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The_Blue_Camel
Adventuring Hero
Bearer of the Mighty Camelnor
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posted November 06, 2001 04:15 AM |
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New Creature List
OK, i have completed my new and revised creature list, and here it is.
(to Unka: this isnt an advertisement for my site, its just here because i wanna discuss the topic but it is a pain to hafta copy and paste my creature predictions every time an argument comes up.)
geocities.com/theblue_camel/creatures
(though the blue camel wouldnt mind you checking out the rest of his small, meager site... *gives you a sad look*)
Anyways, what do you think? do you agree with me or not? and if not, where do you disagree?
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UnkaHaakon
Responsible
Famous Hero
happily tilting at windmills
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posted November 06, 2001 09:58 AM |
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Let me be the first .....
No problem with posting the link here. As some of you may have noticed, as long as it's generally related to discussions of Heroes 4 (or for that matter HOMM 5  ) or to matters directly relating to this forum, I'm pretty easy about what gets posted here.
Having said that, I'm pretty much in agreement with your list, except that I tend to favor a slightly different lineup in the Necropolis. I feel the skeletons will be neutrals, created as a result of necromancy, and I put the cereberi in the other level 2 slot, just for the sake of balancing the mix of Infernal/Undead, with the mummy as a neutral.
I'm still pretty much ambivalent about whether the harpies or the beholders fill the other level 2 slot in the Stronghold. Neither really seems to fit in, meaning each is as likely as the other.
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Timur_the_Lame
Tavern Dweller
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posted November 06, 2001 08:29 PM |
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I WANT TO HAVE MY OWN SITE: I Like Your Site Blue Camel. I have 2 suggestions; change the text on your Neutrals page so I can read the names without highlighting them, and when your listing the 2 different creatures for each level always put the walker on the top, I don’t know why it matters to me, it just does.
MAPS & WINAMP PROBLEM: I wish I could download some of those maps you have, but my computer thinks they are all winamp files, and my computer tries to play them as music on winamp when I try to open them. I right click on them to check out there properties before I download them and it says, “Type winamp,” anyone know how to fix this?
NOMADS: I didn't see the Nomad on your Neutral list, I remember you said Nomads where confirmed as part of the Stronghold line up on the thread "will we see NEW CREATURES?" where did you get that info? and what happened to that idea Blue Camel?
TROLLS: You have this creature in both the Neural list and the Stronghold list Blue Camel, not a big deal. But everyone thinks Trolls have 180 hit points because of that one combat shot. Just because there is a 1 above the Troll and it received 180 + 1 damage doesn’t mean the troll has 180 hit points. There is a skull indicating that 1 OR MORE Trolls died, and the 1 could be the number of Trolls left over after the attack. I think the Trolls have 90, 60, or 45 hit points since they are probably a level 2 creatures, and probably have regeneration.
ELEMENTALS: I have heard people say that all the creatures are know except 3, and that there is no room for elementals, but on the web site http://www.heroes4.org/creatures.php
it shows all 66 creatures, including the elementals, and doesn’t leave out any creatures as far as I can tell, so I do NOT think there are any creatures we don’t know about.
TOWNS: The Academy, Asylum, Haven, and Preserve all look the same on every line up I see, except some people put the white tiger in the Stronghold. I wish the white tiger were there, first strike rules!!! But the striped building and green eyes match the tiger to well in the Preserve.
NECROPOLIS: Everyone is in agreement about the level 3 and 4 creatures, and the Imp being the level 1 flyer, and the Ghost being the level 2 flyer, but the other level 1 and level 2 creature are controversial. I agree with the Celestial Heavens line up with level 1 Zombie’s, level 2 Cerberuses, Skeletons obtained through Necromancy, and the Mummy’s a Neutral level 2 I guess? Why did you think the Skeleton is a level 1, and why do you not think the Cerberus is a possible level 2 Blue Camel?
STRONGHOLD: 3do must be really trying to keep this town secret because I can barley find anything about this place. Everyone agrees about the level 1, 3, and 4 creatures, almost. Most likely the Troll is the level 2 walker, and the second level 2 creature could be any of the creatures left over that is not used in another town, not summonable, and not found only on water. The Harpy, Gargoyle, Beholder, Nomad, Troglodyte, Ice Demon or even the Peasant fits this description, but most likely its not a walker, so that narrows it down to the Harpy, Gargoyle, and Beholder. Every screen shot I have seen of a Beholder, it is in a Asylum party, so I don’t think it’s going to be a Beholder. I have not seen any Harpy’s, or Gargoyles. I agree with your guess Blue Camel that it is the Harpy.
