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Heroes Community > Other Side of the Monitor > Thread: Are people this dumb? Am I blind?
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Miru
Miru


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A leaf in the river of time
posted August 29, 2007 04:50 AM

Are people this dumb? Am I blind?

I've been living my life for 15 years, albeit I don't remember a good deal of it, but I have always thought of myself as smart. Maybe IQ 150 - 180, but not past Marilyn, or anything extreme. However rude awakenings in the past few months have made me think, maybe I am that smart, and I had a higher expectation than how smart they are.

For the past few years I decided I hated people. On personality tests they say I am incredibly likely to do well, and also maybe be a sociopath, until I found a good test that takes more things into account than usual. When I usually do personality test, I always say "no, I hate people in general" or move the slider to the left, until one question in  a test, more specifically a Myers-Briggs test, stumped me.

Rate 1 - 6 which fits you more:
coordinating the work of people who are highly competent
vs
emphasising what I personally believe is of importance

I was going to put my personal beliefs first, but then I stopped and thought about it. No one ever asked if I was competent people friendly. Turns out, I just don't like stupid (comparatively) people, where I thought I hated all people.

I came to the "I just don't like stupid (comparatively) people" belief, soon after finding this.

But what is comparatively?

I don't know.



What inspired me to make this post is my recent physics homework, an algebra touch up, to see if I remember (which, I of course do, and I rarely forget things of this nature.). "Consider the following: a = b+c
a. If b is 2 and c is 3, what is "A"?
..."

I was infuriated at this insult, but thinking about how my classmate's responses to these kinds of questions I wonder:

How alone am I in this world?
Am I very smart and they are normal?
Am I smart and they are dumb?
Does everybody else in this world have trouble remembering things?
Is my definition of learning something (come to know it, don't forget), wrong? (which it must be)

If you have an answer that won't make me want to commit suicide, please say it.

I do not want to hear comments about being arrogant, or trying to get attention, or I just need some more counciling (I've been to a billion and a half counciling sessions, and not one has helped). I'm being serious.
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Binabik
Binabik


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posted August 29, 2007 05:13 AM

It's simple. You (and most of the rest of society) place WAY too much importance on intelligence and education. Intelligence is actually a relatively minor human attribute compared to other things.

If you hate people because of a relatively minor attribute like intelligence, then you are the one who is lacking in one of the more important attributes.

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Miru
Miru


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A leaf in the river of time
posted August 29, 2007 05:51 AM
Edited by Miru at 05:54, 29 Aug 2007.

EDIT: @bini: I consider intelligence to be the most important trait, and I don't fit in with, or like the rest of society. In fact, my hate at them is one of the main points of this thread.



No, I don't mean some arbitrary number, I mean explaining things. I mean the group mind. People voting, who don't understand what is really going on. Students who make classes go slower than me. People who can't understand what I say. Drones of the media.

I've had friends that weren't very smart in the past, but I don't see why everybody else has to act so mindless, dressing like everyone else.

In this society unique is not popular, yet everyone thinks they are, and try to be both.

When the whole flock is black, one more black sheep is nothing special.

Sure, common punks are rebellious. But in a way, not at all.

It's the teenagers that say "no one understands me", The shirts that say "You laugh at me becuase I'm different, I laugh at you because you're all the same. Well these statements apply to me, but due to the common nature of it no one takes me seriously.



And I am different. In PE when everybody runs in clumps, I go at my own pace. When a fight breaks out and half the student body tries to fit in a 20 foot by 20 foot (6 meter by 6 meter) box, I ignore is. I dress differently. I am am that weirdo.

I don't fit any stereotypes except nerd, and because people so commonly say this, few believe it.


I don't study for tests, and I almost always get an 'A', I learn math and most science after hearing it once, and I find patterns and solve puzzles better than anyone I have ever met (new puzzles, when someone practices one thing over and over, say, a Rubik's cube, they are better than me, but again, new puzzles)

I'm sure I sound like one in a million identical teens, and if that's what you think, I'm not looking for a response from you, as I could already guess what it is.
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TitaniumAlloy
TitaniumAlloy


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posted August 29, 2007 08:24 AM

What is intelligence?
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Setitetart
Setitetart


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Reality check....
posted August 29, 2007 09:54 AM

Quote:
What is intelligence?


