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Thread: Best faction in the game (post TotE) This thread is 19 pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 · «PREV / NEXT»
Doomforge
Doomforge


Admirable
Undefeatable Hero
Retired Hero
posted March 25, 2008 10:42 PM

Uhh. I trust you as the better player, but that's something I find hard to believe Mini arties or not, the whole Sylvan damage dealing lineup will act first, unless you have 50 knowledge and staff of imba/ring of imba (Assuming wyngaal isn't banned, ofc..)

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nameless
nameless

Tavern Dweller
posted March 25, 2008 10:46 PM

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Perhaps in the future, but to be honest, LANs are my favorite, and I rarely play online. Hope that doesn't make me sound noobish, cause my mates are great players





I've played LAN my whole life too. My mates have been there since H3 came out... until recently, when things kinda changed. So, I've been thinking about getting into some online playing, but I would really rather not just play anybody (I'm assuming that's your thing, too, and really anybody's who's good). If I am going to kill a day playing H5, it better be a good opponent, right?

Anyways, I currently live in Chicago. If anybody's from around here, I'd probly be open to LAN games, no prob - in May.

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Elvin
Elvin


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Endless Revival
posted March 25, 2008 10:51 PM

In any case there's ToH for that. There are some people I could pinpoint but in any case you could check the player statistics for good ones.
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samiekl
samiekl


Supreme Hero
posted March 25, 2008 10:55 PM
Edited by samiekl at 22:57, 25 Mar 2008.

Doomforge, 50 knowledge isnt so rare. Lategame supremacy is fought by academy and dwarves, not sylvan.

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Doomforge
Doomforge


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Retired Hero
posted March 26, 2008 10:26 AM
Edited by Doomforge at 10:27, 26 Mar 2008.

Well, if you can get that much, I see your point. +50% init is no joke, makes titans faster than crystal dragons

The max I had was like 40, but I lacked the resources to build enough mini-arties to make a full advantage out of it. I suck with academy, though, so don't mind me at all

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Fauch
Fauch


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posted March 26, 2008 12:05 PM

Quote:
Doomforge, 50 knowledge isnt so rare.


seriously, how do you do that in such short game?
around 25 already seems really good to me.
(I haven't played a full game with academy yet, so maybe 30 with them?)

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Doomforge
Doomforge


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posted March 26, 2008 12:10 PM
Edited by Doomforge at 12:11, 26 Mar 2008.

he plays rich maps

you can't get even 30 on peninsula for instance

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arxur
arxur


Adventuring Hero
posted March 26, 2008 06:15 PM

With initiative mini-artifacts it's much easier to beat sylvan. But in normal maps the sylvan army will kill you before you start thinking about making mini-arties...
However, in a very big map Academy has much better wining chances, due to the creatures high grow rate and very strong spells...

Sylvan has the highest chance to win about in the mid-game. Before the academy outgrows them.

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nameless
nameless

Tavern Dweller
posted March 26, 2008 08:57 PM

and there is the arcane omniscience. which, with the divison 6 dude and his evil device, is easier than ever before. screwed up and picked up some BS perks? no prob.

month 2 academy with minies + arcane omniscience. not impossible.


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Doomforge
Doomforge


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posted March 26, 2008 09:30 PM

can you say a little more about the discovery? I never heard anything related to arcane omniscence. Is there some kind of a bug that ppl learned to exploit?

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nosfe
nosfe


Adventuring Hero
posted March 26, 2008 10:48 PM

i think he's talking about the memory mentor and how easy it is to get the ultimate that way, i think

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nameless
nameless

Tavern Dweller
posted March 27, 2008 12:19 AM

sorry yeah, right on! division 6...? Men In Black? i like abusing the mentor



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alcibiades
alcibiades


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of Gold Dragons
posted March 28, 2008 08:32 AM

Sorry, but I still can't see the greatnes in Arcane Omniscience. Woohoo, if you manage to live to level 30, you will know all spells. Ok cool, but no Mastery effects (or at most from one school), and how big are your actual chances of surviving that long without at least 2 magic schools?
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Doomforge
Doomforge


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Retired Hero
posted March 28, 2008 10:58 AM

On hg you have three academy towns anyway if playing academy so no need for that perk. You have utopia too.

