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posted November 14, 2001 03:09 PM |
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Yes, it is kinda silly to hide who exactly you are. To walk around with a mask on is a form of self defence that we like to have sometimes, but let's face it. This is the internet, and it doesn't really matter how old you are or what you look like. If Oltimer turned out to be a thirteen year old girl then my opinion of him would surely change, although I think it would be for the better. What really matters is how we treat other people and the discussions we have. The rest is just fun stuff and there is no formula for showing who we really are. That just comes naturally.
Craig Hack has changed a lot, I think. He was once a dour sort of a guy and a masterful Heroes player (still is!) but anyone can change and I've noticed that he's lightened up a lot and is much more like Zud is now (my favourite!). You still see flashes of his old self, but Craig has shown more of himself than most of us have expected. He's shown to be intelligent and funny and he has the kind of dry wit that I like and enjoy laughing at. I'm sure Mocara can vouch for the identity of Craig, but for people to say that Craig is not Craig is just an insult of the highest kind, I think. Those people don't know him at all.
Hiya Craig!
*smile*
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Have fantasies, will travel...
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posted November 14, 2001 09:19 PM |
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It's me. Not insulted.
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Craig Hack has changed a lot, I think. He was once a dour sort of a guy and a masterful Heroes player (still is!) but anyone can change and I've noticed that he's lightened up a lot and is much more like Zud is now (my favourite!). You still see flashes of his old self, but Craig has shown more of himself than most of us have expected. He's shown to be intelligent and funny and he has the kind of dry wit that I like and enjoy laughing at. I'm sure Mocara can vouch for the identity of Craig, but for people to say that Craig is not Craig is just an insult of the highest kind, I think. Those people don't know him at all.
Hiya Craig!
*smile*
I said somewhere else that when I first came here it was for the Heroes discussions. It was already late in the life of Heroes 3 and Pluvious had shut down Tymeria so I needed a fix. In the beginning, I ONLY read threads with the words "Heroes" "Sex" "Naked" or such in the titles. I had NO intention of staying here and I have never "hung" in chat rooms or boards and collected stars. Arrogantly, I considered myself a "real" Heroes player, always in the top 10 in the Oracle League and Vesuvius' Heroes 2 tourneys. I once had 3 "identites" in the top 10 list at the Oracle League I needed so many games!
I got hooked on "Heroes Encounters" and "Tymeria" tourney formats when Heroes 3 came out and I didnt begin in ToH, probably a mistake. Now I joined ToH but I have difficulty getting a game on the Zone cause I am fairly well known and people laugh at me or are suspicious when I say I am a recruit  Maybe I can start over with Heroes 4!
I initially chose the other avatar because the primary "Crag Hack" was being used by Rogue.
It's still the same CraigHack tho, the difference is, I have grown a little in time!
Now I dont read so many of the "Heroes" threads
But I think I might stay awhile, thats probably the change people have noticed.
Hiya Shae_
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Wyvern
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posted November 15, 2001 10:26 PM |
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So I didn't guess correctly! The truth is none of my three guesses but that CraigHack has just grown...
And now - the promised judgement of Hexa:
Hexa - I haven't seen mistakes, he uses smilies... There was a period whan he ended almost all of his sentences with "@" - a very typical characteristic. He has some interesting ideas...
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Djive
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posted November 16, 2001 02:30 AM |
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RL vs Truth
Creating an alias is not a matter of lying. The alias is a front, and by creating it you've given it an existence. Much in the same way an author brings life to the characters (s)he chooses to write and detail in a book or story.
What the alias says is not necessarily false and not necessarily true either. The alias can be created so it's more truthful or less truthful, or has about the same truthfulness as the RL person. Falsehood and truth is not something that applies to an alias. The alias simply is. What it is, is defined by the creator.
In many cases it's wise idea not to show who you really are until you feel you can trust a group or community as such, and even then silence is sometimes better than speech.
