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Elvin
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posted October 31, 2007 01:18 PM |
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Your first example reminds me why I considered armageddon's blade one of the best campaigns I have ever played. As for the second I recall the sword of frost and we are talking about dungeon here, those creatures were deceitful by nature and governed by intimidation. Tarnum even had to crush a troglodite, tear a harpy's wing, dress a minotaur in female clothes(not terrifying but I loved thatpart  ) and pretend talking to his mother that was not there. I would not expect something better from them but dwarves and elves in H5 have a better conscience than that.
Hmm do you have any place I can read the texts? I doubt you had a save and just typed them 
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Cepheus
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posted October 31, 2007 01:24 PM |
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The Chronicles are all here in this .rar file, you can open them with the Heroes III Campaign and Map Editor, then just view the timed events.
As for the basic campaigns in Heroes III, you need ResEdit to extract them from the data files and then view them.
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Maurice
Hero of Order
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posted October 31, 2007 01:38 PM |
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Cinematics don't convey inner thoughts and emotions of the characters involved. Written texts act like it's a book.
I fail to see why they can't be combined. A few cinematics per map are ok, and do the rest of the smaller events through text boxes as they did in H3. It adds more depth and personality to the heroes you're playing with.
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Elvin
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posted October 31, 2007 01:42 PM |
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My thanks, too bad I don't have H3 installed. Maybe I will return to read them again sometime.
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Nirual
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posted October 31, 2007 04:43 PM |
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Okay then, here's a more intense example. Catherine and Roland are trying to prevent a lunatic demon king from creating a sword capable of destroying the world, and guess what? Their own country turns their back on them.
How is that different from what Isabel experiences after Nicolai's death? All she want's is to do right by his last wish and avenge him, but the nobles turn against her and want to see Andrei on the throne instead. No wonder she agreed to Markals proposal. After all, is seemed to be the perfect solution: bring Nicolai back and let him rule once again. Of course, Markal "forgot" to tell her he'd be a wretched undead under Markals control.
I actually think the plot was pretty good in H5, but it was told poorly.
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Cepheus
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posted October 31, 2007 04:52 PM |
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The difference is that Isabel still had one half of the country on her side, whereas when the Erathian nobles withdrew their support, there was nothing. No soldiers left to fight. They were the only chance for Catherine and Roland to conquer Eeofol. If AvLee hadn't allowed Gelu to help and if the Elementals hadn't been there, Lucifer Kreegan would have easily beaten Catherine and Roland back.
And any fool could easily see that Markal had something up his sleeve, even without the monologues at the start. He's a Necromancer for heaven's sake.
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Elvin
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posted October 31, 2007 04:55 PM |
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Seriously does it matter how much dissent there was? Suppose it was 35%, so what - you are missing the point.
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Cepheus
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posted October 31, 2007 04:58 PM |
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Edited by Cepheus at 17:02, 31 Oct 2007.
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I simply answered the question. Then again you seem to be missing my point. There is a serious lack of substance when it comes to the way leaders and kingdoms interact in the Heroes V storyline.
And sure it matters. There's a gap between 35% and 100% dissent, you know.
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Nirual
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posted October 31, 2007 05:16 PM |
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And any fool could easily see that Markal had something up his sleeve, even without the monologues at the start. He's a Necromancer for heaven's sake.
Once again, Isabel was desperate. And naive and unexperienced, but thats no big news. Easily for Markal to manipulate her, and things just went downhill from there on out. Isabel lost even more support for siding with him, so there was no turning back, up to the point where even Godric turns away from her and the troops start to leave her.
It's not as dramatic as instantly losing all troops, but also more realistic. No leader would instantly lose the support of even his most loyal troops, especially not a king. Take Arthas from Wc3 for example. He decides to slaughter a whole town to prevent the undead from raising zombies from the citizens, and he still has quite a sizeable force in the next mission. Sure, he has to lie to them when the King decides to withdraw them, but if the situation is so desperate, it's somewhat understandable.
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Cepheus
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posted October 31, 2007 05:32 PM |
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Edited by Cepheus at 17:35, 31 Oct 2007.
