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xerox
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posted August 10, 2008 01:27 PM |
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Lots of questions 
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Assitance in the War of the Series! Kind of, atleast
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It was meant as a joke if you didnt understand it -.-
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But Heroes I was released over ten years earlier. Besides, Heroes III had lots of more background and storyline than Heroes V, and didn't rely on any other games at all (except its expansions - the events of Heroes II were mentioned but played no role). Heroes V has even had Dark Messiah.
But I said nothing with Heroes 3 again! By the time Heroes 3 had come out the story had got time to develop!
Dark Messiah was short, count it as a half game ;P
If HoMM5 would be released at the same time as H1 then people would think HoMM5 had a lot more background and story.
Guess what, I played H4 and knew that the planet was called Axeoth and the old H3 world was called Erathia and Enroth (atleast the continents)....
H3 was my favorite game for a long time so I know a little bit of the story atleast.
That demons attack and humans have griffins, not a good point... Griffins have always been with humans in folklore etc and demons are super common concepts.
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Human kingdom (Holy Griffin Empire) involving Griffins being attacked by Demons is the focus of the story. Said kingdom was split off from a greater empire (Falcon Empire) by a leader the kingdom was named after (Duke Ivan of Griffin).
O.o, the demons in H5 focus on killing the Griffins? O.o
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Ruler's (Allison) father (Rion) is killed, though his soul is retrieved from demons by a noble knight (Tarnum).
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Ruler's (Nicolai) father (Alexei) is killed, though his soul is retrieved from demons by a noble knight (Tieru).
I agree.
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Some charismatic underworld leader (Mutare) is looking to conquer a war-torn kingdom (Nighon) using strongly aristocratic means. Their quest involves Black Dragons (Vial of Dragon Blood).
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Some charismatic underworld leader (Raelag) is looking to conquer a war-torn kingdom (Ygg-Chall) using strongly aristocratic means. Their quest involves Black Dragons (Malsara).
Dont think its very similar really. Dungeon always had Black Dragons and they worship a dragon god.
I cant really say you can compare Raelag to Mutare... at all.
I dont agree anything on this point.
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HIII:
The king (Nicolas) is killed in cold blood through the use of poison by a person (Lord Haart) from a foreign land (Enroth) with ties to another, more evil land (Deyja) who has been in the human kingdom (Erathia) for some time.
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The king (Nicolai) is killed in cold blood through the use of poison by a person (Agrael) from a foreign land (Ygg-Chall) with ties to another, more evil land (Sheogh) who has been in the human kingdom (Holy Griffin Empire) for some time.
I mostly agree here except Nicolai was not killed by a poison (or was he?).
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HIII:
Necromancers are originally active under the wise leadership of a certain leader (Finneas Vilmar), become pussyfooted later when that leader is killed by someone (Nicolas), and then have a war for their own throne involving two prominent individuals (Archibald, Kastore).
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Necromancers are originally active under the wise leadership of a certain leader (Markal), become pussyfooted later when that leader is killed by someone (Zehir), and then have a war for their own throne involving two prominent individuals (Arantir, Giovanni).
Dont agree. So just because they became weakened after Zehir killed their leader means they copied H3?
I find it natural that the Death Lords would fight for Heresh.
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HIII:
The half-demon son (Xeron) of a prominent human leader taken against their will (Admiral Magnus Bonn) and a sexually-crazed demon (the Succubus) will one day threaten the world with a great weapon (Armageddon's Blade).
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The half-demon son (Sareth) of a prominent human leader taken against their will (Isabel Greyhound) and a sexually-crazed demon (Kha-Beleth) will one day threaten the world with a great weapon (Skull of Shadows).
I would say that the Skull of Shadows is ripped of the Skull of Gul'dan from Warcraft.
A artifact of much power is used in a lot of fantasies.
Otherwise I kind of agree....
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Evil Necromancer (Sandro) goes on a vengeance quest, tricking someone into finding artifacts (Armour of the Damned).
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Evil Necromancer (Markal) goes on a vengeance quest, tricking someone into finding artifacts (Vampire's Garment).
He thought he found his own armor?
Dont agree.
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Noble heroes (AvLee) are fighting a war with subterranean creatures (Nighonese) and are betrayed / messed around by a Dwarf they once trusted (Kurbon).
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Noble heroes (Grimheim) are fighting a war with subterranean creatures (Dark Elves) and are betrayed / messed around by a Dwarf they once trusted (Rolf and Hangvul).
