me.
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posted August 24, 2007 02:00 PM |
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@Azagal
You didn't understand what I meant. Asha and Urgash are real and the Dragon Knights are what they are - mere humans. It's just that later in time (could be 100 years, could 1000 years) they are able to travel the universe and get to the world later known as Antagarich and the other continent whose name I have forgotten.
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posted August 24, 2007 07:03 PM |
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Ahhh ok... sorry first get it now. But as far as I understood the story the Ancients were the ones who enabeled life on Ashan in the first place. And as the Dragon Knights are something that developed on Ashan I don't see how they could be the ancestors of something that was there before them. But I can also have understood something wrong I'm still new to this so I'm not trying to say that "this is wrong" or "this is right".
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posted August 25, 2007 07:56 AM |
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H6 is just an rumor,there is no information about Nival or Ubisoft working on this game
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