First time I posted, so I had a lot to say I hope I didn't tell you a hole bunch of stuff you already knew.
I was wondering where everyone gets there information from.
These are the sites I use:
A) Best Pictures:
http://heroes.wr.pl/index.php?goto=galeria_homm4
B) Interview: http://gamespot.com/gamespot/filters/products/timelines/0,14209,470764,00.html
C) Best Links:
http://www.toheroes.com/links/links.html
1) http://strategyplanet.com/homm/
2) http://www.hmm4.com/ //Site screws up my screen
3) http://www.heroes4.org/
66 Creatures: http://www.heroes4.org/creatures.php
4) http://www.h3trio.com/nonjavamenu/nonjavamainpage.htm
http://www.mmportals.com/heroes4.html
5) http://www.3do.com/mightandmagic/heroes4/
Forums: http://www.forumplanet.com/StrategyPlanet/homm/index.asp
http://boards.gamers.com/messages/overview.asp?name=hmm4
D) http://www.bestsitez.com/aoh/heroes4/
BEST FORUM: http://www.bestsitez.com/heroescommunity/forumdisplay.php3?FID=5
BEST POST: http://www.bestsitez.com/heroescommunity/viewthread.php3?FID=5&TID=1492
E) http://gamepen.ugo.com/gamepen/review.asp?itemid=3854
Postponed info:
http://gamepen.ugo.com/gamepen/fullnews.asp?newsid=5366
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Djive
Honorable
Supreme Hero
Zapper of Toads
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posted November 06, 2001 09:09 PM |
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NOMADS: See this thread for the interview and screenshot.
TROLLS: See the
Heroes 4 Beta!!! thread for more on the this discussion. The number by the skull = # of creatures that perished. The number by the broken heart = # damage inflicted. Just look at the Orc stacks. What's happening is almost certainly the first things that happens in the combat, so all creatures would be at full health. I doubt it's the number of Trolls left.
"Just because there is a 1 above the Troll and it received 180 + 1 damage doesn’t mean the troll has 180 hit points."
-- Compare to the Orc stacks and what happens to them. The conlusion must more or less be that Trolls have 180 hp and Orcs have 12 hp. It's not just what happens to the Trolls, it's more what happens to the Orcs that lets us draw conclusions.
"There is a skull indicating that 1 OR MORE Trolls died, and the 1 could be the number of Trolls left over after the attack."
-- If the indication is for 1 OR MORE Trolls, then the indication would be of no use to the player. Why not assume a user friendly information and say it's the # of Trolls perished (which is the way it works for the Orcs)
-- If you want to debate the image further, please reply to the Heroes 4 Beta!!!! Thread.
ELEMENTALS: I believe and hope they're gone. There's no use for them any more.
STRONGHOLD: Nomad is one of the level 2. See the Screenshot.
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Preserver
Promising
Famous Hero
Elemental Druid
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posted November 06, 2001 09:24 PM |
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It's a good list of links you have there Timur. I myself, have visited almost all those sites one time each, and are checking in on heroes4.org, hmm4.com frequently. This board is also a great source of information and ideas. Celestial Heavens Unleashed is also one of the best Heroes sites, and if you didn't knew, I'm the one who's making the new town pages together with Angelspit (admin of CHU). So I'm glad you agree with some of the line-ups there. If you have any other ideas, or you think something is wrong, just tell me and we could discuss it.
I'm sure Blue_Camel know my thoughts about the line-ups, as only now the Stronghold page is not finished on CHU. I like your site too, but I want to know if it's only on my computer the towns line-ups are overwriting eachother? It's a little confusing and hard to get a general view. Also, you made the gargoyle green on the neutral list, meaning it should be hireable by Preserve heroes. What does the gargoyle have in common with the Preserve alignment?
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Timur_the_Lame
Tavern Dweller
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posted November 06, 2001 11:20 PM |
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Thank you for correcting all my assumptions Djive. I understand now what the numbers mean when a creature takes damage, and that the Troll has 180hp!
I agree that the Elementals have little use, but isn't there 62 known creatures, and 4 unknown creatures, so elementals could still be in the game right? I just want to know if there are any other creatures that could be part of the Stronghold that we haven't seen.
That Screen shot and interview is interesting. But I still am not convinced Nomads are in the Stronghold. They could have just been hired as a group like they used to be in H2&3, and I don't see any buildings where a Nomad would live on the Stronghold screenshot.