Didnt play HoF so have nothing to say.
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Elven king (Eldrich) sacrifices himself in a moment of demon-related peril (Reckoning) to aid a close friend (Gelu).
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Elven king (Alaron) sacrifices himself in a moment of demon-related peril (Battle of Syris Thalla) to aid a close friend (Findan).
I dont agree. There is a HUGE difference from that battle and the Reckoning (lol warhammer >.> )
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Orc-like creatures of the wastelands (Krewlod) come out of nowhere and wage a vengeance war against age-old enemies (Tatalia). They are originally led by a formidable leader (Boragus), but become more active when their new king (Kilgor) succeeds him.
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Orc-like creatures of the wastelands (Ranaar) come out of nowhere and wage a vengeance war against age-old enemies (Raven Duchy). They are originally led by a formidable leader (Quroq), but become more active when their new king (Gotai) succeeds him.
Dont agree. The orcs dont live in "deserts". Their story is far more similar to Warcraft orcs.
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The mentor (Ethric) of a major Necromancer (Sandro) is mentioned / involved. He was involved with the Wizards (Bracada).
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The mentor (Sandro) of a major Necromancer (Markal) is mentioned / involved. He was involved with the Wizards (Silver League).
I see this as the weakest point, sorry.
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A somewhat indifferent half-assed Wizard King (Gavin Magnus) of some place is involved. Said place (Bracada) later aids the main heroes (Catherine).
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A somewhat indifferent half-assed Wizard King (Cyrus) of some place is involved. Said place (Silver League) later aids the main heroes (Triumverate).
Also a weak point. Academy is a good faction, would it make sense if they just ignored the war?
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There is a female Sorceress (Adrienne) walking around in a land (Tatalia) who has been strongly affiliated with the demons of a distant land (Eeofol).
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There is a female Sorceress (Shadya / Biara) walking around in a land (Ygg-Chall) who has been strongly affiliated with the demons of a distant land (Sheogh).
Dont agree. It makess sense that they are afflicted with demons since Sheogh borders them.
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Necromancer (Finneas Vilmar) who has been involved in a recent war raises Queen's (Catherine) closest relative (Nicolas) to fight against her.
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Necromancer (Markal) who has been involved in a recent war raises Queen's (Isabel) closest relative (Nicolai) to fight against her.
90% agree. Although the story is quite diffrent.
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Crazed demon king (Lucifer Kreegan III) lusts for vengeance against the Queen (Catherine) and King (Roland) of a human-occupied land (Erathia). A half-demon (Xeron) is involved.
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Crazed demon king (Kha-Beleth) lusts for vengeance against the Queen (Isabel) and King (Nicolai) of a human-occupied land (Holy Griffin Empire). A half-demon (Sareth) is involved.
Dont agree. What would the demons do, just sit in there and make hotdogs?
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Colony is a world that includes Enroth adn Erathia right? And Axeoth is a new one created by the Reckoning?
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Two things - the continent is named Antagarich, not Erathia. Axeoth was already there for hundreds of years before the Reckoning, it's just another world.
You misunderstood Mr. Perfect. I meant the new world. I saw the bad quality trailer (omg monkey behemoths, I cried ;(  .
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So are you calling HoMM fans stupid?
I said NEW fans, N E W...
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Because they really didn't now, right?
Not really. Its their own story, they cant make errors in it, just make retcons.
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That's a decision, not a reason.
Yes, its a reason. Because it proves that we wont return to your beloved, broken and SCRAPPED world, MVHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!
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Yes, if you take H1 by itself. But you can't. It's part of a large universe.
And I said H1 by itself 
The whole M&M universe is far more superior to the new (because it didnt have 20 years to develop yet).
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Cepheus
Honorable
Legendary Hero
Far-flung Keeper
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posted August 10, 2008 02:02 PM |
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Edited by Cepheus at 14:07, 10 Aug 2008.
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*yawns loudly*
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Nice Pwnage of Xerox, Ceph, but I still prefer the Ashan Storyline, since that WILL be the one we shall continue with.
Thank you, and I am aware.
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It was meant as a joke if you didnt understand it -.-
I don't see any tasteful humour in it.
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But I said nothing with Heroes 3 again!
It doesn't matter.