One of the advantages with an alias is that you do not have the same need to react personally to all comments and remarks made by community members. If you're role-playing a character it is an hindrance if you create everything around that character on a personal basis. Because if you create say the character's parents or pet dog after your RL parents and dog, then you may react very violently towards other players if something happens to the characters parents and dog.
An advantage of an alias is that you can avoid some prejudice which people attribute to sex, race, age, nationality and so on and so forth. An alias can be as normal or abnormal as you desire. Unfortunately, prejudice is something people have and no matter how much people say they ignore certain things they still tend to matter. Of course, your best friends will accept you as you are, but not everyone is your best friend.
As for having to remember everything you say. This is not a problem if you create the alias with the same level of truth/falsehood as yourself. You will not encounter the problem of not remembering what you've said more often if you have an alias than if you have not. It's you who have said it anyway. It's all a matter of how good your memory is. Though, you will get a problem if you're RP-ing multiple characters on one board.
I've not made it too difficult for others to find out more about the RL me if they really want to. There are some information in some threads which should give the one who really want to know some clues, and it's certainly sufficient to find my home page and my RL name. In fact, if someone try to find out but fails it's because they've not paid attention or because they're too lazy. (And to those who would go to the trouble and find out, do not post anything on this board about the RL me. If I had that wish I'd post it myself. Right now I'm content with throwing you a tidbit now and then.)
As for finding out the truth behind an alias. Whenever this happens the one who discovers who the person really is will change his or her view of that person, this may work both in a beneficial way or in a negative way. In any case it will not leave the person doing the discovering unchanged. Discovering the truth is not always a pleasant surprise.
The alias is not foremost a mask of self-defence, although it will work that way sometimes. I would like that nobody really cared about all of those things that cause prejudice, but the fact of the matter is that people do care. If people were more likely to look beyond prejudice then things would be different.
Problem is that when your opinion of someone changes, then they way you address that person also changes. To somebody who's 10 you may use unnecessary simple language and be a bit patronizing, to a senior citizen of 80 you'll probably use an entirely other language as well depending on your own perception of that generation. If you don't know, you'll address most as they are of the same generation, race, nationality and sex (unless you know some of these for facts) and according to what your perception is of what they actually write, which is what really matters isn't it?
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Sha_Men
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Jack-Of-No-Trades
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posted November 16, 2001 12:09 PM |
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That is just fine...
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One of the advantages with an alias is that you do not have the same need to react personally to all comments and remarks made by community members.
Problem here is that some people are here truthful to the bone and if we are talking about something else than game, let's say personality, it would be nice to comment someone's real personality and not some cartoon character personality.
As said I'm extremely tired to some boards where people lie what they are all the time and it also allows them mock other persons better as they don't take so much offence from some posts. They are just playing some game.
Shae once said something that still rings in my head:
"This is real people stuff."
Maybe I have thought this board is some kind of virginial zone for things like multiple accounts and playing something different than you are really. I don't mind if people change slightly their personality here and it happens also automatically but I can say that if Oldtimer would really be some teenage girl I would burn my fuses.
So...Those who use this forum as their personal schizophrenial playground...I have two words for them. Rules of this forum however kinda not permitt saying those words. There are other boards in Internet where you can play your little alias games. I have been there and done that. I have said it's fun for some time but then it's just end up being another crying game.
So get that stupid mask from your face and start being human. I don't mind "Casper the friendly ghost" -mask as I think we should be friendly here if we aren't that in reality.
But I still believe in this forum there are more real people than pretenders...
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hexa
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posted November 16, 2001 12:41 PM |
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And now - the promised judgement of Hexa:
Hexa - I haven't seen mistakes, he uses smilies... There was a period whan he ended almost all of his sentences with "@" - a very typical characteristic. He has some interesting ideas...
THATS IT?@
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Famous Hero
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posted November 16, 2001 01:35 PM |
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Hey, Hexa, at least you got something!
*sigh* guess I'll just have to wait for my third star...
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hexa
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Legendary Hero
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posted November 16, 2001 01:47 PM |
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It only states that Im flawless and that I've got interesting idea's
...I already knew I was perfect so this ain't news for me!@
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Shae_Trielle
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Famous Hero
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posted November 16, 2001 03:59 PM |
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From judging people to JUDGING people!