Hey Preserver, good job on the Celestial Heavens Unleashed site, that is my favorite site, besides this Forum. I will tell you if I think anything is wrong with it.
On Blue Camels site I get error messages sometimes when I open it up or click on something, but the town line-ups don't overwrite each other.
How do I make the web addresses underlined and blue so people can just click on them? They always turn black when I write a message on here.
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Preserver
Promising
Famous Hero
Elemental Druid
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posted November 06, 2001 11:33 PM |
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You make the BB-code:
{url}www.heroescommunity.com{/url}
or
{url=http://www.heroescommunity.com}Heroes Community{/url}
Replace all the {} with [] though...
BTW: Nomads are in Stronghold. They are present in the creature growth box, and their dwelling is the level 2 tents. So what's missing is the other level 2...
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Djive
Honorable
Supreme Hero
Zapper of Toads
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posted November 06, 2001 11:39 PM |
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Edited By: Djive on 6 Nov 2001
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"I agree that the Elementals have little use, but isn't there 62 known creatures, and 4 unknown creatures, so elementals could still be in the game right?"
Yes, but I would rather have creatures like Wyverns, Liches, Pegasi and so on. Wouldn't hurt with some more new creatures as well.
"That Screen shot and interview is interesting. But I still am not convinced Nomads are in the Stronghold"
If you look at the screenshot again, you'll notice the Nomad's icon in two places. First it's selected/highlighted in the Garrison and we can see it's name and stats. However, the proof that Nomads are level 2 in Stronghold is the second Nomad icon to the left of the "garrison" troops. (These icons are used to represent the creatures which can be recruited in the town.)
About the links, read the FAQ/RULES section. The available codes are towards the end.
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The_Baal
Hired Hero
The God Of Fire
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posted November 07, 2001 02:19 AM |
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I agree and disagree with you Djive. It is possible that the elements still exist because there are 4 unknown creatures but I disagree about having them out of the game, even if they are a bit like Pokemon.
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The_Blue_Camel
Adventuring Hero
Bearer of the Mighty Camelnor
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posted November 07, 2001 03:55 AM |
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lots of questions i must answer!
ok, ill just answer them as they are listed.
1. i dont think cerberus will be necro just because i dont think 3DO would leave both the zombie and the mummy out of the necropolis... it just doesnt seem right.
2. the winamp problem... do you mean "winzip" when you say winamp??? because the maps come in zipped files...
3. trolls! i coulda sworn i took them off stronghold... musta forgotten to... you see i made this list quite a while ago, so i mustve simply forgotten to take them off like i meant to. sorry. my REAL stronghold L2's are harpy and nomad. and of course, since i just made the neutral page, i put trolls in there because i already knew of them being neutral. so that explains that.
4. Preserver: "Also, you made the gargoyle green on the neutral list, meaning it should be hireable by Preserve heroes. What does the gargoyle have in common with the Preserve alignment? "
SORRY, i mustve mis-highlighted when i did it. i had no intention of having the gargoyle as a preserve ally, lol.
5. Preserver: "I like your site too, but I want to know if it's only on my computer the towns line-ups are overwriting eachother? "
What do you mean?? are you using a weird browser?
6. Timur: "On Blue Camels site I get error messages sometimes when I open it up or click on something, but the town line-ups don't overwrite each other. "
Well, thats what ya get when ya go thrifty and get a free site, lol.
BTW: ive been meaning to ask this: what is the best FREE website host? because geocities i dont like too much...
Anyways, im glad that i posted this here, because many of you have spotted mistakes that i might not have...
I plan to fix them soon.
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Lith-Maethor
Honorable
Legendary Hero
paid in Coin and Cleavage
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posted November 07, 2001 04:01 AM |
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on question number two...
either winzip or winamp have mixed the file associations... a simple [right click+shift, open with, always open checked and heroes map editor selected] would do the trick...
just my 2 (I hate WinDO$) cents...
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Timur_the_Lame
Tavern Dweller
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posted November 07, 2001 10:16 AM |
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Thanks for the suggestion Lith, it didn't work but it gave me an idea. I adding the .H3M extension to the file name so it is brokenalliances_bb.H3M, and that worked
but I still can't play the maps because I don't have the (Heroes III: Armageddon's Blade) expansion pack, and I can't play H3 period because I deleted it off my computer so I would get some homework done instead of playing online all night long, but I still don't get my homework done, I just look up information about heroes 4. Maybe I can download Wolfenstein 3D on gamespot, by just adding the .exe extenstion... maybe this time it wont be another winamp Wolfenstein 3D file.
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