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Mytical
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posted October 09, 2007 07:42 AM |
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The 'not me' era
Ok while reading another thread came upon an interesting ot bit and decided to persue this further on this thread (instead of going further off-topic in the other thread).
The discussion was about if singers were responisble if somebody listened to their music and then did something violent. To me it is just another symptom of the 'not me' era. Video games, music, movies, TV...all have been blamed for this or that. It is pretty much junk in my opinon. It's mainly because parents or the person themselves do not want to take responsibility for their actions.
Now I am not saying there are not illnesses which cause issues with people's minds. Barring something serious, however, it is bunk. You did this, but a million other people who experienced the same thing didn't. Odd. If you are that succeptable to suggestion you should be locked up for your own good anyhow.
People use bad things in their past as an excuse, yet people who have had as bad (or worse) did not go out and do the crimes they did.
People use a video game, despite the fact that a whole lot of people played that game and never killed somebody..ect ect ect.
People no longer want to take responsibility for their own actions, so something or somebody else has to be the blame. Parents don't want to be responsible for raising their children so they use things like V-Chips, blame teachers (or anything else). Now I realise this is just my opinon, and as always I may be way off base. Personally though, I think you take responsibility for what you do.
Currently victims are treated like criminals, criminals are treated like victims, and justice is for who can afford it. Believe me, been there, done that. Yeah, we should feel sorry for criminals sometimes. Sometimes the deck is stacked against them and they are left with no other avenue. That does not mean we should just give them a pat on a back and let them walk because they had some tough luck. Don't blame Music, Tv, ect..the person made a choice. Let them 'man up' and take the blame.
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posted October 09, 2007 09:03 AM |
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Just make USA a society like Finland and no one blames anybody else but the criminals.
And the police of course
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posted October 09, 2007 10:24 AM |
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I see the whole "but he made me" or "but he did this" mentality every day at school. It is only a small percentage of students, but it is there.
It's strange though, it's not the kids that play computer games alot that seem to have this tendency...
I'm not sure where it comes from, and I'm not sure if it is really a new thing. Definately the whole state of law suits for accidents doesn't help matters. Being able to sue someone because you fall down a whole in their backyard on your way to rob them doesn't seem like a valid case to me, and yet the system says that this is just.
It is a hard slog to get kids to take responsibilty and see that just because someone does such and such, it doesn't mean they have to react in a negative way. I can only guess it is something they learn from a very young age, or that these excuses are accepted and as they grow they think that it is a valid reason to act that way.
*shrugs*
It is frustrating. It is interesting though how much the way human behaviour is learnt resembles pet training... Reward and punishment. Meeting their needs and all that psychology. What motivates people to act, and the way that they justify their actions is pretty basal...
hmmm
As for escaping persecution because of legal loopholes, I guess the whole "pleading insanity" has been around for a long time, lawyers have just found ways to play this, and they have taken everything as far as they can until we find ourselves in a system that seems totally unjust.
What can we do? How can we change this pattern? Will society ever stand up and say "enough"?
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Mytical
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posted October 09, 2007 10:49 AM |
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To be honest, a lot of my feelings on this subject are shadowed by something else. I have been the victim in a crime, and the people responsible got off with a slap on the risk. True, fate interviened after and they won't be bothering anybody any more..but the justice system failed big time. During the trial I was dragged through the mud, made to feel cheap and tawdry, and pretty much like I had done something criminal.
The people who think "Awww poor people, we should put them in mental institutes until they think they are better" have probably never been on the victim side. Where you are constantly looking over your shoulder, living in fear because next time you might not get so lucky. The crushing weight of seeing somebody get slapped on the wrist, because of the 'not me' defense. I hope that they never have to be on that end. I sincerely do.
Anyhow, my personal feelings I will put aside on this. Lets have a interesting and open discussion 
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kookastar
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posted October 09, 2007 11:01 AM |
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I'm sorry to hear that you had to deal with that. Unfortunately though it happens too often. And people with money, of course, seem to be able to get off even more so.
I have heard some really sad tales about the system and the victoms of abuse, and rape {including parental sexual abuse of a really sick nature where the father has gotten off}. The whole juvenille system is a joke for a start {at least in Aust you can basically do what you like when you are a minor - to a limit of course).
I've heard from someone who deals with children who are victoms of "rape" or "date rape" or whatever you want to call sexual assult. She related to me that she would never recommend for someone to go to court (she doesn't make any recommendations either way, she just supports people whatever they choose to do}. But she said that what they put the girls through on the stand is just as damaging as the assult itself. It is horrible. But what do you do, let them get away with it? I'm lucky I haven't been in that position, but that seems to be a standard defense - to attack the victom. It is your word against theirs. Tragic.
I wonder though, if these people really do think that they were "made to do it", or if it is just a legal defence strategy that they choose because they don't want to face the consequence.
But yeah, generally speaking there are alot of people that shift the blame for everything in their lives. I guess it is a hard spiral to break free of if this is all you have known. {not making excuses at all btw}
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Aculias
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posted October 31, 2007 08:32 AM |
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Era changes with influence.
Every 10 yrs it changes when something new hits the market.
Bad Influence or good, the point is that we change with what the changes bring us.
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