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Drunk_Lord
Drunk_Lord


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very happy hero :)
posted March 28, 2008 02:08 PM

if someone wants to waste his time on Arcane Omniscience he's welcome. It may have some benefits, but... first I'm not sure that catapult or tremors will help u much. Enlightenment and sorcery are nice. But u need at least level 25 to lay hands on omniscience, not to count that u will be offered skills, different from the reqs for the ultimate. So it makes level around 30. Nearly no chance at all.
Spells obtained from omniscience may help, another thing is that magic schools aren't required, but no masteries sounds a scarce doesn't really worth the shot
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arxur
arxur


Adventuring Hero
posted March 28, 2008 03:05 PM

Not to mention that you don't need every spell It's enough if you have 2-3 good spells, like puppet master and frenzy, or summon phoenix.

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HEBPEME
HEBPEME


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I have TotE now!
posted March 28, 2008 03:06 PM
Edited by HEBPEME at 15:10, 28 Mar 2008.

Hey everybody,

Haven't been here for a while but i took some time to read through this whole thread. I disagree with statements such as "faction X is invincible" and so on. Every1 knows that every faction has it's counter faction, plus there are always MANY ways to counter any1. So basically, everybody can beat everybody (faction wise).

Now, if i had to pick which one is pretty damn strong, i'd say Orcs. Not to disagree about academy beeing very nasty and dangerous, but orcs (with but even without ultimate) are insane. Their units, numbers, damage output, whitch doctors against magic oriented factions and, of course, one and only insanely mean BLOOD RAGE! With orc's ultimate keeps the blood rage suck in the majority of the damage therefore leaving units intact! Not to mention that blood rage is literally infinite - warcries, attacking, units dying and so on. In a late game, they are one of the toughest opponents outthere. With all units upgraded, hero with crucial warcries and a skilled player, only dark magic users stand some chance. Still, don't forget the artifacts for magic resistance, immunities to various dark spells and so on.
If i had to pick the best counter faction for orcs, i'd say either sylvan (read: favored enemy + imbue arrow numerous variations) or necro (but necro with a very very buffed hero + good artifacts to prevent orcs from playing too much). I doubt that in late game haven could stop them, or dwarves, dungeon not likely, inferno - no comment needed. Academy also might be a good counter but summoning magic is a must in that case.
Anyways, i love playing with all factions except inferno, but i somehow find orcs one of my favorites.

Cheers

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samiekl
samiekl


Supreme Hero
posted March 28, 2008 03:19 PM

Inferno can take out orcs in any stage of the game without much effort.

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Cleave
Cleave


Promising
Famous Hero
Raging Blood
posted March 28, 2008 05:38 PM

I do agree with Samiekl.

Quote:
only dark magic users stand some chance. Still, don't forget the artifacts for magic resistance, immunities to various dark spells and so on.


Don't get me wrong, I loved the orcs but I really find them weak because of that. Expert Shatter Dark might help against PM but Frenzy...

Frenzied cyclops... You get the picture. That's not even funny. How many times did you get the artifacts that protect from frenzy or slow, can you rely on getting them in any game?

Most factions are quite vulnerable to Dark but the orcs are the weakest when it come to that. Something as mundane as mass slow can't be countered by barbarians. I'm not even referring to nastier spells like mass confusion.

Plus creeping against tier 7 neutrals can be difficult with the orcs, other factions can rely on resurrection, raise dead or vampirism. Orcs can't.


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Lexxan
Lexxan


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Unimpressed by your logic
posted March 28, 2008 06:22 PM

My favourite is Academy


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