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By the time Heroes 3 had come out the story had got time to develop
Same with Heroes V. They had just as much time as the bridge between Heroes II (no development) and Heroes III (huge development) - two years.
Well actually they had a little under two years, so Nival had even more time to develop something of equal quality 
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If HoMM5 would be released at the same time as H1 then people would think HoMM5 had a lot more background and story.
But it wasn't, so that's a moot point.
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Guess what, I played H4 and knew that the planet was called Axeoth
But the word Axeoth was never mentioned in Heroes IV. I don't see how you could possibly have known that.
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O.o, the demons in H5 focus on killing the Griffins? O.o
No, the kingdom involves griffins. Let's leave the sarcastic remarks to the professionals 
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Dont think its very similar really. Dungeon always had Black Dragons and they worship a dragon god.
Nighon also worships a dragon god.
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I cant really say you can compare Raelag to Mutare... at all.
I dont agree anything on this point.
Doesn't bother me. Your agreement doesn't mean a lot in any case.
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I mostly agree here except Nicolai was not killed by a poison (or was he?).
View Nicolai's death scene again. He specifically claims the demon magic was poison.
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Dont agree. So just because they became weakened after Zehir killed their leader means they copied H3?
Yes, that is what it means, because the exact same plot device was used in Heroes III. Even the characters' personalities were similar.
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I find it natural that the Death Lords would fight for Heresh.
*round of applause*
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He thought he found his own armor?
Hello there? Are we having a good time?
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I dont agree. There is a HUGE difference from that battle and the Reckoning (lol warhammer >.> )
What's amusing about warhammer?
And this pertains to the characters' roles, not their circumstances. Eldrich = Alaron, Findan = Gelu.
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Dont agree. The orcs dont live in "deserts". Their story is far more similar to Warcraft orcs.
Please do not quote what I did not say. I called Krewlod and Ranaar wastelands, not deserts. And Warcraft is not the subject of our discussion.
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I see this as the weakest point, sorry.
You might want to share your reasons for that.
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Also a weak point. Academy is a good faction, would it make sense if they just ignored the war?
There are no "Good" and "Bad" factions outside of gameplay mechanics. Let's try and make that clear.
It's not a weak point if there are very few differences between the comparisons. Is there a major difference between Magnus and Cyrus, Xerox?
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Dont agree. It makess sense that they are afflicted with demons since Sheogh borders them.
No, it does not make any sense, because Sheogh shouldn't even be on the surface of Ashan. I don't see it on the official map.
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90% agree. Although the story is quite diffrent.
Yeah, two differences. Catherine wasn't there at the time, and Nicolas wasn't her husband. Pffft.
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Dont agree. What would the demons do, just sit in there and make hotdogs?
Again, we are talking about the roles of the individual characters here, not whatever it is you're referring to.
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You misunderstood Mr. Perfect. I meant the new world. I saw the bad quality trailer (omg monkey behemoths, I cried ;(
That's more than a little petty, Xerox. Who is Mr Perfect? What are you going on about? My comment wasn't even directed at you.
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(because it didnt have 20 years to develop yet).
Heroes III's storyline didn't have 20 years to develop yet, but it is still vastly superior.
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mvassilev
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Undefeatable Hero
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posted August 10, 2008 02:56 PM |
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I said NEW fans, N E W...
So you're calling NEW fans stupid. Okay.
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Not really. Its their own story, they cant make errors in it, just make retcons.
That's never a good argument.
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Yes, its a reason. Because it proves that we wont return to your beloved, broken and SCRAPPED world, MVHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!
We'll just have to put up with your beloved, broken, and not-yet scrapped world.
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xerox
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Undefeatable Hero
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posted August 10, 2008 05:12 PM |
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Edited by xerox at 17:13, 10 Aug 2008.
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Same with Heroes V. They had just as much time as the bridge between Heroes II (no development) and Heroes III (huge development) - two years.
Well actually they had a little under two years, so Nival had even more time to develop something of equal quality
While I do agree that the old team made excellent stories and very good background (except for the sci-fi crap) im almost sure that if Ashan had two/three more HoMM games then its story would have been a lot more complex then it currently is.
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No, the kingdom involves griffins. Let's leave the sarcastic remarks to the professionals
Humans use horses in LOTR. Tolkien copied real life!!! omg ;P
No but seriously, Griffins with humans had always clicked and fited.
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Nighon also worships a dragon god.