LOL! Aliases? I wonder why they're so prevalent in internet discussions? I guess I don't need to wonder because the problem with the internet is the disgusting and tiring perception that girls are guys and guys are old men. That logic therefore tends to lean towards everybody being 40+ which is ridiculous!
I hate it when a guys asks me if I'm male. What the hell am I supposed to say to something like that? And why can't I ask if you're really a guy or if you're a girl pretending to be a guy?! Is the internet such a domain of the male intelligence that people consider a girl to be so out of sync that she has to be a he? (follow me yet? lol!) Sexism is abhorrent on the net and sometimes it's sickening. Everyone has such a forceful focus on 'what sex are you?'
The sad thing is, people don't tend to take anyone at face value, especially if you're a girl. Usually I like to shrug stuff like that off, saying that it's got nothing to do with me if they believe my sex or not. And the ones that do believe me often say 'oh yes, Shae, you can't be a guy because you act like a girl.'
Ahem... how the hell does a girl 'act' like on the internet these days?!
I've met two people from the net and plenty more I know from before my internet useage. And so far, I've only come across one geniune case of misrepresentation by a ToH player who claimed he was a girl until I found out his secret. Needless to say that was the funniest night of my ToH life and I completely freaked him out. Never seen him again.
Aliases never hold up for long. It's impossible to pretend to be someone else, it's just far easier to be who you are in real life and allow yourself and your beliefs to do all the thinking and replying for you. Faking who you are is as transparent as GladWrap and it won't get you anywhere except a whole lot of disrespect. I tried being a guy once and I struggled so much that they ended up saying I was gay!
If you have reason to be someone who you're not, or to roleplay an internet character, then you're not real and you're not really worth talking to because chances are, you're full of crap and not to be believed or trusted anyways.
Anyone can pretend to be someone else. On a surface level at least. And like Milena says, eventually your deeds will betray your lies.
*smile*
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Sha_Men
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Supreme Hero
Jack-Of-No-Trades
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posted November 16, 2001 04:40 PM |
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Not really true...
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Aliases never hold up for long.
You can hold alias as long as you want if you are good actor. I myself could maybe play girl in Internet (not in reallife though, LOL, or who knows?, never tried. LOL)
Of course people get tired playing different role than they really are...but fear of "getting caught" is exciting...Just ask Milena I believe she knows these kinds of things...
Wouldn't it be funny if those online wedding would be stopped when Milena would say really being 40+ old guy from Bulgaria? (No offence here)
Just think of it...it could happen...Internet is place of possibilities.
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Shae_Trielle
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Famous Hero
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posted November 16, 2001 04:53 PM |
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Maybe here you could do it. But to keep it up and get close to people and exchange IM's with people, you'd have to be an Academy Award winner to keep up a character for so long and so flawlessly.
The thing is is personality is the ultimate decider. You cannot hide who you are when you post about things which strike a chord in you, male or female. And if you're pretending, then eventually, your personality will prove your alias to be a lie.
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Sha_Men
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Jack-Of-No-Trades
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posted November 16, 2001 05:01 PM |
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Hmm..
Some people don't take this place like that. This is just another board for them. To pretend to be someone else...
I have been cheated so many times with alias it doesn't really strike me neither does things that people say to me.
Changing few IM's and Emails isn't really hard. It's just how much effort you want to put into it and does people make perceptions about someone's messages.
And BTW many of the academy awards winners aren't even good actors. They just show their face and play themselves. If people like them they get those awards...Some really good actors never get awards. Why? Because their face doesn't shine into the camera.
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Djive
Honorable
Supreme Hero
Zapper of Toads
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posted November 16, 2001 08:01 PM |
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So what are you really saying?