Intelligence is the ability to have rational thought and to LEARN.
However, some could say that intelligence is as simple as having opposable thumbs and knowing how to do...stuff.
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Homer171
Homer171


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posted August 29, 2007 09:57 AM

Accept who you are and people around you. Wits aren't granted for everyone as you have already seen. It's your gift use it well. Those other poor dummies might have something even greater than intelligence like Bina said before.

People like to think them self as smarter or more talented than others. In the end nobody is perfect and thats life.

Btw we all got 'A's in primary school
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angelito
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posted August 29, 2007 10:53 AM

Quote:
...but I have always thought of myself as smart. Maybe IQ 150 - 180, but not past
You sure about those numbers? Einstein didn't have much more than this......
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baklava
baklava


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posted August 29, 2007 12:26 PM

Quote:
Intelligence is actually a relatively minor human attribute compared to other things.

Compared to what other things? Looks? Physical strength?
The only attribute that is indeed more important than intelligence is sheer goodness of the heart. Intelligence is a two-edged sword, and if a person who possesses it is corrupt, it can't bring anything good. On the other hand, a person with higher intelligence is more likely to know true right from wrong, while you can convince a dumb person that even fascism is good...
This is a rather complicated matter actually, if you really look into it...
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Tenaka
Tenaka


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Makes sense
posted August 29, 2007 01:23 PM

Well, most of what people think is intelligence is actually more dependant on personality. Think about it. Take Miru for example. He's not necessarily (he can be, but I think if your're on a internet forum, you don't have an IQ of over 165...) much smarter than all the other kids he knows. Everyone else is just a lot more social.
No offence meant whatsoever.

Anyway, Miru, I think all of your problems is just a fase in your life. The point where people make a lot of choices of what they want to be. You'll grow over it. And no, just because you may seem smarter, doesn't mean you really are. I know a lot of people who don't...act very smart either. For instance, I used to know a girl who wasn't really dumb, but had trouble with a lot of classes in school. And no, she wasn't the girly-girl type you're picturing right now. But although her grades were definitely pretty low. (No A's like Homer. ), she worked very hard to keep up. Yes, she slowed the class down, and a lot of people - me, actually, to be honest - didn't like that. But now, I really respect her for no giving up. So, she probably doesn't reach an IQ of 180, but does she qualify for your ideas of smart? I think so. And I agree with both Baklava and Binabik here, there are a lot more important things in life than intelligence.

Wow...Looking over what I typed just now, I guess you aren't going to take me very serious. But hey, at least I tried! ^^
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baklava
baklava


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posted August 29, 2007 01:51 PM

Quote:
And I agree with both Baklava and Binabik here, there are a lot more important things in life than intelligence.

Um I didn't actually say that I said there's only ONE thing more important than intelligence. Two if you count love as separate from benevolence
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Doomforge
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posted August 29, 2007 01:54 PM
Edited by Doomforge at 13:56, 29 Aug 2007.

Quote:
In this society unique is not popular, yet everyone thinks they are, and try to be both.


Hey, very wise words.

I think I won't participate in the discussion with you, since I feel my english is really lacking to do so, to express my thoughts in a way I'd like to express them. But I generally agree with some of your thoughts.

Oh, by the way, I constantly feel crushed by the.. no, not by the lack of the intelligence of my mates. I feel crushed by their prosaism. I feel so many of them is so.. umm.. typical. Common. Ordinary. Down to earth. Bah, dunno how should I express it.

But, I noticed that in their prosaism, they often feel a lot more happy than I do. That's why I agree with Baklava and Binabik too - there are more important things than intelligence. Except for vacant feeling of superiority, high intelligence gives you nearly nothing in social life - except for feeling alone, alienated or out of this world.

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Tenaka
Tenaka


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Makes sense
posted August 29, 2007 01:58 PM

Quote:

Um I didn't actually say that I said there's only ONE thing more important than intelligence. Two if you count love as separate from benevolence


Well, I have a very valid counter-argument...
...
...
...
Blah.