Almost all Ashan races worship dragon gods ;P
Also remember that the Faceless are Malassas race, the Delfs just stole their religion ;P
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View Nicolai's death scene again. He specifically claims the demon magic was poison.
Maybe it was symbolic!
No, but you are probably right.
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What's amusing about warhammer?
Their game is called "Age of Reckoning" - they copied H4 ;P
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Dont agree. The orcs dont live in "deserts". Their story is far more similar to Warcraft orcs.
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Please do not quote what I did not say. I called Krewlod and Ranaar wastelands, not deserts. And Warcraft is not the subject of our discussion.
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The Orcs native terrain in HoMM5 and the orcs overall are far more diffrent then in the old world(s).
I just said its more likely Nival/Ubisoft copied Warcrap then old HoMMs.
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There are no "Good" and "Bad" factions outside of gameplay mechanics. Let's try and make that clear.
It's not a weak point if there are very few differences between the comparisons. Is there a major difference between Magnus and Cyrus, Xerox?
The Academy in H5 is far more good then Inferno for example ;P
They are a faction allied with Wood Elves and other Humans, it makes sense.
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No, it does not make any sense, because Sheogh shouldn't even be on the surface of Ashan. I don't see it on the official map.
Because Sheogh lies UNDERGROUND, as does Ygg-Chal?
Remember, Urgash was chained in the core of Ashan. Sheogh is a layer close to it.
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Heroes III's storyline didn't have 20 years to develop yet, but it is still vastly superior.
More then H5 atleast
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So you're calling NEW fans stupid. Okay.
So you think that if a old world H6 comes (lol, dream on) and its based in Axeoth, everybody would understand EVERYTHING and know the whole backstory?
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We'll just have to put up with your beloved, broken, and not-yet scrapped world.
Yay!
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Over himself, over his own
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Cepheus
Honorable
Legendary Hero
Far-flung Keeper
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posted August 10, 2008 05:22 PM |
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Well, it looks like we've reached some sort of agreement here, so I won't put that in jeopardy by continuing the pointless quote war.
On a side note, I gave you a credit on my lore-based site, Xerox, in thanks for all the comedy
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xerox
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Undefeatable Hero
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posted August 10, 2008 06:26 PM |
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This site: http://thespinwardtales.wikispaces.com/Credits
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Over himself, over his own
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razor5
Famous Hero
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posted August 10, 2008 09:02 PM |
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I am writing too late......
I'd like to be a continuation of storyline of Heroes 5 !!!
But I smell it will be with with a new storyline,in a new world,with totally new heroes
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EPAmonkey
Tavern Dweller
Earth Elemental
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posted August 13, 2008 08:44 AM |
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Okay... about the complex storyline.
when I was young I used to watch my older brothers play mm 1-8, i then played 9 by my self(at this point I didnt care for the storyline). just a little while back i looked on the internet for might and magic and I found a post that claimed Cron Varn Xeen were flying ships(or something like that) and the letters stood for something, the kreegan were aliens and other stuuf like that and a little time after that I understood. (although i did get lost with the forces of the dome and stuff)
I must admit I learnt most from Cepheus and his website the "Spinward tales"
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thehiddeneye
Adventuring Hero
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posted August 13, 2008 07:08 PM |
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My idea...
Continue the Ashan storyline, and develop it. Make your heroes start small, and become figures of legend. Suggested themes: brutality of war, plotting and political backstabbing, alliances forming and breaking and so on...
I suggest a set of non-linear SP campaigns following the story of a hero (or two), rather than a faction (like in Heroes IV). Although normally affiliated with a practicular faction (or several), you CAN change your alleigance throughout the campaign by following certain paths.
Thus, your actions and descisions will affect further missions (for example: a hero starting as a Wizard can "fall to darkness" and become a Warlock throughout the campaign, or you can gain the alliance of the Green Dragons). The campaign will be full of flavor events, scripting and customized stuff (like custom factions-including Vampire Lords and Demonically-corrupted humans). Another example is extra-powerful Inferno creatures (stat-wise) while fighting them on their home turf of Sheogh.
Now, for the actual plot I suggest the usual stuff- a great war brewing in Ashan between all the factions, with the heroes caught in between the warring factions (being more mercenaries than leaders of nations- although later they can become ones).
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mvassilev
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Undefeatable Hero
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posted August 13, 2008 07:34 PM |
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I still suggest somehow combining the old and new storylines.
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