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The thing is, no self-respecting country would even consider letting a formerly banished Necromancer within their borders, let alone allow him to approach their Queen and start poisoning her mind with his manipulations, regardless of whatever she orders them to do.
Also, the situation wasn't so desperate that the Empire had to declare war on Cyrus and earn themselves another powerful enemy just to resurrect one dead man who probably couldn't have saved them alone anyway. I know Erathia wouldn't have gone that far.
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Maurice
Hero of Order
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posted October 31, 2007 06:14 PM |
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In the Markal and Isabel interaction, I found it also quite naive from Isabel that she didn't understand the nature of a Necromancer raising someone from the dead. Did she really believe he would be raised as he was before he died? For someone to be queen like her, with her upbringing, she *should* have known what Necromancers can do - and how her Nicolai would turn up. I find it a *very* weak point in the plot that she doesn't.
Mind you, we're talking about the HoMM5 universe here, where magic and all sorts of funny stuff is abundant, not the real world.
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Nirual
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posted October 31, 2007 06:30 PM |
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I don't think the Griffin Empire had much experience if Necromancers before that point, other than Markal before he was exiled.
Besides, Necromancers are undead too, but unlike their servants, they still have their own will and (in the case of the campaign heroes) still look fairly human other than being rather pale. How could Isabel, or any other human know the exact nature of necromancy?
And Cyrus denied her any help against the demons, whereas Markal is offering help. It's a pretty easy choice given that the offense against the wizards is mainly led by Markals undead legions with some starting help from Godric.
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Elvin
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posted October 31, 2007 06:35 PM |
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Edited by Elvin at 18:52, 31 Oct 2007.
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That has got to be the most idiotic thing I have ever seen in a storyline, I'm with Cepheus here. I already did not think very highly of Isabel but that was too much.
Edit: Knowing necromancy is irrelevant, when a stranger comes knocking with hopes of raising your king but requires in return ONLY invading a nearby kingdom first thing that comes to mind is what his motives are.
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WarLore
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posted October 31, 2007 06:43 PM |
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TotE ending was dissapointment,no one of good hero's died in whole campaign  i believe that fight against evil should cost hero casualties and there is some empty answers like where is raelag? and where is Arantir? did realag even showed up in Dark messiah? if dont,whata hack happened to him?
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Nirual
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posted October 31, 2007 06:47 PM |
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Edited by Nirual at 18:48, 31 Oct 2007.
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First off, Ornella died. Secondly, it's explained that Raelag is busy with other things, and Arantir is off to find the Skull of Shadows. I found it more odd that Ylaya doesn't show up in the ending cinematic.
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Elvin
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posted October 31, 2007 06:53 PM |
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Also it may bring you some comfort that Kenghi died
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Nirual
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posted October 31, 2007 07:08 PM |
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righto, although he's no hero. Oddly enough, he seems to be quite important but you never really get to know the guy.
Guess textbox stories would have been helpful to expand the background on guys like him and other sidekick characters like Sir Thomas (a Squire under Isabels command until she gets ambushed by Biara and Agrael) or Galan (Findan's sidekick).
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Cepheus
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posted October 31, 2007 07:11 PM |
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True. This way they're just one-dimensional placeholders just thrown in so the main character isn't talking to him/herself. The only one I can think of who seems to have some sort of a personality would be Narxes, but then again he's a hero as well.
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Elvin
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posted October 31, 2007 07:13 PM |
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Considering how all the haven story was narrated by Lysander's servant in H4 it seems too poor in comparison. H3 even had you learn what happens with your scouts and lieutenants. I never thought too much of him though, just the tribe's witchdoctor and an annoying one as well.
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roy-algriffin
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posted October 31, 2007 10:13 PM |
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yeah khengi wasnt much of a character that i had much love for.
"Khengi find treasure, Khengi like treasure" is probably his biggest line in the whole campaign.
yeah original heroes 5 plots weak point was definatly the weak point. Most of the other campaigns excluding the inferno one were pretty good though.
Yeah i think if there were text boxes it would be cooler. i mean imagine hearing in isabel campaign something about how much agreal thinks about her and eventually falls in love.
Would have bette cushioned that twist in the story that was poor.
Definatly needed to explain how desperate the nobles were making isabel as well at least.
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