And, yes, I've got a bit the same feeling Doomforge, it's kinda hard to explain it in an other language...
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baklava
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posted August 29, 2007 02:00 PM

Quote:
That's why I agree with Baklava and Binabik too - there are more important things than intelligence.


No, people, you don't understand, I was implying that intelligence is VERY important, and that there is ONLY one thing that's...
*sigh*
Never mind
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william
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posted August 29, 2007 02:03 PM

Quote:
...but I have always thought of myself as smart. Maybe IQ 150 - 180, but not past



lol, I sorta doubt that you are that high.

You think too highly of yourself.
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dschingi
dschingi


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posted August 29, 2007 02:31 PM

Quote:
Quote:
Intelligence is actually a relatively minor human attribute compared to other things.

Compared to what other things? Looks? Physical strength?


What about your social attitude, the way you treat people, helping each other. I know acting like that is difficult especially if you are treated badly by others. But building up hatred doesn't do any good, it just makes things worse. Sometimes you don't get along with some people, that's normal and they will disappear from your life. Eventually you'll find people who are more like yourself, just don't seal yourself off, not everybody's a bad person and that's independent on how smart that person is.

btw that's not directed at you baklava, I just used your quote

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Doomforge
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posted August 29, 2007 02:38 PM

Quote:

No, people, you don't understand, I was implying that intelligence is VERY important, and that there is ONLY one thing that's...
*sigh*
Never mind


depends what's the goal. if it's happiness, intelligence is really low - it's simply not needed to be happy.

And, since we all live to please ourselves..

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SwampLord
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posted August 29, 2007 03:07 PM

I can use an example here. There's several people at my school who are very smart, and work extremely hard. But everybody hates them, because they're annoying, and they can never lighten up. I'd rather have mediocre grades and a life other then school and work, which they seem to lack. In my opinion, intelligence can be a great asset, but friends, love, etc. is much more important.
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Elvin
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posted August 29, 2007 03:50 PM
Edited by Elvin at 15:54, 29 Aug 2007.

I'm with baklava on this one. Plus intelligence can lead to arrogance and make you think you are something special you are not. I'm talking in general don't take it personally. There are many more things to consider in life and making that mistake will make you feel worse. There are people that are less intelligent than me that I enjoy being with and respect a lot. They may even be more useful as people to the society due to other qualities. People who are not good on maths and exams may be smart in other things, judging character, fast thinking, having charismatic communication skills, understanding the concept of music, space, language etc better that others.

That said I do hate stupid people(again not necessarily low-intelligence ones but people who act like idiots regardless) because they are unpredictable and may cause you trouble whether they want it or not. From such people you may not only have little to gain in self improvement but you may feel the need to act less smart as well. Let's not get into this.

Also basing your thoughts on internet tests is not that smart on its own. You may be intelligent but you still miss some things about how to analyze data and what else may be behind this. If you don't know yourself you think someone who's never seen you does? Yes some people have the gift of understanding others through intuition, even better than they know themselves but a test is something different. It may have flawed parameters, assume all people use a specific line of thinking, partially biased options, lack of some important ones etc.
All you have to do is think about it by checking who you know and how you feel about each, at which age category they are, why you think this way.

I've known people of your age and less to that that I'm smarter-than-you attitude and they've all regretted it later. Intelligence does not always get you through things and some may accomplish more by being in the middle ground be it chance or experience. Besides at that age it's not as much stupidity but immaturity that you see. Males reach mental maturity at a slow rate and seeing people act like idiots may mislead you into thinking they indeed are. And may people will not show how they think either.

Don't be discouraged, have patience and keep your eyes open for the 'right' people.
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Vlaad
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posted August 29, 2007 04:40 PM
Edited by Vlaad at 16:50, 29 Aug 2007.

I think I've wasted years being a snob. LOL

Raise the bar for yourself.

Oh, and life gets better after high school.

P.S. Remember this one?

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Elvin
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posted August 29, 2007 04:47 PM

Haha I had read that at some time. The pizzafortehwin discussion was amazing
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