Do you believe anyone look upon posts and say something like this:
"This post is made by Sha_Men, the Genie, Jack of all Trades. Sha_Men must be a blue-faced genie which is good at a bit of everything. Oh and Genies can fly and grant wishes so the RL Sha_Men must be able to do that too. This post is made by Shae_Trielle, the Drow. She's green and drows are evil, so the RL Shae_Trielle must be too. This post is made by Djive a Gnoll Witch, Zapper of Toads, so the RL person must be a wicked witch who turn people into toads!"
Truth to be told I don't really think you do, so why are you really arguing so vehemently for removing aliases?
The consequences of what you say is that you can't really stand people who decide to role-play an alias in the way I mentioned above. Do you honestly believe that anyone belives that the RL me is a witch who can turn people into toads? Isn't it obvious that the picture/alias is a creation of mine that you really don't need to give the idea a second thought at all?
Isn't the RPGing in threads like Hexa's Quests (and the like) so obvious that you don't really need to consider the possibility that the involved characters are not the RL persons? Or do you believe that RL Lith can cast Teleport spells, RL Milena is a sorceress, RL Preserver is an expert scout, and that RL DonGio must be a minotaur of the clear water mountain clan?
Instead of stomping onto other people's ideas and creations (and thus on them), you should perhaps give a second thought on which part of having/role-playing an alias you really dislike instead of drawing the full idea of RPing and aliases through the mud. (Sorry but this is the way I read your posts.)
Ask: Why does it really matter to you if Oldtimer is a 13-year-old girl? The only event which would make it matter is if Oldtimer has told you something else, that is has lied about the RL self. That would be a dishonest thing to do. However, if Oldtimer hasn't confided sex or age to you, you would have no reason to be upset at all. If Oldtimer turned out to be a 13-year-old girl, I'd merely allow myself a smile and tumble round the floor laughing.
You say that you expect people to tell you the truth about themselves. But then when they've told the truth you're more or less promising to act in a prejudiced way towards them! (Or why else blow your top if Oldtimer turns out to be a 13-year-old girl, why else dismiss somebody who tries to RP an alias?) You will have to promise the opposite. You will have to promise that you'll judge their words for what they really are, and look beyond any personal prejudice you might have for that person. In short you'll have to act as a friend. Only then can you expect people to tell you the truth.
And do you really need to know my RL sex to give me a compliment? *looking shocked*
If you ask me it looks like you dislike dishonesty and lies, and I can't see why you must drag aliases into the discussion at all.
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Sha_Men
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posted November 16, 2001 10:28 PM |
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Are you approving your own actions here, Djive?
Would really like to know that...
I thing is best that people are using one account and no other. If person wants to change it, he should be very open about it.
I disapprove lying about your RL self here.
Through alias you can lie and decept people. And I personally don't like that. It's fun for a while but as said I think it's not very friendly.
As said I have done that in other boards few years back...but I would like that people could come here as they are. I don't mind slight chance but directly lying about something is definately no-no thing.
Of course you can do little roleplaying with one account and one character as long as you don't lie...
But really...same for me. Everybody can do as they like.
What I have noticed that when people start pretending and using aliases to "play games"...then the trust between people is gone.
Forever.
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Lord_Woock
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Daddy Cool with a $90 smile
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posted November 16, 2001 10:49 PM |
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Somebody here mentioned, that I probably never played HoMM3 and that's why I hate it. That's not true. I Prefer HoMM2 over 3 because of the creature transfering and deleting creatures in HoMM3. Can anybody give me a reason why the griffin traveled from the warlock to the knight and the roc - from the wizard to the barbarian? And don't tell me that it was because otherwise they wouldn't have any flying creatures. In HoMM1 and 2 nobody complained about the lack of fliers at knight's and barbarian's. Besides, knights still have angels. In HoMM2, the strength of these two guys was that their creatures were cheap and had a big grow rate. And now you can use the same tactics for almost all towns. Things were a lo different back in 2.
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My buddy's doing a webcomic and would certainly appreciate it if you checked it out!
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Wyvern
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posted November 16, 2001 11:08 PM |
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So, Djive, you didn't take my judgement as a compliment? I thought I have praised you.
And you talk about the fact that we are not our avatars? There is something else - most of us aren't the username, either. Are you really Djive? And so there are three lies:
1-the avatar is not you
2-the username is not you
3-the avatar is not the username (is your username Merist? Is my username Korbac?)
But these three lies are too obvious and shouldn't be treated as such because their purpose is exactly not to put your own picture and not use your real name (here are some exceptions, for example Milena).
So we are talking about a different kind of lies - if you say things that are not true, you know that they are not true and you use them seriously and not as jokes.
Since I am detective, I try to collect information about other members (I'm not a real detective, of course! I mean that I try to gain information and think logically) And if someone lied, I would have wrong information. But as I said, you can't always tell lies so I will have a bit of true information as well. And if I ever learn in some way that the person has lied, I will know that he sometimes lies! Actually, everything can help you to learn something about someone's personality.
Hey, maybe you are playing the Zapper of Toads but when you comment something in most cases you do that as yourself - it is very difficult to make up what can your created image say in the situation that is different from your opinion. So we may see the Zapper of Toads but we read YOUR thoughts, not the thoughts of the Zapper of Toads (isn't there a rhyme?)
And everyone learns something about other people's personality. You may not care and even not be interested at all in other members but when reading you will notice what does the member say. However careless you are, if you have enough chances to read someone's posts, you will remember something about them and this way you will unconsciously have an opinion of their personality.
How to summarize this? You may not have the absolute alias - even if you lie, people will learn something about YOU.
And, Djive, I won't ask you if YOU (not the Zapper of Toads) are he or she. I may learn that from somewhere else if I try... I claim to be a detective after all!
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Djive
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Zapper of Toads
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posted November 16, 2001 11:14 PM |
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You could very well say that I'm defending my own behaviour here, but then again I'm unsure of what your intention with your posts are.
I'm wondering who are you're trying to start a crusade against? (I can't say I've noticed people being dishonest.)
Am I going to see suggestions that members will be required to substitute their Avatars for RL photograps (at 50 posts)?
Are you going to suggest that all persons must have a working E-mail address?
Are going to suggest that members must use their RL name as alias?
Are you going to suggest that all members must send in their biography on the biography thread?
Or are you simply shhoting in the dark and see who you hit?
We don't have different opinions on dishonesty and lies. They're not tolerated in any case. The human can't hide behind the alias/avatar for lies.
On the other hand, to me it's a perfectly acceptable choice for any member to say nothing about their real status (age, sex, gender, nationality) in RL. Many members role-play the form of their chosen Avatar, and I don't see anything wrong with that. I'm doing it myself too.
Edited to comment on Wyvern's post:
Your assessment was paifully true Wyvern. I do write long posts and often give people criticism for what they write.
The problem is that long posts and criticism are not always appreciated things.
I agree that you can learn part of the RL personality by doing the kind of observations you say. However, to do those judgements/observations you have to first scale away the personality of the alias which I've called Djive, Gnoll Witch, Zapper of Toads. This is, however, the observers responsibility. I'm not to blame if you make the wrong conclusions.
That said if I say something about my RL self I'll stick to the truth, but you shouldn't expect me to say very much or very often.
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"A brilliant light can either illuminate or blind. How will you know which until you open your eyes?"
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Zud
Promising
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box worshipper
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posted November 16, 2001 11:17 PM |
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I dunno what u guys are talking about
My RL name is zud, I look exactly like my avatar and I am just like this in real life so there
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Oldtimer
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Supreme Hero
Please leave a message after..
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posted November 17, 2001 01:16 AM |
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I'm not a 13 year old girl!
I'm Not! I'm Not! I'm Not! I'm Not!
Did anyone see the new fashions for this christmas? There to die for!
Justin Timberlake is Sooooo Cute! That Britney is so lucky, I bet if he met me he'd drop her in a second.
Ahem, how'd you guys find out? I thought I was so clever.
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"Zzzz...Zzzz...Zzzz..."
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hexa
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Legendary Hero
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posted November 17, 2001 10:34 AM |
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I'm going with Zud and Oldtimer on this one...
the rest of ya is really loosing it!
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